Ultimate Stack To Deal With Finasteride Side Effects

[Athlete1987]

Just to add, a cheaper option to cabaser that may well meet all your targets is bromocriptine. Think of it as a cruder form of cabaser but it’s better for appetite control IMO and at least as good for combating gyno.

IME it’s also superior to cabaser for body composition/weight loss. Check what I wrote about it earlier in the thread. A combo of clen and t3 for 2 weeks followed by 2.5-5mg max of Bromo will keep you lean pretty much as long as you can be bothered and it will still help with libido etc but it’s not the most comfortable drug to be on. Read over what I wrote at the start for sure.

 

[RonRon7775]

Hey Athlete, I have ordered my Alchemy from Predator Nutrition. They sent me shipping and tracking information but that tracking info is not giving me any update at all. Is Predator Nutrition a reliable website in your opinion?

 

[jamesbooker1975]

This is a recurring issue I’ve noticed so thought some people might benefit from this post.

Sex Drive - For me the biggest downside of a hairloss prevention regime is the negative effects on both libido and sexual performance.

This is likely related to two aspects, the reduction in DHT levels, a potent male androgen which plays a crucial role in libido as well as other masculine traits.

Strength/Body Composition - While not too useful for anabolism compared to other androgens, DHT also helps strength and by reducing it with finasteride or dutasteride you’re going to be putting yourself at a disadvantage when it comes to improving body composition and strength (dht is also great for cutting you up).

The second aspect linked to sex drive decline is a possible negative effect on dopamine levels. I’m not sure on how finasteride effects this but IME dopamine is more crucial than testosterone levels and DHT levels in the maintenance of a high libido.

Gyno/Estrogen Increases - Using finasteride increases estrogen. While positive for skin tone and texture this is bad on multiple levels leading users to become more likely to get fat and, worse, be prone to man boobs.

Focus/CNS Efficiency - A common complaint is users feel less focused and some will get brain fog on finasteride. This is likely due to lower levels of DHT.

Options to fix issues caused by Finasteride

Now I come to some solutions that you may consider.

ED Drugs - v****, Cialis etc will help with improving sexual performance but they are very much mechanical drugs, they won’t do anything to improve libido or address other aspects of finasteride mediated dysfunction.

Libido Enhancers - While it might be nice to use something like testosterone, this is obviously contraindicated if you are tackling hair loss. Unfortunately any steroid which increases libido is likely to have a harsh effect on hairlines so we need a different solution.

The Natural Option for Libido - Use an AI based around suppressing estrogen, I like this product a lot:

https://www.predatornutrition.com/estrogen-blockers/hydrapharm/alchemy.html

The key ingredient here is a highly potent flavan which suppresses estrogen and produces a rise in testosterone. I was sceptical but this works well and user feedback seems to back this up as a consistent effect. There is also a product called Virtus with the same ingredient but it’s a liquid product so not ideal IMO.

I wouldn’t bother with traditional testosterone boosters like Maca, longjack etc as they aren’t as potent and also wont help suppress estrogen which we want when using finasteride.

To recap: Alchemy or similar can lower estrogen, increase testosterone and help lower risk of gyno. The above should have a positive effect on libido as well.

The Stronger Options for Libido - I’ve not discussed dopamine yet and unfortunately no AI or test booster will help here.

What I’ve found works, and can not only restore libido but increase it higher than ever is the use of a dopaminergic such as Cabaser or Parlodel. I’d favour the former as the latter can cause some unwanted transient nausea likely linked to lowering blood glucose.

These two drugs came to my attention when I was looking to cut up for a football season and get to sub-6% bf (played rush linebacker spot in college).

When you diet your body fights you every step of the way by increasing cortisol, lowering test levels, GH levels etc and the way these drugs work is they effectively act as a leptin mimetic and trick your body into keeping hormones at an optimised level (IOW, fools your body into thinking you’re not as lean as you are and so doesn’t cause hormones to crash when dieting).

For our purposes though, where these drugs really shine is their ability to massively increase libido, and reduce refraction rate AND enhance sexual enjoyment hugely. IOW, you’ll want more sex more often, will be able to c*m more than once and enjoy it more all at the same time.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/1949087.stm

As a bonus, both of these drugs can also help combat gyno caused by prolactin.

https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=825325

From my experience using these, I had some gyno at the time and it definitely helped reduce it while also having the other benefits I’ve described.

Even more estrogen control - If you’re not taking a natural AI like alchemy then you could consider a drug like aromasin which i think is superior to other drug AI’s with less side effects.

Combating Mental Fog - This is the last major side effect to deal with. There are a ton of options with stimulants but personally I’d avoid these and instead elect to use a nootropic.

From experimenting with different ones i think the best options are a drug called selegiline or a supplement called 9-MBC. Both of these will elevate dopamine which means as well as improving focus you will also see a rise in dopamine levels. Here is an example of some feedback on the latter:

http://www.longecity.org/forum/topic/98742-libido-too-high-on-9-mbc/#entry836716

So, there you have it. This is how I think the side effects of finasteride can be dealt with and this is something I’d suggest anyone worried about finasteride consider rather than ditching the finasteride entirely.

Prolactin don't cause gyno , estrogen do .

 

[SteveTabernack]

When I tried finasteride I had improved sexual function for the first 4-5 weeks then crashed below baseline. Seen many report similar experience.

What is it that causes this initial boost that then vanishes?

 

[kashmoney]

When I tried finasteride I had improved sexual function for the first 4-5 weeks then crashed below baseline. Seen many report similar experience.

What is it that causes this initial boost that then vanishes?

I believe it's the massive surge in testosterone you get when first beginning finasteride which offsets the loss of dht initially. However once your body adjusts, the increase in test isn't enough to offset the loss of dht and that's when libido takes a hit. My first week of taking finasteride my libido was jacked but by the second week it crashed. I've found I can take 1mg finasteride EOD and somewhat maintain a decent amount of libido but it most certainly is lower than pre finasteride which I'm hoping the cabaser can fix

 

[SteveTabernack]

I believe it's the massive surge in testosterone you get when first beginning finasteride which offsets the loss of dht initially. However once your body adjusts, the increase in test isn't enough to offset the loss of dht and that's when libido takes a hit. My first week of taking finasteride my libido was jacked but by the second week it crashed. I've found I can take 1mg finasteride EOD and somewhat maintain a decent amount of libido but it most certainly is lower than pre finasteride which I'm hoping the cabaser can fix

Is the initial boost in testosterone higher than the elevated levels you end up with (+15 % I think)?

I'm mostly concerned with the weak erections and that orgasms became sh*t on finasteride. Libido hasn't really been high since I tried RU anyway, but as long as I'm good in the presence of a senorita then I'm okay with it..

 

[Athlete1987]

Prolactin don't cause gyno , estrogen do .

How then does trenbolone etc cause gyno as it doesn’t convert to estrogen?

To be precise, progesterone mediated gyno is an issue that can catch many out who think it’s only about estrogen.

 

[jamesbooker1975]

How then does trenbolone etc cause gyno as it doesn’t convert to estrogen?

To be precise, progesterone mediated gyno is an issue that can catch many out who think it’s only about estrogen.

Again, only estrogen cause gyno. No estrogen mean no gyno .
Prolactin only cause galactorrhea

 

[sito]

offtopic - because i want to order some stuff from evopharmacy and I saw that there is a discount if someone refers evopharmacy to a friend, anybody who wants to send me an invitation to evopharmacy, send me a pm and i give you my email address. The first to send a pm, will "win".

You need to have already ordered from evopharmacy to be able to recieve the discount

 

[kashmoney]

Just received my cabaser in the mail today from evopharmacy. The bottle was much smaller than I was expecting but it looks legit so I can't complain. Took my first 0.5mg dose today. Lets see what happens in the following weeks

 

[Endmymisery]

@Athlete1987 since you seem quite knowledgeable what's your opinion on jelqing to improve erection quality and perhaps the size?

Also another question , in order to have more free t roaming the body, shbg should be inhibited as well right? What are your thoughts on that?

 

[Procar_2017]

Been awhile since I've been on the fotum.. things were going great but then I lost track of my Cabaser cycle (maybe took it every 5 days vs 3).. so starting again and sticking to schedule. Perhaps in my mind but wasn't as horny as before... athlete.. I'm hoping doing the 3 day cycle will get me going again or does the libido sort of level out after awhile anyway (I remember you said to cycle off after awhile)?.. wrote this on Thursday



It's now Saturday.. I made sure I got back on schedule.. Cabasar really does help..geez.. came so quick this morning and refraction period was like 1/2 (hell, I'm usually one and done these days so...).. damn, between this and ED pills, it's a miracle!!

Can't thank you enough!!

 

[Athlete1987]

Again, only estrogen cause gyno. No estrogen mean no gyno .
Prolactin only cause galactorrhea

Helps explain it https://thinksteroids.com/articles/prolactin-induced-gynecomastia-pramipexole-steroid-cycles/

 

[Athlete1987]

@Athlete1987 since you seem quite knowledgeable what's your opinion on jelqing to improve erection quality and perhaps the size?

Also another question , in order to have more free t roaming the body, shbg should be inhibited as well right? What are your thoughts on that?

Jelqing isn’t something I’ve even heard of tbh.

What you say about free testosterone levels is too. Something like divanil can help in that regard.

 

[Athlete1987]

Been awhile since I've been on the fotum.. things were going great but then I lost track of my Cabaser cycle (maybe took it every 5 days vs 3).. so starting again and sticking to schedule. Perhaps in my mind but wasn't as horny as before... athlete.. I'm hoping doing the 3 day cycle will get me going again or does the libido sort of level out after awhile anyway (I remember you said to cycle off after awhile)?.. wrote this on Thursday



It's now Saturday.. I made sure I got back on schedule.. Cabasar really does help..geez.. came so quick this morning and refraction period was like 1/2 (hell, I'm usually one and done these days so...).. damn, between this and ED pills, it's a miracle!!

Can't thank you enough!!

From experience it doesn’t level off, no.

However, if you do reduce the gap between doses then it will escalate libido (be careful you don’t escalate libido too much as that’s no fun either IMO unless you’re a gigolo or p**rn star).

 

[catch21]

Alright, I just took my first dose of .5 cabaser, anyone have a good reference for when one might notice any changes? And perhaps what changes to expect at that dose? Will take twice a week, thanks again for the help up to this point!

 

[bluecyclone]

I have been taking .25 3 times a week for 3 weeks. Cutting up the 2 mg generic from evo pharmacy. I’m not noticing any changes yet.

I started alchemy today as well. Not using Finasteride yet only RU. Trying to get a sense of tolerance.

Can the stack without Finasteride do harm to hair by lowering estrogen?

 

[kashmoney]

Also wondering when I will start noticing changes from the cabaser. I got the brand name 2mg from EvoPharmacy and cut it into four pieces. Took two last week and took my third one today and haven't noticed anything yet.

 

[catch21]

I have been taking .25 3 times a week for 3 weeks. Cutting up the 2 mg generic from evo pharmacy. I’m not noticing any changes yet.

I started alchemy today as well. Not using Finasteride yet only RU. Trying to get a sense of tolerance.

Can the stack without Finasteride do harm to hair by lowering estrogen?

Were you the one who wasn't having an issue with libido in the first place or was that someone else? I imagine most of us are doing it due to having libido and ED issues.

 

[bluecyclone]

I noticed a change and slight gyno about a month into RU. Starting to panic as the hair fall has not slowed down and most likely will need to try Finasteride in the next few weeks.