Exploring The Hormonal Route. Hair=life.

[Ticken]

Posted elsewhere so whatever here u go..
update: i am extremely happy with my results and I have never been happier!! Life is amazing with amazing hair like this!!

Wow!! May I ask, How long did it take to go from far left photo to far right photo?
Do you test and would you mind sharing what blood serum estradiol levels you have been reaching with your protocol?

 

[BRezende]

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Posted elsewhere so whatever here u go..

https://imgur.com/a/mFPkevK

update: i am extremely happy with my results and I have never been happier!! Life is amazing with amazing hair like

How long are you on HRT?

 

[Almas_NW0]

The best results seems to get by E2V injections

The key is to achieve the right level of hormones. How you did it is secondary. But injections are easier to achieve the desired levels.

 

[keepcoolmybabies]

her pre-hrt hairline was already better than
my current one lmao

anyways im off this site again. Just because you’d be happy with my hair doesn’t mean I have to be. Its sh*t. Its a mans hairline and not even a good one.

Your overall hair quality looks good and seems like you made tremendous strides in density. Lot of trans women end up getting hair transplants to round the corners, so if you aren't ultimately satisfied with your hairline from hrt alone then that's at least an option still

 

[losingbattle88]

My thinning is generally diffuse but I got some temple gains on my worse side, which at this point could be oral min.dutasteride and bica 72days,55 days om.
(Red dot is my scar, reference point)
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Also lowered bica to 50mg ED, since 75mg+ is overkill for hairloss in my opinion in combination with dutasteride.

I seen similar temple regrowth with just oral min.

 

[losingbattle88]

Approximately same length 2 year difference

Same length my ***.

 

[Gergely]

Same length my ***.

Fine i'll stop posting, this place is dead anyways. bye

 

[KNemo]

And wanted to say you look like regular tiktok cute/fem guy not trans girl. So you might “detransition” and be a guy instead with good hairline instead of chasing unachievable goals. Im just being honest here since you will not get that honesty on trans forums where every other word is sis/girl/baby/beautiful/cute, basically overcompensating for their true nature, being a man underneath that facade. Not against trans people but you once said you want to be either a man or women and not inbetween. Since you are on more masculine side atleast be what general society accepts as normal. Dont make your life more difficult than it is.

Not every trans forum is like that, my demasculinized man.

 

[Xader]

I dont post on those sites. I know I look like a man but….

My life can't possibly become more difficult, Im all fucked up. It’s too late to become a ‘normal man’ I’d rather become an ugly transwoman at this point. Does this look like the kind of man body women want to have sex with? Kinda nsfw idgafView attachment 175840

You can always detransition If you still have a testicles or use testosterone injections instead of estradiol.

 

[Xader]

Ah yes but then I’d go back to being a 2/10 bald man

You must choose, ugly bald head or ugly body. Honestly, a lot of mens have worse body than yours. Maybe go to gym?

 

[Xader]

Your hair is great anyway. I envy you.

 

[-specter-]

idi why im arguing on this site. point is estrogen>testosterone for me but im still unhappy with my results. I will be an ugly as hell woman post-ffs but at least i wont be as ugly as I were pre-hrt.
18 months hrt. injections + 50mg bica + 200mg prog + biotin + microneedling
bye now
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18 months to have beautiful hair, to me they are great but I understand that this is not the goal you were aiming for, as others have suggested you could add midoxidill to add an extra boost in the hairline and temples and see if you can get further improvements.

 

[keepcoolmybabies]

Transtimelines for sure is… emphasis on word “girl” makes it even more funnier lol, ok we get it, you are ma’am

(picked first post I could find,no cherry picking here)

To be fair, you picked a popular post with 2.4k upvotes so you'd kind of expect people fawning with words like "beautiful" etc

 

[Rysteve93]

For the bic users, How much mg are use using per day? Has anyone run bic over 1/2 years yet? Did anyone notice any improvements from upping dosages over 50mg daily?

 

[Experimentality]

This is good post from my bookmarks for those not using dutasteride because they have “good antiandrogen” in protocol. I’ve seen countless guys using cypro and bica but not using dutasteride or 5ar inhibitor in they regime which is straight up madness imo. There is NO research or paper that points out that T causes hairloss and we know 5ar2 deficient guys do not lose hair. So first reduce dht as much as you can then go on whole androgen blockade side of things. This thread/forum is hyper-focused on E2 and being trans that they forget main goal of these protocols, to restore hair.
Shoutout to @Experimentality for being man of science, linking articles and backing up his claims.

Exactly. Especially the fact that 5AR-type 2 deficient individuals are protected from androgenic hairloss is striking. Of course, 'ordinary' people without this deficiency will never be able to complete annihilate DHT, but in theory should be able to come pretty close with topical Dutasteride. Then, preventing the leftover DHT from binding with a good AR antagonist should seal the deal. The main difficulty does not lie in maintenance though, but in regrowth. Entirely different beast. However, I do suspect that years of consecutive blocking of scalp androgenic activity should eventually yield some kind of regrowth (reversing fibrosis takes time - a lot of time) - mainly based on MtF transgender individuals that eventually seem to regrow at least some hair.

My advice to anyone visiting this forum is still the same. HRT is not a smart decision if you're not trans, and you will very likely regret it. Unlike for instance the thyroid axis, the HPT axis is not resilient, and odds are you will be left hypogonadic after quitting. It will be a histologically different kind of hypogonadism than, for instance, anabolic steroids users experience (which is already problematic and the main subject on many steroid-based fora), since E2 is actually testicotoxic, whereas T is not. Hence, when you decide HRT is not for you, you may be left with a permanently attenuated testicular functioning, forcing you to resort to TRT for the rest of your life to feel like before. If you want to use E2 semi-responsibly use it topically in the right amounts (a few micrograms per mL - milligrams are HRT dosages and should be avoided).

 

[Mr. Slap Head]

The legend returns...

 

[MylovelyHair]

@dani500 you said you tried cpa with e2 and dutasteride with no results.. that is surprizing how long did you stay on that regimen??Also can't wait for you to finish your gyno surgery (i wish the best results) to update us.My gyno atm is a small hard lump to the size of a small eye ball behind both nipples not visible but it is kind of painful and when hot it gives me puffy right nipple!!I will get surgery i guess next month! Been on bica 60 days and this is the only visible change..If we exclude the gyno dutasteride gives me way more sides than bica to be honest! Maybe i can handle all that meds because i am on Anafranil and Abilify aswell.I hate dutasteride but i must adhere and keep taking for ever!! I take finasteride aswell because it is cheap and why not??My body fat is 8%-9%,i lost muscle on dutasteride about 4 kgs, and a lot more side effects from duta alone!Also this friday i got my self some custom made minoxidil pills from a pharmacy 5mg and i will stop drinking the liquid!

 

[Almas_NW0]

Would rather be bald or dead than to fully commit to trans regimen for life as cis.

Some, including myself, will disagree with you. I have been on HRT for 8 months now and I have no regrets. And I won’t regret even if I have to use HRT, because nothing disfigures like baldness
A year ago, I would have said the same thing as you, but when you rapidly turn into a bald freak, you better understand what to choose in this shitty situation.

 

[Almas_NW0]

Bica+dutasteride 83 days,oral min 66days
Gaining nw0 back (my worse temple in pic)
I was on raloxifene and arimidex last few days so results could be better than this but cant let gyno get any worse before surgery day.
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Have you tried Dutasteride + Minoxidil or Bicalutamide + Dutasteride? I'm wondering how important bicalutamide is in your regimen. Because at the dosage of 100mg with Finasteride, I continued to go bald as if I hadn't done anything.

 

[Almas_NW0]

I was on finasteride 4 months, dutasteride 8 months, cypro+spironolactone+e2 4months, then bica+dutasteride and started to see changes 1 month in with scalp itching, it was eliminated for the first time ever. Shortly after I started to get results. Oral minoxidil cant work before 2 month mark (different method of action) so judging by that I had satisfactory results before oral min kicked in. I lost ground on just finasteride and dutasteride. Cypro spironolactone maintained. E2 is trash imo, lemme explain why.
My mom and my sister have female levels of hormones and they are diffusing and have worse hairline than me, so my conclusion was if they are losing with female levels of e2 it must be androgens that need to be further suppresed so i added dutasteride for maximal dht protection (~50% scalp dht decrease) and bica for even further dht protection while letting e2 be at normal levels since it seems unneccesary to raise it.View attachment 175928
This is my moms scalp, diffusing in same pattern nw5a/nw6 just in female kind of way with leaving one strand of hair on every follicle. Hairline is like nw2 thats why she has this combover thing in front.
Your claim that 50% of women continue to go bald on bica is funny and wrong like i explained few times now. Women in pilot studies of bicalutamide were mostly spironolactone/cypro/dutasteride/flutamide/finasteride non-responders.
If you have 100 women and they are all balding first line of defense is spironolactone which works for (improves hair,not maintance) 40% of women. We are left with 60 unsatisfied women,next step is to implement finasteride into regimen (not even dutasteride yet).

So if we have this results on JUST finasteride imagine 200mg spironolactone on top of it. Amazing,right? So we are realisticly looking at 20 women in worst case scenario that are unresponsive to treatment (its much less but lets exaggarate here because why not this is place where everyone is aggressive balder LOL.
So next step would be dutasteride.

And we are talking about 0.15 DUTASTERIDE not standard 0.5mg. So lets say it improved hair in 5 more women of those 20 so we are left with 15.
Next step is to implement flutamide.

With flutamide 80% were satisfied with regrowth of their hair. (There is no mention of improvement %).
So lets say we are left with 10 women. We have bicalutamide now.
From this study we can gather this:

So half of those women got great improvement (that were on all those mentioned therapies beforehand) and we are looking at 5 women (at worst) maybe that need even stronger therapy than that according to you because they didn see improvement to not go bald which is 100% not true. Go to trans forums and you will see lucky ones get regrowth its not even common as you think its maintance thats easiest to achive. And your claim that 50% of women continue to go bald is so wrong I cant believe no one corrected you on that claim ever.
As experimentaly said once to you:

And 99.3% guys dont even need antiandrogen, dutasteride is enough for maintance long term (4years study).

You just gotta admit it at one point to yourself, “yes I have BDD and im not normal average person”. But thats ok we have solution for that also.

You started well, but ended up with complete BDD bullshit that I've already had to answer. Probably, in your world, any person who takes their appearance seriously and avoids turning into a ugly orc suffers from mental illness, and even the one who puts on braces or takes care of the skin of the face is sick
Regarding the study: as I understand it, the study of Flutamide was conducted on patients with already stabilized baldness. It changes a lot, doesn't it? The study of Bicalutamide, on the other hand, had a short period, during which it is impossible to judge whether baldness is stabilized. But I admit that it works well for women. But since it does not work for men from this forum, I am not particularly interested in this.

It's a shame that Bicalutamide didn't help most people on this forum. I don’t know how effective it is in women, but among men, only a few responded to it
Dutasteride, according to studies, is good for men. But firstly, baldness has different aggressiveness, and there are practically no young guys in the studies. And secondly, I advise you to look at the photo of any finasteride and Duta research: freezing baldness at a large stage is considered a success. If they started taking drugs immediately at the onset of baldness, for example, on Norwood 1, the results would be more interesting. I do not think that stopping hair loss on Norwood 2-4 is a good result.