Anyone using Revivogen?

[slowburn]

Would like to know if it's working for anyone as I have heard that it is quickly gaining steam behind propecia and rogaine as a popular hair loss remedy.

 

[DarkVctry]

Well I will tell you what ive gathered. Ive been reading differnt hairloss forums for well over the last 5 years, and i can tell you that i havent read a single testomony from real users reporting positive results. The only people that ive seen say it works have been moderators; thats all im saying.

The thing that tricks people is.....it has GLA's and they are proven to be extremly effective in combating DHT. However it must be FREE FORM GLA's. Revivogens GLA's/LA's are not.

Its a product thats markted well, but i havent seen any results from users

 

[waynakyo]

Is that true ? will some people weigh in please ?
I am considering adding that since it's the only think I heard, other than finasteride, that can thicken your existing hair with time.

please share experiences.

 

[DarkVctry]

Honestly Its not fair for me to knock revivogen personally since I have not used it. All i can do is mention that ive never read about anybody on these forums that claim success with it.

As far as other topicals, I do use spironolactone, and I will continue to use spironolactone. I am a bodybuilder so being in that community I already knew spironolactone was a popular drug for the people that "juiced" on steroids. These are the guys that are injecting tons of hormones into their body, mainly Test, and the highest anabolc form being DHT (5 x more than T). So while on these amped up serum DHT levels, they would put the topical spironolactone on their scalps to combat it during their cycle and post cycle. Of course you have to take into the fact that people that arnt genetically prone to male pattern baldness will not have DHT senstive hair; therefore the spironolactone didnt do anything for them. So spironolactone is one of those drugs that can be argued on both sides.

finasteride & dutasteride both have real science backed behind them, finasteride also being FDA proven. Not to mention the largest amount of positive results reported on these forums.

Now back to the bodybuilding community. The drug named RU58841, is something alot of steroid users have been wanting to get their hands on for along time. Its so potent, but extremely hard to obtain and use. The limited amount of people that do use this; have reported success in maintaing existing hairs.

So I think my next move will be to search all of El_duts posts and learn all i can about RU58841 to add into my regime. RU58841 + spironolactone is my future plans. Eucapil(fluridil) is like 54 bucks a month......i figure if im going to consider spending that much.....i might as well go all out on the RU58841 and do it right.

So my summary is, sure I could spend the money on revivogen scalp therapy and wait a year to see if maby it can help me maintain. Or I can use the RU58841 that is backed by respected members of this board. I might spend extra money on the RU, but atleast I will sleep better knowing the stuff works.

 

[Bryan]

The thing that tricks people is.....it has GLA's and they are proven to be extremly effective in combating DHT. However it must be FREE FORM GLA's. Revivogens GLA's/LA's are not.

Revivogen uses free form fatty acids. Where did you get the impression that they don't? :dunno:

 

[DarkVctry]

Ahhhh my fault Bryan i got my facts messed up. :stupid:

The GLA in revivogen is just in such a small dosage it does nothing ? I know and actually seen the studies on GLA. You've even mentioned the hampster studies too.

When i said free-form i messed up, at the same time I was reading a study about borage and hairloss. Either way thank you for the correction. Also Id assume if Revivogen re-vamped their scalp therapy serum with alot more GLA it could be good, but then way more expensive.

Either way I plan on jumping on the RU58841 train.

 

[Bryan]

The GLA in revivogen is just in such a small dosage it does nothing ? I know and actually seen the studies on GLA. You've even mentioned the hampster studies too.

There's no doubt in my mind that there is _some_ GLA in Revivogen, but probably not a whole lot. You should understand that by no means is GLA the only fatty acid that inhibits 5a-reductase; several of the other unsaturated ones do it, too, although they aren't as potent as GLA. The more unsaturated they are (the more carbon double-bonds in the molecule), the more potent they are. GLA and ALA have three double-bonds; LA (linoleic acid, which is a dietary essential for humans) has two; oleic acid has only one; and stearic acid (which is a saturated fatty acid) has none at all.

So this is the order of effectiveness for those specific fatty acids: GLA better than ALA better than linoleic acid better than oleic acid better than stearic acid.

When i said free-form i messed up, at the same time I was reading a study about borage and hairloss. Either way thank you for the correction. Also Id assume if Revivogen re-vamped their scalp therapy serum with alot more GLA it could be good, but then way more expensive.

Sure. If they added more GLA, it would almost certainly be more effective; however, the cost would then be prohibitive. The way they make Revivogen now is to take natural oils like borage oil and de-esterify them en masse, maing them into free fatty acids, then simply adding the mixture into Revivogen. The fact that they don't have any real need to separate them into individual fatty acids (like GLA, ALA, LA, etc.) saves ENORMOUSLY on the cost of making the stuff! The resulting mixture of fatty acids produces a product that has a mixture of activities against 5a-reductase: some of them are very good (GLA), some of them are medium (LA), and some of them are poor (oleic acid and stearic acid).

 

[Primo]

So Bryan, on the topic of Revivogen, do you believe the claim made by numerous hairloss websites that Revivogen and topical Spironolactone can act as an effective, natural alternative to Finasteride?

Realistically, is this a credible anti-androgen/DHT inihibiting regimen?... I only ask, as most people on this forum seem to dismiss the efficacy of this topical combo.

 

[armandein]

The thing that tricks people is.....it has GLA's and they are proven to be extremly effective in combating DHT. However it must be FREE FORM GLA's. Revivogens GLA's/LA's are not.

Revivogen uses free form fatty acids. Where did you get the impression that they don't? :dunno:

Scalp skin can make the hidrólisis of triglycerides:
The role of bacteria in the formation of free fatty acids on the human skin surface

1. Human skin surface and hair can be rather
easily sterilized by local application of antibiotic
preparations.
2. The lipolytic activity of the skin surface is
diminished after sterilization of the skin.
3. It is concluded that bacteria participate
in the production of free fatty acids on the skin
surface.
4. In addition to bacterial activity, the presence
of lipolytic esterases of cellular origin is
assumed because by sterilization of the surface
its lipolytic activity is never completely abolished

Other study:
http://www.nature.com/jid/journal/v62/n ... 7560a.html
Genesis of free fatty acids
According In our current state of knowledge, free fatty acids are formed in sebaceous follicles primarily through hydrolysis of sebum triglycerides by microbial lipases. Because of their comedogenic and irritant qualities, these free fatty acids are probably responsible for many of the alterations in the follicle that result in acne lesions.

Others references:
• Marples, RH, Downing, DT, Kligman, AM: Control of free fatty acids in human surface lipids by Corynebacterium acnes. J. Invest. Dermatol 1971 56: 127–131,
• Marples, RR, Downing, DT, Kligman, AM: Influence of pityrosporum species in the generation of free fatty acids in human surface lipids. J. Invest. Dermatol 1972 58: 155–159,
• Marples, RR, Kligman, AM: Ecological effects of oral antibiotics on the microflora of human skin. Arch. Dermatol 1971 103: 148–153,
• Marples, RR, Kligman, AM, Lantis, LR, Downing, DT: The role of the aerobic microflora in the genesis of fatty acids in the human surface lipids. J. Invest. Dermatol 1970 65: 173–177,

 

[Bryan]

Scalp skin can make the hidrólisis of triglycerides:
The role of bacteria in the formation of free fatty acids on the human skin surface

Bacteria can certainly help hydrolyze the triglycerides in sebum, but that doesn't mean they can do that to any significant extent with large amounts of externally applied oils. Liang & Liao did an interesting experiment for their patent application about using topical fatty acids to control problems caused by androgenic stimulation: they found that the daily application of 40 mg of pure (unesterified) GLA to the forehead of a human volunteer significantly reduced his sebum production, but the application of borage oil had no such effect.

 

[Bryan]

So Bryan, on the topic of Revivogen, do you believe the claim made by numerous hairloss websites that Revivogen and topical Spironolactone can act as an effective, natural alternative to Finasteride?

Realistically, is this a credible anti-androgen/DHT inihibiting regimen?... I only ask, as most people on this forum seem to dismiss the efficacy of this topical combo.

I certainly don't know for sure. It's all highly theoretical, and we're just guessing about it, until some scientist types test it more formally. Hell, they haven't even tested pure GLA for male pattern baldness, much less a commercial product like Revivogen. We're all just flying blind here, basing these things on reasonable theory and speculation.

 

[waynakyo]

it doesn't seem to me that no one was happy with revivogen..

first it causes a shed for some people.. so it will be funny if it's just accelerated hairloss without later benefits.. if so, then it would be trashed on any forum.. this does not seem to be the case..

people mentionning success:
Hatguy
search.php?st=0&sk=t&sd=d&keywords=%2Brevivogen++&start=50
cyberprimate
viewtopic.php?f=61&t=60059&p=568390&hilit=+revivogen#p568390
DoctorHouse
viewtopic.php?f=61&t=59342&p=561789&hilit=+revivogen#p561789

miachael barry's wrist
viewtopic.php?f=32&t=57525&p=546207&hilit=+revivogen#p546207

Badasshair
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=17&p=543121&hilit=+revivogen#p543121

GOD and that's only 10 minutes of search... you see when people come here and claim that they searched and found that no one was happy with a product it sort of undo all the other good posts and bias our knowledge or flatten our learning curve to put it in another way...

I am trying to decide whether to go on this or not, and I appreciate if people from now on do a good search.... it would help us a lot..

Anyone else help me complete that list ? ( I work 14 hours a day)
gd night

 

[Maelstrom]

Liang & Liao did an interesting experiment for their patent application about using topical fatty acids to control problems caused by androgenic stimulation: they found that the daily application of 40 mg of pure (unesterified) GLA to the forehead of a human volunteer significantly reduced his sebum production, but the application of borage oil had no such effect.

Bryan, is it possible to get hold of this "pure (unesterified) GLA" stuff anywhere?

 

[Bryan]

Bryan, is it possible to get hold of this "pure (unesterified) GLA" stuff anywhere?

Sure, you can get that from most any chemical company, if you have an account with one. The stuff is frightfully expensive, though.

 

[DarkVctry]

Then id say try revivogen, and in 6 months id love to hear about you're results.

 

[DarkVctry]

Waynakyo I found proof that Revivogen does work, infact it shows that its better than finasteride and dutasteride on a PDF file from this site.

Check it out

http://www.gourmetstylewellness.com/hair-loss-p ... y-2008.pdf

Can't wait for you're results.

 

[nickypoos]

Waynakyo I found proof that Revivogen does work, infact it shows that its better than finasteride and dutasteride on a PDF file from this site.

Better then finasteride or dutasteride applied topically disolved in water. I found your post abit missleading, especially where topical studies of finasteride showed inconclusive results of its effectivness anyway.

 

[Mens Rea]

its worth a try

personally - ive just started using "lipogaine" there - it contains 5% minoxidil as well as most of revivo's best ingredients

best topical i can find, alongside nanominox

 

[waynakyo]

Waynakyo I found proof that Revivogen does work, infact it shows that its better than finasteride and dutasteride on a PDF file from this site.

Check it out

http://www.gourmetstylewellness.com/hair-loss-p ... y-2008.pdf

Can't wait for you're results.

I find people like you quite frankly a waste of space on this forum. That's what leads to the endless posts that go to nowhere. Can't believe other guys are so much more patient.


I wasted my precious time, not to have an argument with someone like you, but to show that statements such as these

Ive been reading differnt hairloss forums for well over the last 5 years, and i can tell you that i havent read a single testomony from real users reporting positive results. The only people that ive seen say it works have been moderators; thats all im saying.

are misleading and a clear lie, as i searched the posts for 20 mins and found those links which I made available. I don;t know whether it actually works and that's why I came here to find it, but not to have an argument with some fool. I never tried that thing and never claimed it worked. I tried other things that worked but sometimes i think it's a waste to share it with poeople like you.

cheers

 

[DarkVctry]

LOS ANGELES , CA -- January 23, 2008 -- Can an all natural treatment for hairloss be more effective at reducing DHT than FDA approved treatments for hairloss? A new study sponsored by Advanced Skin and Hair Inc shows a greater inhibition of DHT in reconstructed human epidermis via Revivogen (90%) compared to Dutasteride (the medicine in Avodart, 86%) and Finasteride (67%). The study also showed that Revivogen reduced other metabolites of Testosterone.

The testing was performed by BIOalternatives. BIOalternatives is a service company offering cell-based assays to support drug and healthcare product development and provides customized informative biological solutions to over 200 companies through 16 countries all over the world.


As said before, only tested topically.......so in theory i suppose that test doesnt hold much value.

You're the one that asked, and wanted to try it, and the posts you shown besides the first one, said it had a mild effect. Or was believe to only work on diffuse thinners or people with NW2 and up to maintain.
(i don't consider a mild effect a very positive result but thats where im differnt from the average joe though, i strive for above avg)

Hell i might even try it myself just because it seems not alot of people want to make that leap.