Cool legal article on adultry:

[CCS]

http://www.biojuris.com/natural/3-2-0.html

Common law used to encourage adultry:
If a man was married to a woman, and she had a kid during that time, the kid was legally presumed to be his, and he could not challenge it. Even if he could prove it was not his, he was still required to pay child support if he divorced her.

California changed the law so that now husbands have two years to challenge the DNA of the kid. Other states may varry from 0 years to 4 years.

If he successfully challenges it, then the other guy has to pay child support. The problem though is this could disrupt the family if he already has his own biological kids. Kinda a motive for murder there, I'd say.

I wonder if a man can get an unofficial DNA test without the concent of the mother, so he can find out without opening a can of worms. Even if he did, he would not know who the father was. If it was me, I would not mind raising the kid, as long as I knew the biological father was paying child support and had a restraining order keeping him away from the kid and wife. If either condition were not met, it would be divorce. The in the article, it says California lets the intruding man challenge the paternity and claim the child as his! The reason California lets the intruder do this, is to discourage the woman from cheating. Apparently, the woman usually only wants his DNA, but does not think he'd make a good father, nor does she want him in the kid's life.

Amazing how simple stuff like this can ruin lives.

If they are not married, the kid is presumed to have no father until a DNA test proves otherwise, or a guy signs a birth certificate. Once sinced, he has 60 days to challenge it under federal law. Not sure if that means he needs a test to challenge it, or if he just undo it and still use a test to get out after the 60 days.

IMO, people need a way to secretly test DNA so as not to open a can of worms unnecessarily. And women need a way to easily order a test from the biological father and get child support. IMO, if a guy cheats with a woman, he should have no right to the kid, but still have to pay.

 

[CCS]

There is a much more polite way for women to pick DNA and pick fathers separately:

Go to a sperm bank, or sleep with a single guy while single. Sign a paternity release or something.

Then go find a guy who is father material and tell him she already has kids and does not want more. There are guys who will go into the relationship like that. Honesty is the fair way to do this, instead of ripping people off behind their backs.

 

[CCS]

Men tend to be willing to sleep with lots of women. Even average looking ones when the guy is very above average looking.

Women also love sex, but with guys who look better than them or at least their same level. Yeah, they will date guys lower than them, but often it is for reasons other than sex.

It is all explained with evolution. Men can easily spread sead far and wide. Women can only have one baby at a time. A man gets his genes furthest by sleeping with many women. A woman gets her genes furthest by sleeping with the most fit man, and then getting the most prosperous man to raise it.

Republicans who want to save sex for marriage have this believe because of offspring envy. They also don't like the fact that most women don't give the average guy the time of day when he is young, until later when they want him to raise their kid.

By having easy DNA testing ways to determine paternity without first letting people know about the test, and by making it easy for women to go get support from the biological father, deceptive methods will be much less common. Hot guys will use condoms with average women, and that will discourage the guys from even sleeping with them. When it is harder for the average women to get the hard guys, they will be more likely to give the average men the time of day.

Men and women will then pair up one to one and be happy and focus on improving themselves instead of ripping people off. If a woman can't get a guy she wants the DNA of, she will go the single mom route, and then find a man afterwards, without the deception.

 

[powersam]

I am so glad you cleared all that up for me. I was totally in the dark before. I now understand relationships and the human condition to a degree I never before thought possible.

 

[CCS]

I am so glad you cleared all that up for me. I was totally in the dark before. I now understand relationships and the human condition to a degree I never before thought possible.

My dad loves reading evolutionary books. He said that according to a study done, 75% of kids are the biological kids of the presumed father. Only the bottom 25% of men are weeded out. But that may have been a verbal study, not a randomized DNA study.

 

[powersam]

There was a report published once about the incidence of kids being fathered by someone other than the husband. But the methodology was inherently flawed as it went solely by the results of paternity tests. Obviously if you are having a paternity test done, there is doubt already.

 

[CCS]

There was a report published once about the incidence of kids being fathered by someone other than the husband. But the methodology was inherently flawed as it went solely by the results of paternity tests. Obviously if you are having a paternity test done, there is doubt already.

Only the interpretation was flawed. The data is still good. It sets an upper limit. Do you know what the figure was?

 

[powersam]

Couldn't find it in a brief look, but this other article i found... farking hell CCS you may be right about the world.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0209/p01s01-usju.html

 

[CCS]

Couldn't find it in a brief look, but this other article i found... farking hell CCS you may be right about the world.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0209/p01s01-usju.html

I've seen many articles like this. Happens to 1000's of men each year I've read.
How about that $200,000? Pretty big motive to decieve, no?

Fact is, she would be a single mom if he had not been tricked. So I don't see how it is his fault. It is entirely the woman's fault for cheating and then not going after the other guy.

I'm opinion, for $200,000, the woman should be put to death. That is 18 years of slavery right there.

 

[CCS]

They say he should not have trusted her. Yeah. What if every husband got a DNA test on the day his kids were born? Kinda ruins the occation, no? Why should honest families have to be disrupted like that just to catch a few pieces of ****? The woman knows she cheated. It should be her responsibility alone to go after the biological father.

 

[CCS]

http://www.ancpr.org/dna_shakes_up_chil ... t_law_.htm

This article explains everything, in historical order.

8 states let men challenge paternity with DNA. 2, including texas, give men a 2 year statute of limitations, afterwhich they must pay child support even with DNA evidence. A few other states are waging battles, as men across the country are joining together to fight this.

What angers me is the man haters say that it would disrupt the child emotionally to lose a dad. Who says the kid has to lose a dad? He'd still be the dad. He just should not have to pay child support. Let the woman finger the man she slept with and test his DNA and have HIM pay.

30% of paternity tests show the man is not the father. But are those the tests where the guy is requesting it to get off, or the tests where a woman is requesting it to prove a guy is the father, or both?


The biological father should have to pay these men back payments.

 

[CCS]

http://ancpr.com/forum/index.php/board,1.0.html

lightningwatcher is me.

 

[s.a.f]

Why are you so obsessed with this sh*t? You dont even have any kids. :shock:
What you do seem to have is a severe distrust of all women. :shakehead:

 

[cuebald]

When I get a girlfriend I'm going to ask for samples of her saliva and blood so I can have a record of her DNA.
Every time I sleep with her I will make her take her pill infront of me and I will inspect my condom under a microscope just incase.
She'll still want to sleep with me because of my big quads and delts.
If she misses her period I'll slip her some pennyroyal tea.

This is of course the ideal way to have a relationship.

(if the above is true in America it is a pretty fucked up place IMHO)

 

[optimus prime]

CCS, My g/f is a few years old than me. Still hot though...what do you make of that?

I recon it’s because I dated a hot girl (8/10) and she cheated on me, and now I want someone faithful but still hot, so I dated an older women (who will not cheat....hopefully...because she wants to settle down) but is still hot.

 

[powersam]

This actually sounds like a serious issue to me. Imagine paying hundreds of thousands of dollars in child support for another mans child...

 

[CCS]

The problem with the current system is you can't know unless you ask her for a test. What if she is innocent? Then you just insulted her. Maybe half the women are innocent. Or 2/3 even. But it is the snakes who ruin it for everyone. In order to catch the snakes, you got to insult the innocent ones.

That is why we need a law that makes it easy to test the kid without the mother knowing. So if it is his, he can act like he never asked for the test.
Same for women. They should be able to test a guy without him knowing. If it is his kid, she can go after child support. If it is not, then know one has to know she asked for the test. He'll only know that someone ordered the test, but not who.

If you have to pay $1000 per month every month for 18 years, that is slavery. That will put you in poverty, and ruin your current relationship. Some guys can't even feed their own kids because they are paying for someone else's.

And you know the woman knows who the real father is. She just does not want to make him pay. She is deliborately and calculatingly being a parasite on the first guy.

Why don't I have kids now? Because I can't get them without risking this. First I have to fix the system. Then I can get kids.

 

[s.a.f]

Why don't I have kids now? Because I can't get them without risking this. First I have to fix the system. Then I can get kids.

Message to all mods: Please, please please can change the profiles to enlarge the available amount of signature space so that I can include this little pearl of wisdom amongst my other CCS quotes. :hump:

 

[CCS]

The apathy on here is astounding. On the other forum, over 120 voters said paternity fraud needs to end, compared to 2 who like the current system. I got some strong responses over there. Over here, people don't care.

 

[powersam]

The apathy on here is astounding. On the other forum, over 120 voters said paternity fraud needs to end, compared to 2 who like the current system. I got some strong responses over there. Over here, people don't care.

Well this is a hairloss forum dude, not political.