Hair Cloning:- The Ultimate Cure For Hair Loss.

[Mddx]

Apart from minoxidil and finasteride we have no fda approved drug to cure hairloss.
Minoxidil working on only 40% of people while finasteride having it's side effects,
There is no strong cure for hairloss.
Hair transplants isn't for everyone, some might be good candidates some might be not and then to having to find a good doctor to get it done from is a huge hassle. I had gotten a hair transplant from a turkish doctor and well the results were disappointing and heartbreaking, not saying turkish doctors are bad neither am I saying not to get a hair transplant, I'm just sharing what I've been through. All I'm saying is if you have the money for it please don't rush it, do your research take as much time as possible untill being completely sure.
Coming to brotzu I do have hopes that it might work but you'd still have people who'd be non respondent to the drug.
Having said all that the only hope I see for people to have a full head of hair is hair cloning. I just hope it doesn't take 50 years.
Anyone on this forum who has done some research please feel free to share your ideas and your point of view on a potential and permanent cure for hair loss.
Would be much appreciated,
Thank you.

 

[That Guy]

I think that hair "cloning", in the sense that it will be a thing that "can be done", will probably be a reality within a few years.

However, I've said ad-nauseum recently, and I don't care to go more rounds with people about it, but given its geographic location and business model from the only company that actually seems to have a very real chance of succeeding and bringing it to market — I do not think this is going to be a practical option for most people who are hoping to get their hair back while they're still "young", as per the definition of most people here.

 

[Min0]

nope, even doner area gets thinner with time in a lot of people, cloning with maintenance will be the only cure.

 

[MrV88]

even with cloning its not likely they can transplant the hair as densely as you (probably) used to have :/

Wasn't Tsuji talking about a density goal of 200-250 hair/cm²?

 

[Endmymisery]

I'm surprised not more people are hyped about shiseido treatment, it is a permanent or a long term maintainance and has already proved maintenance, it's basically a cure for guys who still have hair but are on finasteride

 

[sunchyme1]

I'm surprised not more people are hyped about shiseido treatment, it is a permanent or a long term maintainance and has already proved maintenance, it's basically a cure for guys who still have hair but are on finasteride

whats been the reported sides with this treatment?

 

[sunchyme1]

Anything requiring a hair transplant isn't a cure. People seem to assume that hair transplants produce a truly undetectable, natural-looking head of hair. That simply isn't the case. Are they an improvement over being bald? Absolutely. Are they the optimal outcome? Absolutely not. To take a NW7 to NW1 with a hair transplant would take days, and given the cost per unit, would be tens of thousands of dollars (and that's just the labor cost - who knows how much the cloning production of tens of thousands of units would cost). The labor cost will come down as robotics improves (the ARTAS system is very impressive, but it currently only handles one half of the process), but there will never be a good, $5k hair transplant.

Even without immunization, native regrowth is a cure, just as long as it can be replicated infinitely.

you still buzzing about follica man?

 

[Endmymisery]

whats been the reported sides with this treatment?

I believe no sides, except the slight irritation from the injection when you get the injection, but that goes away too.

 

[Mddx]

I'm surprised not more people are hyped about shiseido treatment, it is a permanent or a long term maintainance and has already proved maintenance, it's basically a cure for guys who still have hair but are on finasteride

Ive never heard ab9ut shiseido, what is it exactly? Topical application?

 

[Mddx]

I am very excited in that it is definitely coming to market, which makes it the first new treatment for hair loss to come out in over a decade (if you don't consider dutasteride, a generation). The only questions are how well does it work, and does it work for most people. We'll know the answers to those questions in about two to three years. It's not going to turn a NW7 to a NW1, but hopefully it will grow at least a Norwood. As to efficacy in most people, the process that triggers growth via wounding should exist in everyone. However, if that process requires a certain response to minoxidil, it may not, as not everyone responds to monixidil. And then there's the wild card of the other compounds that may or may not be part of the protocol.

We'll just have to wait and see, but it's the closest we've come to a new treatment in decades, and it will come.

Last year I was all hyped up about it coming in 2017 and now if I read up about follica it says if might or might not come in 2018.
All I'm worried about is what if it's just a load of crap like all the other bs oils/meds in the market?

 

[Endmymisery]

Ive never heard ab9ut shiseido, what is it exactly? Topical application?

No, they take a few dht resistant hair from the back of the head and multiply them and inject it on top of the head which supposedly makes them dht resistant so it's a long term or maybe even permanent maintenance. It only works if you hair on top tho I believe.

 

[Mddx]

No, they take a few dht resistant hair from the back of the head and multiply them and inject it on top of the head which supposedly makes them dht resistant so it's a long term or maybe even permanent maintenance. It only works if you hair on top tho I believe.

So you mean hair cloning?

 

[Noisette]

Ive never heard ab9ut shiseido, what is it exactly? Topical application?

Replicel has given to Shiseido an exclusive geographic licence to use RCH-01 in some countries of Asia (Japan, Korea, ASEAN countries etc...).

Shiseido and Replicel are co-developing RCH-01, improving this technology. Shiseido has launched his clinical trial in Japan on July 2016.

With the new Japan's laws (2 acts), they could have an conditional limited approval for marketing RCH-01 in Japan. Maybe in the end of 2018.

 

[Endmymisery]

Replicel has given to Shiseido an exclusive geographic licence to use RCH-01 in some countries of Asia (Japan, Korea, ASEAN countries etc...).

Shiseido and Replicel are co-developing RCH-01, improving this technology. Shiseido has launched his clinical trial in Japan on July 2016.

With the new Japan's laws (2 acts), they could have an conditional limited approval for marketing RCH-01 in Japan. Maybe in the end of 2018.

Ayy way better explanation

 

[Noisette]

So you mean hair cloning?

Yes we could consider it like Hair cloning only for that :

In the RCH-01 treatment, cloned DSC cells are injected into balding areas of the scalp where they are expected to reverse miniaturization and regenerate healthy, hair-producing follicles.

 

[Mddx]

Thank you so much Endmymisery and Noisette for bringing this to my knowledge, I really appreciate it, Now all I wish for is a legit cure by 2018, be it Follica or shiseido.

 

[abcdefg]

What else is there to say? I agree with you. I am in the camp its going to be a lot longer than people think before we can clone or grow hairs and go from Norwood 7 to Norwood 1. Like many decades from now or longer.
Its not a good time in history to have male pattern baldness that is just all I will say. We have 2 twenty year old treatments that are less than impressive, and carry some nice risks for just the shot at slight cosmetic improvements
Its pretty clear no drug or compound will ever cure male pattern baldness.

 

[That Guy]

Thank you so much Endmymisery and Noisette for bringing this to my knowledge, I really appreciate it, Now all I wish for is a legit cure by 2018, be it Follica or shiseido.

I feel it should probably be stressed that with Shiseido, "reversal of miniaturization" is not necessarily a "cure" because after a certain amount of time of an area being slick bald, you are generally fucked and would have to grow new follicles from the ground up and based on the Phase of RepliCel, it doesn't seem like the treatment is likely to do that.

Finasteride and Estrogen, etc. can "reverse" miniaturization to a lesser and greater degree, but even then it's almost never 100% recovery.

As for Follica, given the results of successful dermarollers and professional studies, I still say that with a greater understanding of the mechanisms at play in wounding and how to influence the desired outcome, the amount of hair one should theoretically be able to grow with such a method should only be limited to how much skin one has. Now, it's quite likely that the first-gen version of the treatment won't be maximum potential, but I'd personally bet that one day, it will get to a point where it will be the ideal option.

 

[abcdefg]

Personally over the years, and as time rolls on I am more and more pessimistic about male pattern baldness ever being cured. The next 20 or 30 years when I would care anyway. Eventually I mean all kinds of crap will happen, but after your dead does it really matter?

 

[H]

only be limited to how much skin one has.

Why do you think we haven't seen anyone achieve full density back from a slick bald head after dermarolling multiple times for years with only sparse growth?