im booked to have my galea removed in Belgium in September

[Gilgamesh]

've done extensive research and believe this has at least a 17% chance at halting hairloss. (for 1000 euro, that's good odds for me)

I'm too lazy to post all the explanations, but it's being done at the Wellness Kliniek in Belgium

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jorn asked: "Hello, In Belgium there are surgeons and hairclinics who are offering galeatomie and 'onderbinding'(blood breaches above the ears will be burned, so less blood supply to the head will be the consequence) to the treatment as a solution against hairloss. Do you know that method and what does it exactly? Thanks"



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Dr Peter H. Proctor, PhD MD answered: "I have no specific knowledge and can't say whether galeotomy wors or not. Is supect it does, at least some. This is apparently a variation of temporal aretery ligation, an old technique that does work some. It may work by causing increased releaso of blood vessel-dilatory factors (especially NO or nitric oxide ). These also happen to be hair growth stimulators..



http://hairtransplant.net/hair_transpla ... ExpertID=1

please pray this works out for me: i plan to take pictures and keep you guys updated. do some research on google and alt.baldspot if you'd like

 

[Guest]

your the best

 

[Vega]

im no doctor but that treatment sounds incredibly far fetched and dangerous to me

 

[Guest]

I'm sorry but you are f*****g mental.

Don't do it - you really have some issues to sort out in you head.

Are you on any depression medication?

Are you seeing a psychiatrist?

For the benefit of yourself and other people on this site please try and straighten yourself out.

Read my signature - it makes sense.

 

[oni]

Gilgamesh if you like I will mash your testicles to f*** with a claw hammer for a small fee! (£100) :shock: that should do the trick!

 

[Gilgamesh]

hey dr.proctor has seen it work (and has no financial interest in it)

17% odds = good

 

[oni]

Regime, Gilgamesh what is yours?

 

[tomsmith]

It won't bring back lost hair though, what's the point?

Why not save for longer and get a hair transplant instead?

 

[Gilgamesh]

It won't bring back lost hair though, what's the point?

Why not save for longer and get a hair transplant instead?

because I will eventually become a NW7-8 (i'm diffusing in safe zones) and not a candidate for a hair transplant

i'm only doing this to have a 17% chance of saving my donor for a future transplant

in terms of saving, money won't be a problem. i've literally put every extra cent i've made towards my 'hair surgery' fund for the past 4 years (to the point of not eating out, not buying new shoes, etc.)

my ex-girlfriend almost dumped me because i wouldn't spend money and i told her my hair fund needed it

 

[Gilgamesh]

Regime, Gilgamesh what is yours?

oni, ive tried regimes since 2000-2001 with absolutely no success

ORAL FLUTAMIDE, ORAL spironolactone, hardcore stuff (as well as the typicals)

i'm pretty convinced diffuse male pattern baldness is a manifestation of an endocrine problem and doesn't respond to androgen deprivation therapies

 

[Gilgamesh]

http://www.geocities.com/bryan50001/artery_ligature.htm

 

[asdf13]

Gil, check your PM please.

 

[Bryan]

Do you guys remember that thread I started a month ago about "Dispensing with old-fashioned male pattern baldness theories..."? Well, one of those "old-fashioned ideas" was the galea theory! Unlike in that older post, I'm now going to type-out everything the author said about it in that study I cited ("Synchronous Balding of Scalp and Hair-bearing Grafts of Scalp Transplanted to the Skin of the Arm in Male Pattern Baldness", Rolf E. A. Nordstrom, Acta Derm Venereol 1979; 59: 266-268), which include the first three paragraphs:

"During the past few decades, several hypotheses concerning the etiology of male pattern baldness (male pattern baldness) have been presented. In 1933, Wadel reported findings of decreased motility of the scalp. He was convinced that this decrease was due to the fact that in male pattern baldness patients the scalp is both frontally and sagittally too short, and thus it has to be stretched like a too-small cap to cover the relatively too-big skull. For hair nutrition and rooting this persisting tension creates unbearable conditions, leading to gradual loss of hair. In 1935 he wrote that male pattern baldness is the end result of the tension atrophy of the scalp covering the galea aponeurotica. This atrophy is caused by a disproportion between the skull bone and the galea aponeurotica, due to an isolated growth of the skull bone to which the tendon-like structure of the galea is not able to adapt. He reported excellent results in the treatment of male pattern baldness with 'loosening' massage to the scalp.

"In 1941, Kessler started experimental work with frontal galeotomies in order to reduce the supposed increased tension of the galea aponeurotica. In 1961 he reported a success rate of 87% with this treatment of male pattern baldness. At that time this operation was popular in Europe. In 1963, Ponten reported that after frontal galeotomy he could not find any objective improvement in his 56 patients and he still holds this view concerning this operation (personal communication, 1976).

"The present author has seen several patients who have undergone frontal galeotomy and later developed an advanced degree of male pattern baldness. The popularity of this operation has waned."

And here is what he says in the Discussion section at the end:

"In the receding hairline and in the graft taken from it the loss of hairs remains synchronous even though the latter is transplanted to a remote skin area. In male pattern baldness the 'balding clock' in the follicle or in its very close surrounding keeps time even when the follicle is transplanted to the skin of the forearm. The presence or absence of the galea aponeurotica does not influence the balding process in male pattern baldness. Nor does the supposed increased tension of the scalp or its muscles or a diminished vascular supply to the scalp have an effect on balding. Neither do any other factors localized to the head cause balding. The cause seems to lie in the follicle itself or its very close surrounding. The graft taken from the denuded area did not grow new hairs, and so the male pattern baldness process of the hair follicle is not reversed by a change in its location on the human body."

Bryan

 

[Gilgamesh]

bryan, why do you suppose the success with the artery-ligation (your study, proctor's colleague, etc.)

also: would proctor disclose who his colleague is

 

[Dinzy]

hey dr.proctor has seen it work (and has no financial interest in it)

17% odds = good

17% is terrible odds. 83% chance it will fail. That is about the chance that finasteride will halt or slightly reverse hairloss. If finasteride hasn't worked for you with the 80+ % odds then why are you wasting 1000 euros for something that is almost five times less likely to do anything

 

[Gilgamesh]

hey dr.proctor has seen it work (and has no financial interest in it)

17% odds = good

17% is terrible odds. 83% chance it will fail. That is about the chance that finasteride will halt or slightly reverse hairloss. If finasteride hasn't worked for you with the 80+ % odds then why are you wasting 1000 euros for something that is almost five times less likely to do anything

either i stop the balding or i (a) kill myself or (b) get castrated within 6 months

got any better options?

 

[Cornholio]

Wow (as in OMG)... I dont suppose "getting over it and getting on with your life" is an option? If not try these...

C) by an Andy Warhol wig... Im pretty sure he wore a wig and IT was cool
D) shave your head, get tatoos and an earring, and look as punk or scary as you want.
E) try Casodex or other chemical castration for 6 months.. If you start growing breasts or it doesnt really help stop the casodex and be grateful you still have testicles

 

[Guest]

I'm sorry but you are f*****g mental.

Don't do it - you really have some issues to sort out in you head.

Are you on any depression medication?

Are you seeing a psychiatrist?

For the benefit of yourself and other people on this site please try and straighten yourself out.

Read my signature - it makes sense.

I would have to agree with neiltom88 and Cornholio. This is taking a step over the sane/insane threshold. Because you have to ask yourself: is it worth turning into some kind of Darth Vaderesque entity to save your hair? You seem to find it acceptable to lose your mind, but not your hair. Check out psychotherapy before you do this--they might have input worth listening to.

Neiltom88: anyone who quotes himself, and then refers to his quote frequentlly thereafter, fits the Old English Dictionary's definition of "tool".

 

[Guest]

oi leave off neil, he's one of the 'good guys'

 

[S Foote.]

hey dr.proctor has seen it work (and has no financial interest in it)

17% odds = good

17% is terrible odds. 83% chance it will fail. That is about the chance that finasteride will halt or slightly reverse hairloss. If finasteride hasn't worked for you with the 80+ % odds then why are you wasting 1000 euros for something that is almost five times less likely to do anything

either i stop the balding or i (a) kill myself or (b) get castrated within 6 months

got any better options?

Gilgamesh.

Just my opinion, but if you are going to try such drastic procedures, go for the arterial ligation first!

S Foote.