Is Male Pattern Baldness A Sign Of Low Or High Testosterone?

[trist92]

This is just so confusing.

MTP commonly occurs as we get older when our testosterone levels drop, does it mean its caused by low testosterone levels?
MTP is correlated with low sperm counts, which is common in men with low testosterone right?

So then why does lifting weights and increasing your testosterone levels to artificial limits through steroids accelerate hair loss?

There are just so many contradictions. If you are in your 20s and losing your hair, is that indicative of below average testosterone levels?

 

[IdealForehead]

Neither. It represents androgen sensitivity of the hair follicles. You can have very high test or very low test. What matters is how sensitive the follicles are.

The decreased sperm count is likely that whatever makes our hair follicles sensitive to inflammation when exposed to androgens is also making our testicles inflammed and prostate too. That's why we have higher risk of prostate cancer too.

 

[trist92]

Neither. It represents androgen sensitivity of the hair follicles. You can have very high test or very low test. What matters is how sensitive the follicles are.

The decreased sperm count is likely that whatever makes our hair follicles sensitive to inflammation when exposed to androgens is also making our testicles inflammed and prostate too. That's why we have higher risk of prostate cancer too.

Thank you
But do you have an explanation why suddenly your follicles develop sensitivity in your 20s, why do your hair follicles remain resilient and then all of a sudden cave in?

 

[IdealForehead]

Thank you
But do you have an explanation why suddenly your follicles develop sensitivity in your 20s, why do your hair follicles remain resilient and then all of a sudden cave in?

As far as I know no one knows that.

If I had to guess I would venture it's probably a situation like telomeres that wear down slowly over time, where the androgens are wearing all our hair down to an extent but we have a buffer of protection on our hairs. Everyone has a different length of buffer. Some people it will last a lifetime. Others just until the teens.

But that's just conjecture.

 

[michel sapin]

hey @IdealForehead ; what do you think about taking low dose of aromasin in combination with duta to limit the excess oestradiol?

 

[IdealForehead]

hey @IdealForehead ; what do you think about taking low dose of aromasin in combination with duta to limit the excess oestradiol?

You could but what's the point? If you're losing hair on dutasteride already then it's not going to solve anything on its own.

If you kept dutasteride and added an aromatase inhibitor you'd still need another agent as well since its not solving the problem on its own.

That would still be an option if you want to be aggressive. Ie. dutasteride + aromatase inhibitor + topical antiandrogen.

 

[abcdefg]

Thank you
But do you have an explanation why suddenly your follicles develop sensitivity in your 20s, why do your hair follicles remain resilient and then all of a sudden cave in?

Why do most boys have no body hair or facial hair until after puberty? Then later tons of it, but those same androgens cause the opposite for head hair? No one knows.

 

[ManinBlack]

It's a sign that you have beta genes and that your beta hair follicles can not handle the amount of DHT that is normal for an adult man.

 

[michel sapin]

@IdealForehead ; i was only taking duta twice a weelk ; which is only slightly better than fina 5 mg daily
but even with low dose duta i got more sides than fina so i was afraid to upped my dose .
But if i keep the oestradiol on the low range , i think i could try the full dosage of duta
My only concern is the hair thinning with aromasin

I was thinkin of taking 25 mg aromasin once a week ; realy low dosage

 

[IdealForehead]

@IdealForehead ; i was only taking duta twice a weelk ; which is only slightly better than fina 5 mg daily
but even with low dose duta i got more sides than fina so i was afraid to upped my dose .
But if i keep the oestradiol on the low range , i think i could try the full dosage of duta
My only concern is the hair thinning with aromasin

I was thinkin of taking 25 mg aromasin once a week ; realy low dosage

I dont know anything about the safety of aromasin so I can't comment on that. But if it looks safe and youve only been taking dutasteride twice a week then definitely you could at least theoretically get some more effect by taking dutasteride daily and doing something to compensate for the estrogen.

If you have easy access to blood testing, you could get your DHT levels checked on your current dose, go up to taking dutasteride daily for a few weeks and recheck.

If you've already mostly suppressed your DHT based on the blood and don't get a much better suppression on the higher dose then you can't expect a dramatic improvement in the hair. Analyzing the DHT levels might save you from wasting another 6-12 months in case it looks like you're not going to get anywhere.

If you get a much bigger DHT suppression then maybe it's worth giving it a shot.

 

[thetdog666]

@IdealForehead ; i was only taking duta twice a weelk ; which is only slightly better than fina 5 mg daily
but even with low dose duta i got more sides than fina so i was afraid to upped my dose .
But if i keep the oestradiol on the low range , i think i could try the full dosage of duta
My only concern is the hair thinning with aromasin

I was thinkin of taking 25 mg aromasin once a week ; realy low dosage

Is there any studies on aromasin losing hair? Why wouldn't it be safe?

 

[michel sapin]

i have easy acess to blood test and i can confirm that duta twice a week decrease DHT to the same level as fina 5 mg , and the same level as fina 1 mg
I am sure that taking it daily will decrease it more .
But will aslo increase my oestradiol more

what i don't undersantd is why sometimes my oestradiol while taking fina is at the low range , and other times in the higher range

 

[whatevr]

Neither, it's just a sign you're a cuck.

 

[IdealForehead]

Is there any studies on aromasin losing hair? Why wouldn't it be safe?

Aromatase inhibitors are used by body builders on steroids but they take it seriously in terms of risks and benefits. That's the most i know about it. I'm not talking about safe for hair but just general health safety.

Obviously op if you go ahead use the bare minimum needed to keep your estrogen in the normal range.

 

[MorningGlory]

Neither, it's just a sign you're a cuck.

Projecting.

 

[MorningGlory]

Don’t listen to @ManinBlack the term “beta genes” has no scientific or intellectual value whatsoever. It’s just broscience fused with amateur psychology used by dullards trying to appear smart.