Is minoxidil useless whitout Finansterid?

[TeenageHairLossSuffer]

Hi I'm currently using minoxidil which I've done for about a month now.. I have a question:

Does it even make any good for my hair when I'm not using finansterid? I really don't want to get on this drug as I'm only 18 years old.
By the way I'm using revita shampoo which has keto in it.

 

[TeenageHairLossSuffer]

Sounds good I'll stick to treatment.. I'm surprised I'm not really shedding now a month into treatment which I expected. When will I see any improvemens in density?

 

[cthulhu2.0]

I got very slight regrowth while on minoxidil but it wasn't enough and its efficacy began to reduce after a year. Starting finasteride was one of the best decisions I have made thus far. It is well known that finasteride is far more effective than minoxidil and unlike minoxidil, does not lose efficacy over time. You do seem a bit young to start finasteride but if it is already starting to get aggressive then I would definitely consider it.

 

[cthulhu2.0]

You have to stop spreading these lies. If it was the case, we would have our cure: finasteride. Of course it is not, we build up a tolerance to any medication.

That's where you are wrong. I did not say that finasteride is effective in all cases. In the studies, there was approx 10% who continued to lose hair after taking finasteride, but for the ppl who maintained or regrew hair, the results were actually better for those people after 5 years. Surely you havent read all the literature on finasteride.

 

[rcom440]

Hi I'm currently using minoxidil which I've done for about a month now.. I have a question:

Does it even make any good for my hair when I'm not using finansterid? I really don't want to get on this drug as I'm only 18 years old.
By the way I'm using revita shampoo which has keto in it.

Better stick with nizoral instead of revita. Revita is like overpriced nizoral with whole bunch of other stuff that won't do much while shampooing. Copper peptides needs to stay on scalp for a few hours.

 

[WarLord]

You have to stop spreading these lies. If it was the case, we would have our cure: finasteride. Of course it is not, we build up a tolerance to any medication.

Neither minoxidil, nor finasteride lose their efficiacy, if their dosage is sufficient from the start. If you start to lose hair after several years on these drugs, it only means that the strength of the medication has not been sufficient since the very beginning. The effect of DHT is cumulative and it can manifest after many years. Why do you think that older men lose their hair at a slower rate than young men? Because their hair is more resistant to DHT and it takes much more hair cycles, until the follicle is destroyed.

The problem is that the effect of minoxidil is dose-dependent and what we legally have at disposal is only 5% minoxidil. It may not be enough for some people in the long run. But you can find quite a lot of anecdotical stories of people, who have been using 5% minoxidil for 20+ years.

 

[cthulhu2.0]

I've seen men go from NW1 to NW7 in the space of a few years in well into their 50's, your argument is invalid.

All these things you write about hair loss treatments are just this: wishful thinking.

And wishful thinking will not make you escape your fate as a bald man. It seems like denial can be strong with some people.

Some people get results from finasteride on a long term basis while others don't. Long term studies on finasteride indicate that a small percentage of users 10-15% continue to lose hair while the majority have stabilized hair loss and another small portion gets excellent regrowth. The reality is a lot of people start finasteride too late and are expecting to get amazing results or are part of the small population that doesn't benefit form finasteride because there hairloss is too aggressive. To conclude that certain people are bound to be bald despite consideration of finasteride is problematic.

 

[CursedMen]

People who suffer from male pattern baldness ARE bound to be bald (except in some cases where it stops at NW2/3), no matter what hormone-altering crap they put into their bodies.

We're talking about our genetics here.

The problem is: the first time side-effects rear their ugly head, people are forced to discontinue finasteride. This is what happens most of the time.

I'm not disagreeing with you that people don't go bald even on finasteride, but you have to realize DNA (genetics, blue print for body) has to have a factor that carries out its plans. Imagine DNA as your boss it tells all the workers what to do in order to make something happen without those workers how is anything going to get done? DNA programs follicles to shrink if a certain amount androgens (workers) attach to a follicle's receptor sites. What happens when there is no androgens to shrink the follicle?

 

[CursedMen]

That is beyond the point. You claimed people with male pattern baldness ARE bound to go bald regardless of Finasteride. I was just simply calling out that bull**** statement...

 

[zzzzz]

fred have you ever been on finasteride? How long were u on it? what happened and why did u stop?

 

[cthulhu2.0]

If something works initially and has been shown to work over a long period of time, then why assume that it will eventually stop working? I am of course referring to finasteride and the 5 and 10 year studies that determined it's ability to work in the long run. I started noticing thinning at an early age(18) and have just recently added finasteride around 2 and a half months (age 22) and have noticed a huge improvement, even to the likes of my brothers who didn't even know I was taking finasteride. Then again, I have been using minoxidil and finasteride two years prior to starting finasteride so they definitely have an additive effect. I think Spencer Kobren is a good example of Finasteride's ability to work long term, given the fact that he started finasteride at young adulthood due to aggressive male pattern baldness and has good looking hair after 16/17 years, or however long he has been taking finasteride.

 

[isishearmyplea]

If something works initially and has been shown to work over a long period of time, then why assume that it will eventually stop working? I am of course referring to finasteride and the 5 and 10 year studies that determined it's ability to work in the long run. I started noticing thinning at an early age(18) and have just recently added finasteride around 2 and a half months (age 22) and have noticed a huge improvement, even to the likes of my brothers who didn't even know I was taking finasteride. Then again, I have been using minoxidil and finasteride two years prior to starting finasteride so they definitely have an additive effect. I think Spencer Kobren is a good example of Finasteride's ability to work long term, given the fact that he started finasteride at young adulthood due to aggressive male pattern baldness and has good looking hair after 16/17 years, or however long he has been taking finasteride.

i heard he paints his head, guess heard him talking abt it on his show. cthulu do you have any idea abt the japanese studies of .2 mg finasteride?

 

[cthulhu2.0]

i heard he paints his head, guess heard him talking abt it on his show. cthulu do you have any idea abt the japanese studies of .2 mg finasteride?

I understand that lower doses of finasteride can be close in efficacy compared to the larger doses. Is this what you are referring to?

 

[isishearmyplea]

yea . . i mean i have heard it, seen graphs and some people say company in japan sells finasteride @ .2 mg doses also, but NEVER found any such study(comparing .2 mg vs 1 mg).

 

[TeenageHairLossSuffer]

Really? Will it be better for my hair to use nizoral than Revita? I mean it says on the bottle it contains 1% Keto just like nizoral.

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I have another question, since I'm only so young (18) and my facial hair has just started to really grow out, I still lack hair on my chest. Will starting finasteride mess my facial hair up in anyway? Like I would never get the full amount I'm supposed to later in life and so on? I'm really freaking out..
Has anyone in here started on finasteride at early adulthood? Or do you know something about it? Is DHT important at my age?

I know it's a lot of question, but I feel I can get my answers here.. my own research on this stuff dosen't help me I think
(sorry for my english btw, hope it's readable)

 

[WarLord]

If something works initially and has been shown to work over a long period of time, then why assume that it will eventually stop working? I am of course referring to finasteride and the 5 and 10 year studies that determined it's ability to work in the long run. I started noticing thinning at an early age(18) and have just recently added finasteride around 2 and a half months (age 22) and have noticed a huge improvement, even to the likes of my brothers who didn't even know I was taking finasteride. Then again, I have been using minoxidil and finasteride two years prior to starting finasteride so they definitely have an additive effect. I think Spencer Kobren is a good example of Finasteride's ability to work long term, given the fact that he started finasteride at young adulthood due to aggressive male pattern baldness and has good looking hair after 16/17 years, or however long he has been taking finasteride.

Don't listen to that NW5 fool. He is embittered and wants other guys to follow his bald path. It's a natural attitude: "When I went bald, then you will go bald, too, soon or later, you damned bastards!"

Why didn't he take dutasteride? Or at least finasteride? What are his testosterone, DHT and SHBG levels? I am afraid that he won't be able to give us a rational reply to these questions. He obviously likes feeling like an unhappy, cursed martyr.

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People who suffer from male pattern baldness ARE bound to be bald (except in some cases where it stops at NW2/3), no matter what hormone-altering crap they put into their bodies.

We're talking about our genetics here.

The problem is: the first time side-effects rear their ugly head, people are forced to discontinue finasteride. This is what happens most of the time.

Thank you for your lecture, Mr. Geneticist. Except that your hair follicles genetically prone to a DHT attack can't die, when there is no DHT in the blood. What about repeating a semester?

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Your wiener gives up on you and you grow b**ch tits? Just a guess.

The fact that you even didn't bother to try finasteride and now you are whining in the internet, that's your own fault, mister.

By the way, the 10-year study from Italy showed that the older you are, the better results you get, because your androgen levels decrease with age. Thus, when you reach 40 years and the drug works well, then it should basically work infinitely.

 

[I.D WALKER]

Our forum(s) protégé Desmond 84 might concur. I understand he's dosing at .25mgs. daily with finasteride. I have no idea what his hair loss situation really looks like, but he claims to have benefited?

I understand that lower doses of finasteride can be close in efficacy compared to the larger doses. Is this what you are referring to?

 

[JaySizzle]

finasteride is not a cure. There is NO cure. For those who are on finasteride and have no sides.. good on you. I had finasteride like sides even on SP, which included ball ache, and pretty bad anxiety. The anxiety creeped up on me after using SP for about 1 year straight. Had no idea what was causing my anxiety as work and life hadn't changed much. Work was actually less stressful. Anyways, immediately after I got off SP, my anxiety disappeared. Goes to show what kind of effect ****ing with your DHT will do (for me at least). Can't imagine the effects finasteride would have.

For those who are "optimistic" good for you. But you are only delaying the inevitable. The only way you will ever "avoid" baldness, is to get a hair transplant and be on finasteride for life.. Or be lucky enough to have enough dense donor hair to cover the majority of your crown.

Most men look alot better with a buzzed or shaved head, than the ones obviously trying to salvage they last few hairs they have.

And no I am not a NW5 cranky pessimist. I started MIN/nizoral about 6 years ago, and was able to maintain a Norwood 1 which was heading towards a NW2. Not until 2 years ago was when I felt my temples started to thin more.. I started spironolactone just under a year ago as I felt I was losing more ground at a faster pace. I am at a Norwood 2 right now and possibly heading to a NW3 in the near future. I am 32. I am going to stick with the spironolactone and MIN, but will evaluate after 2014. If I am not satisfied with the results, I will just buzz my head to a number 2.

 

[TeenageHairLossSuffer]

I'm not trying to be rude, but you guys fighting each other isn't what I asked for.