List Common Used Supplements That Are Poison For Your Hair In This Thread
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i was talking about supplements which give an unnatural high intake of certain micronutrients. the best is probably not to take supplements at all but i know in our capitalistic world dedicated to self improvement its apparently necessary.
i took l arginin, vitamin e, creatine and whey protein shakes for example
thus this list. so far every supplement connected to the gym culture seems to be harmful
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Nigella sativa (blackseed oil). Great against anxiety, but hair suicide (despite the fact that thymoquinone is supposed to block PGD2).
Iodine (messes with estrogen metabolism, makes me feel more androgenic and leads to shedding)
Vitamin K2 is rumored to increase testosterone, especially if you put it on your balls
Anything that increases DHT or androgens generally.
Iodine (messes with estrogen metabolism, makes me feel more androgenic and leads to shedding)
Vitamin K2 is rumored to increase testosterone, especially if you put it on your balls
Anything that increases DHT or androgens generally.
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Wasn't the percentage of converted DHT from testosterone only 10% ? If so, why should one worry about supplements if all what can they do is to slightly raise testosterone ?
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vitamin e supplementation lowers estrogen and raises testosterone up to 60%
https://www.anabolicmen.com/vitamin-e-testosterone/
i think everything tgat lowers estrogen or aromatase is poison for hair
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You guys do not have male pattern baldness because you have too much testosterone or DHT. Plenty of people here have low testosterone and low Dht ( me for example).
I think my two would be nicotine (blocks ER-Beta while leaving Alpha alone and is an aromatase inhibitor)
Ephedrine, constricts blood vessels, releases and acts like norepinephrine, can increase cortisol.
I think my two would be nicotine (blocks ER-Beta while leaving Alpha alone and is an aromatase inhibitor)
Ephedrine, constricts blood vessels, releases and acts like norepinephrine, can increase cortisol.
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and thats why finasteride works. because dht doesnt matter
its true 20% of men will never go bald and could probably inject dht 24/7 without getting any recession
for the other 80% fluctuation in testosterone and dht indeed can affect and speeding up the balding process.
thats why hairloss is a common side effect of roiding
but aromatase inhibitor seem to be even more poison than testosterone...
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Finasteride works not because it blocks production of serum DHT but because it blocks over expression of scalp/follicle DHT/5AR. That is why topical formulas work without reducing serum.
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Honestly I think that this thread is mostly pseudoscience.
The creatine-hair loss link for example is dubious, and has been debunked. What we have on creatine is a single mediocre study showing that creatine use increases serum levels of DHT, that's all. It doesn't tell you what kind of DHT, it doesn't tell you about scalp DHT (which is what matters more), it doesn't tell you about androgen receptors (which is what matters most), and it hasn't been replicated.
We don't understand hair loss well enough to manipulate supplements in this manner. Moreover, we don't understand supplements that well either. Most supplement studies are short-term, done on a small number of subjects, not replicated, and only look at a small number of variables -- like the creatine study. Further, they tend not to include proper dosing diagnostics, and a lot of companies lie about their ingredients. For example it was shown last summer that many manufacturers of supplements lie about their ingredients:
https://journals.humankinetics.com/doi/10.1123/ijsnem.2017-0018
So don't obsess over supplements unless it's a last resort.
Disclosure: I take small doses of zinc picolinate and magnesium chloride daily. I will discontinue once the bottles are empty. These are simple supplements, taken in small doses, and I do not take them because of my hair, but because of other reasons. The zinc is for the health of the male reproductive and urinary system and for skin health; the magnesium is for insulin sensitivity and improved mood/concentration.
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It's been shown in multiple studies that non-balding and balding men have the same serum levels of testosterone and dihydrotestosterone.
Balding men simply have a different distribution of androgen receptors. They have, if I recall correctly, ~3x more androgen receptors in the scalp. I expect that balding men have a different distribution of androgen receptors not just on the scalp but everywhere in the body, that would explain why they have higher rates of prostate cancer, heart disease, insulin resistance, and why women are instinctively less attracted to balding men.
Balding men might also have more T and DHT in the skin itself (I don't remember), which is different from T and DHT in the blood or in the brain, it has different effects and causes.
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doesnt change the fact that raising the dht lvl eg through injecting can speed up and accelerate the balding process
lets pretend we can clone a person three times aka all of them have the exact same distribution and numbers of adrogen receptors
now 1 of them injects dht
the second one does nothing
and the third takes finasteride
which one do you think will go bald first
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Vitamin E is well known to be estrogenic.
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I agree. Some of the most androgenic humans in the planet (middle eastern men and women) have f*****g amazing hair. It’s all about your genetics and how sensitive your follicles are.
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No. It’s not. That’s bs.
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Curcumin actually has been shown to reduce androgen receptor expression in certain tissues. The scalp, I am unsure. I take this with Resveratrol and D Limonene.
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There are a lot of balding women in India to. I work with some of them.
Some have good hair density. But it seems that in general they have less hair density though.
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"After knowing the above, it doesn’t come as that big of a surprise that in the study of Umeda et al. 483mg alpha-tocopherol fed to humans – and 1,500mg of the same stuff fed to rodents – increased total, free, plasma, and tissue testosterone levels quite nicely.
Testosterone aside, there are some other hormonal benefits to vitamin E too, such as the fact that it’s an antagonist to the estrogen receptorsand effectively reduces serum estrogen levels, while also suppressing prolactin levels and improving prostatic health without negatively affecting the enzyme 5-a reductase and DHT."
https://www.anabolicmen.com/vitamin-e-testosterone/