Hi, i'll get straight to the point. Exactly one year ago 21st bday, started to shed massive amount of hairs. That has continued aggressively. In the space of one year the amount of hair ive lossed is deppresssing and shocking. Used to have long thick hair, now its thinned completely. I have also receded considerably and am starting to get a slight bald patch on my crown. One year ago my head was stacked full of hair. Why?? male pattern baldness is not in my family, my dad is 55 and is only now just starting to recede. He has more hair than me! Both my grandfathers didnt bald until they hit their sixties. The only one is my dads brother who started to bald in his fourties. My mother also has very thick hair. One thing i do know is that i am a stressed person who lives a pressurised life. I have all the conditions of high cortisol levels. I am started to think is this massively speeding up my male pattern baldness. What do you guys think? How can one treat cortisol levels? Last week i ordered 6 months of propecia and also lots of Nizarol 1%. Im new here so your advice is much appreciated
male pattern baldness and cortisol levels.
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stress can spead up male pattern baldness but not that quickly... and all u need is one bald gene going around your family for u to have inherited it, although it is strange that u have it so strong when everyone else had it so much later... either way, first see if it really is male pattern baldness. r u losing hair on your sides and back too? if so, then it isn't male pattern baldness and propecia will do nothing for u. if you're not, then it is and propecia will be great. but u seem to have quite advanced hair loss so maybe even consider using dutasteride after your propecia runs out and you're still not satisfied. i'd recommend 0.5mg of dutasteride every 3 days but lots here take that every day!
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nobody will be able to tell you what's going on.
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If you are thinning noticeably on the sides and back, you need to have blood work done by a physician to rule out anemia, hypothyroidism, autoimmune diseases and hormone imbalances as your problem(s).
I will slightly disagree with what male pattern baldness said in that people with diffuse unpatterned alopecia(thinning all over) but who don't have medical issues as the source of their problems like those listed above can still respond to propecia sometimes, and reverse their hair loss, though it happens less often.
I will slightly disagree with what male pattern baldness said in that people with diffuse unpatterned alopecia(thinning all over) but who don't have medical issues as the source of their problems like those listed above can still respond to propecia sometimes, and reverse their hair loss, though it happens less often.
When i say thinnng, i mean the actual hairs have got thin/fine. All over my head, not just top. On the top of my head, yes i am losing hair as well. But i just cant believe it, this time last year i hadnt even started to recede a fraction and had very thick hair all over. Its looks like ive aged 10 years in the space of 1 year. I had a blood test on my thyroid done over 5 months ago now and it came back clear, but have not tested cortisol levels. I'll accept i have the male pattern baldness gene but the rapidity of it and the way it has happend i surely cant accept. Could it be that there is some sort of chemical imbalance in my body or something?
There hasn't been any response from AGVS, I hope his head hasn't fallen off too...
IF your Cortisol levels are too high, then you may be suffering from Adrenal Fatigue. Big problem.
Granted that the human body can be very responsive to adjustments made in lifestyle and diet, the underlying problem with Adrenal Fatigue is that it's simply not something you can stop overnight.
The life we lead as people of the civilized world today is highly stressful both mentally and physically. For years we have been abusing ourselves, from young childhood to our adolescent years, through to the our early twenties and beyond.
This accumulation of poor lifestyle and diet all result in one bi-product and that is stress which if left unchecked can and often does result in Adrenal Fatigue.
Many people have A.F. and don't even know it and some never will. They will live their lives highly strung out, burnt out and often will succumb to illness.
A.F. is very serious and I have little doubt that it is a dominating factor for some people regarding their hair loss.
IF your Cortisol levels are too high, then you may be suffering from Adrenal Fatigue. Big problem.
Granted that the human body can be very responsive to adjustments made in lifestyle and diet, the underlying problem with Adrenal Fatigue is that it's simply not something you can stop overnight.
The life we lead as people of the civilized world today is highly stressful both mentally and physically. For years we have been abusing ourselves, from young childhood to our adolescent years, through to the our early twenties and beyond.
This accumulation of poor lifestyle and diet all result in one bi-product and that is stress which if left unchecked can and often does result in Adrenal Fatigue.
Many people have A.F. and don't even know it and some never will. They will live their lives highly strung out, burnt out and often will succumb to illness.
A.F. is very serious and I have little doubt that it is a dominating factor for some people regarding their hair loss.
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Receeding hairline, thinning crown? Its m.p.b plain and simple change your diet if you want but it wont effect your hairloss.
Why does everyone jump on the 'it must be stress related' theory when they first start losing their hair?
I look at my boss's at work (we have about 8 line managers) and they are under constant pressure to produce work to deadlines. They rush around in a continual state of panic often losing it completly and flying into a rage at people, only stopping at breaktimes to chain smoke 4 fags in 20mins and drink 2 cups of coffee. All but one of them have been off with stress in the last 2 yrs and been on medication for it. We've had one commit suicide and one had a heart attack aged 50 in the last yr alone.
And my reason for telling you this? All of them have thick heads of hair the worst is a nw2. You may say that this is just a conincidence but nearly everybody will experience stress during their lives and I doubt that the majority of us on here have it any worse than the average guy.
Why does everyone jump on the 'it must be stress related' theory when they first start losing their hair?
I look at my boss's at work (we have about 8 line managers) and they are under constant pressure to produce work to deadlines. They rush around in a continual state of panic often losing it completly and flying into a rage at people, only stopping at breaktimes to chain smoke 4 fags in 20mins and drink 2 cups of coffee. All but one of them have been off with stress in the last 2 yrs and been on medication for it. We've had one commit suicide and one had a heart attack aged 50 in the last yr alone.
And my reason for telling you this? All of them have thick heads of hair the worst is a nw2. You may say that this is just a conincidence but nearly everybody will experience stress during their lives and I doubt that the majority of us on here have it any worse than the average guy.
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interesting observations saf... but what if all of them dont suffer male pattern baldness? and the nw2 is just someone born with a nw2 or just had hairline maturation at some point in his early life?
i think it would be more conclusive if you observed a nw3 not progress despite all the rage and stress... and ofcourse you'll have to be certain he's not on meds.
i think it would be more conclusive if you observed a nw3 not progress despite all the rage and stress... and ofcourse you'll have to be certain he's not on meds.
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buzzmenot said:
Thats my point entirely their hair is due to genetics only and all the stress is not causing them to lose hair.
How often do you see a newbie come on here and detail his hairloss (usualy something like starting to receed, crown starting to thin over past year or so) then they always add "well I have been a bit stressed this last year" or "I have been eating badly." It seems that the first thing everybody does is look for an excuse rather than just accept the facts.
Its a fact that most people in their early adulthood will suffer from stress to some degree. This is because of new responsibilities career, mortgage etc your having to adjust from your carefree teenage years. But this is'nt going to make you lose your hair.
But what does happen for many men in their early 20's is the start of the dreaded m.p.b.
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my bad, missunderstood your post as a conjecture that male pattern baldness is not accelerated by stress. i still think it's accelerated though, my army buddies that i met in my teens all went norwood 2 after bootcamp and so did i in a span of 3 months. years down when we were done with our time and went back to sitting on our asses and eating crap, most of us went to nw3 within a year cept one guy on meds.
i know this paragraph is not clear proof of stress/diet doing us in either, but im just skeptical. 3 generations up my family tree of both mom and pap, i'm the only one to loose my hair on hitting 20. im also the only one that had to work my *** off during my teens and early adulthood to make ends meet. it's a pretty clean family tree too. only one paternal uncle to hit nw2 after age 32 and only one maternal grandpa with nw2 at age 60! rest are nw1s... so is my older brother..
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i know this paragraph is not clear proof of stress/diet doing us in either, but im just skeptical. 3 generations up my family tree of both mom and pap, i'm the only one to loose my hair on hitting 20. im also the only one that had to work my *** off during my teens and early adulthood to make ends meet. it's a pretty clean family tree too. only one paternal uncle to hit nw2 after age 32 and only one maternal grandpa with nw2 at age 60! rest are nw1s... so is my older brother..
sigh..
I have to disagree and say that adrenal fatigue and the induced incident of cortisol is completely different from feeling stressed at a job.... I suffer from stage 3 adrenal fatigue (low morning cortisol, very low normal noon cortisol, very high evening cortisol, very high late night cortisol)....... my hair loss has been slow/gradual over the past 3 years affecting my entire head in a thinning/miniaturizing manner, no recession, no balding... I work as a federal law enforcemnet agent and I fly consitantly (5 days week/ 2-3 flights a day) and I am a work out/fitness finatic..(190lb, 7% bf, extremely clean diet, but I was guillty of using stimulants for many, many years ie...ephedra, caffeine) between the jet lag, excessive excercising and CNS-central nervous system stimulators (ephedra/caffiene) my cortisol levels shot through the roof and my adrenals crapped out... one day in dec 05 I was about to do one of my workouts, popped an ephedra and the sh*t didnt work... normally I pop an ephedra and within 5 minutes and I had incredible energy, its just didnt work anymore for me.... I have been off ephedra/caffeine for almost a year now and my adrenals/cortisol are still out of whack (low adrenal funciton, high cortisol, low dhea-s and low HGH/IGF-1 !!!!! I still suffer from thinning/miniaturizing hair all over my head, still no recession, no balding, facial hair is thinning/miniaturizing and pubic/under arm hair is a little thinner/less dense than normal.... Now adrenal fatigue/high cortisol suppresses thyroid hormone.... the body cannot convert T4 to the more biological active T3 in the presence of high or low cortisol, it gets suppressed, the kicker is that your TSH, T4, T3 levels will still look normal on blood tests but the body just isnt utilizing them effeciently... Also adrenal fatigue/cortisol robs and depletes the body of necessary and vital nutrients minerals such as magnesium, b vitamins, zinc, copper, iron, etc.... just to name a few.. everything gets out of whack and effected.... also adrenal fatigue affects androgen production, sometimes suppressing testosterone while increasing estrogen or increasing both testosterone and estrogne.... the body is completely out of whack... so when u look at the big picture of adrenal, cortisol, thyroid and hormones its all intertwined and much much more complex than a feeling of being mentally stressed at a job... adrenal fatigue is a physical endocrine stress which can lead to coma or death if not treated quickly or properly... I dont think any manager or employee is gonna fall into a coma if a dealine isnt met........
Feeling stressed from a job is only a contributing factor towards Adrenal Fatigue.
Someone who is highly stressed usually (I say usually) leads a lifestyle that is representative of such a state.
Stress at work, at home, about money, your career, your mortgage, your relationship, mental and physical all cause people to live their life in an habitual state of impurity.
From the impure, enzyme and nutrient deprived food you eat, the hours you work, the lack of sleep you get, the lack of real sunlight absorbed by the eyes (for modulation of proper sleep) and the skin for necessary Vitamin D absorption, from the cigarettes you smoke, the narcotics you put up your nose or in your veins, the alcohol you drink, the negative thinking that permeates the vast majority of the 60,000 odd thoughts per day that you have, to name a few, all result in one thing and thats STRESS. Stress on your body, your organs, your cells, YOU!
We repeat this day in day out for years on end and we call this LIFE. But sooner or later it all catches up with us and some more than others. Some people will develop cardiovascular diseases, some will develop cancers, diabetes and so forth. Some will carry full heads of hair to their grave, many won't and many will lose hair as a result of their LIFESTYLE.
Some people will pop Propecia, some will rub on minoxidil, others will mix concoctions of lotions, potions, herbs, vitamins and minerals. Some will have success and some won't. Why? Because, lifestyle.
Whilst hair loss is often genetic by cause, it is not the only cause of what we coin genuine male pattern baldness. Lifestyle certainly can mitigate the beginning of male pattern baldness, rate or hair loss and the effectiveness of medications.
We seem to grant serious credence to the fact that male pattern baldness is purely genetic and nothing else. I can appreciate this fact for what it is worth but I struggle to understand a few fundamentals.
The genetic result of male pattern baldness is a NW7 horseshoe pattern. If this genetic result is the same in all those suffering from genuine male pattern baldness then why do some people respond to treatments and not others?
Is it the severity of the gene?
Is it the combination of certain variables being met in your biological state of being that dictate the effectiveness?
If the end result (NW7) is the same for all with male pattern baldness and some people respond to conventional treatments such as Propecia it would be theoretically correct to say we should all respond the same.
Ok, BUT we simply do not! I know this, you know this, we all know this though CAN anyone tell me why? No, no one can.
"We are all different..." - I've heard it all before.
The end result for male pattern baldness sufferers is the same, the effectiveness of treatments is not.
This purely suggests to me that for those where the treatment works, certain variables are met by way of requirement as opposed to in those people where by treatment does not work because certain variables are not met.
Does this question only plague me? Surely researches alike should be equally as fascinated as the how and why as I am, as you are, as everyone is?
Before embarking on new attempts at curing male pattern baldness researchers need to analyze the conditions and variables which are being met and not met in male pattern baldness sufferings to understand why treatments are effective for some but not for others. Yes, this would require an extensive set of rules for testing, but this information I believe is crucial in moving towards more preventative measures and moving away from curative measures which often comes too little too late.
Someone who is highly stressed usually (I say usually) leads a lifestyle that is representative of such a state.
Stress at work, at home, about money, your career, your mortgage, your relationship, mental and physical all cause people to live their life in an habitual state of impurity.
From the impure, enzyme and nutrient deprived food you eat, the hours you work, the lack of sleep you get, the lack of real sunlight absorbed by the eyes (for modulation of proper sleep) and the skin for necessary Vitamin D absorption, from the cigarettes you smoke, the narcotics you put up your nose or in your veins, the alcohol you drink, the negative thinking that permeates the vast majority of the 60,000 odd thoughts per day that you have, to name a few, all result in one thing and thats STRESS. Stress on your body, your organs, your cells, YOU!
We repeat this day in day out for years on end and we call this LIFE. But sooner or later it all catches up with us and some more than others. Some people will develop cardiovascular diseases, some will develop cancers, diabetes and so forth. Some will carry full heads of hair to their grave, many won't and many will lose hair as a result of their LIFESTYLE.
Some people will pop Propecia, some will rub on minoxidil, others will mix concoctions of lotions, potions, herbs, vitamins and minerals. Some will have success and some won't. Why? Because, lifestyle.
Whilst hair loss is often genetic by cause, it is not the only cause of what we coin genuine male pattern baldness. Lifestyle certainly can mitigate the beginning of male pattern baldness, rate or hair loss and the effectiveness of medications.
We seem to grant serious credence to the fact that male pattern baldness is purely genetic and nothing else. I can appreciate this fact for what it is worth but I struggle to understand a few fundamentals.
The genetic result of male pattern baldness is a NW7 horseshoe pattern. If this genetic result is the same in all those suffering from genuine male pattern baldness then why do some people respond to treatments and not others?
Is it the severity of the gene?
Is it the combination of certain variables being met in your biological state of being that dictate the effectiveness?
If the end result (NW7) is the same for all with male pattern baldness and some people respond to conventional treatments such as Propecia it would be theoretically correct to say we should all respond the same.
Ok, BUT we simply do not! I know this, you know this, we all know this though CAN anyone tell me why? No, no one can.
"We are all different..." - I've heard it all before.
The end result for male pattern baldness sufferers is the same, the effectiveness of treatments is not.
This purely suggests to me that for those where the treatment works, certain variables are met by way of requirement as opposed to in those people where by treatment does not work because certain variables are not met.
Does this question only plague me? Surely researches alike should be equally as fascinated as the how and why as I am, as you are, as everyone is?
Before embarking on new attempts at curing male pattern baldness researchers need to analyze the conditions and variables which are being met and not met in male pattern baldness sufferings to understand why treatments are effective for some but not for others. Yes, this would require an extensive set of rules for testing, but this information I believe is crucial in moving towards more preventative measures and moving away from curative measures which often comes too little too late.
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Thanks Axon, some people may lose hair (thinning) due to stress but nobody ever went bald because of it. No amount of stress will ever be as bad for hairloss as genetic m.p.b. It always bugged the hell out of me when I was losing my hair and people would tell me its because of stress.
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This debate confuses me
In many people (probably all, if we look close enough), male pattern baldness has an immune system component. A hyperfunctional androgen receptor is promoting a pro-inflammatory and pro-fibrotic environment.
Cortisol downregulates both the immune system and any inflammatory processes, which means that it would actually help hair loss in the long run. It would protect the body from itself.
Cortisol causes gluconeogenesis and is an antagonist to insulin. It also decreases IGF-1 and GH levels. In case anyone has forgotten, IGF-1 is believed to be on of the growth factors for hair growth.
So, the question is, does increased cortisol cause male pattern baldness or does it simply downregulate the production of pro-growth mediators causing shedding and hair thinning as the hair no longer has healthy growth signals?
The other thing you guys need to figure out is why would IGF-1 cause hair growth and Insulin cause hair loss when they can use the exact same cellular receptors.
In many people (probably all, if we look close enough), male pattern baldness has an immune system component. A hyperfunctional androgen receptor is promoting a pro-inflammatory and pro-fibrotic environment.
Cortisol downregulates both the immune system and any inflammatory processes, which means that it would actually help hair loss in the long run. It would protect the body from itself.
Cortisol causes gluconeogenesis and is an antagonist to insulin. It also decreases IGF-1 and GH levels. In case anyone has forgotten, IGF-1 is believed to be on of the growth factors for hair growth.
So, the question is, does increased cortisol cause male pattern baldness or does it simply downregulate the production of pro-growth mediators causing shedding and hair thinning as the hair no longer has healthy growth signals?
The other thing you guys need to figure out is why would IGF-1 cause hair growth and Insulin cause hair loss when they can use the exact same cellular receptors.
docj,
Yes, if someone were suffering from male pattern baldness "suffering from male pattern baldness" than maybe your stress concept about suppressing the immune system would actually help in "theory".... the problem is that stress also suppresses the harmonic hormone/endocrine functionality of the body.... why do you think that people who have been diagnosed with adrenal fatigue also have accompanying thyroid problems... thyroid also regulates hair growth/loss that have no connection what so ever to male pattern baldness.... A hypothyroid hairloss pattern usually presents itself as DUPA-diffused unpatterned alopecia as well induces possible Telegon Effluvium... Deficiencies of zinc, iron (ferritin), copper, etc. also contribute to hairloss and hair growth problems presented in the same way as thyroid patterns... All hair loss is not based on predetermined genetics such as male pattern baldness, why does thyroid, thymus, pituatary and liver diseases/problems contribute to hairloss and growth then....
I see whats going on, its all clear.... You have the people that already know they are suffering from male pattern baldness and they want everybody else to be lumped in the same group and proclaim that there are no other causes of hair loss.. it would be fine if it were that simple, but its not......
Yes, if someone were suffering from male pattern baldness "suffering from male pattern baldness" than maybe your stress concept about suppressing the immune system would actually help in "theory".... the problem is that stress also suppresses the harmonic hormone/endocrine functionality of the body.... why do you think that people who have been diagnosed with adrenal fatigue also have accompanying thyroid problems... thyroid also regulates hair growth/loss that have no connection what so ever to male pattern baldness.... A hypothyroid hairloss pattern usually presents itself as DUPA-diffused unpatterned alopecia as well induces possible Telegon Effluvium... Deficiencies of zinc, iron (ferritin), copper, etc. also contribute to hairloss and hair growth problems presented in the same way as thyroid patterns... All hair loss is not based on predetermined genetics such as male pattern baldness, why does thyroid, thymus, pituatary and liver diseases/problems contribute to hairloss and growth then....
I see whats going on, its all clear.... You have the people that already know they are suffering from male pattern baldness and they want everybody else to be lumped in the same group and proclaim that there are no other causes of hair loss.. it would be fine if it were that simple, but its not......
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shyguy said:
You can't assume that a hypo- or hyperstimulated endocrine gland will be connected to a much larger disease process involving numerous other glands. That's not always the case, because each gland has its own feedback mechanisms. There are neoplastic syndromes that can encompass numerous glands, however.
I would expect adrenal fatigue and a thyroid disorder in a 500 lbs. individual, but not in a healthy person with male pattern baldness.
Obviously, if you start losing hair, you need to have your adrenals, your thyroid, and your pituitary gland checked for abnormalities. In reality, blaming male pattern baldness on an endocrine disorder will simply leave you searching for countless years and spending thousands of dollars on tests for problems that one can see by simply looking at the signs their body chooses to display proudly for them.
Elevated or decreased cortisol, thyroid, and pituitary all have obvious physical manifestations.
Also, I disagree with targeting the thymus for any disorder other than an immune disorder. However, not everyone has an immune component.
Docj,
I agree with what you are saying and the points you are making but Adrenal fatigue/problems can happen and be manifested in a number of ways other than being obese or other natural causes.... In my case, I induced adrenal fatigue because of over excersing, lack of sleep, jet lag, stimulant use, and too clean of a diet (cut almost all fats out of my diet for almost 3 -4 years).... I got down to 4% body fat at my best , I was so extremely ripped and tight but now I am paying the price for it..... also, the thymus and autoimmune diseases go hand and hand in a lot of cases......
Also, if someone is losing their hair not in an male pattern baldness style or way then there is nothing wrong in assuming that it might be something else if there are other accompanying signs or symptoms indicating so... ie thyroid problems are symptoms of fatigue, low energy, 1/3 outer eyebrow loss, dry skin, etc... etc... now if someone were experiencing diffuse hair loss all over their head with those accompanying symtpoms then there would be a definate possibility that its a thyroid problem.... again if one were fatigued, low blood pressure, slow metabolism, elevated/depressed cortisol, losing body hair, or have thinning pubic/auxillary hair accompanied with diffused all over hair loss then it would a strong possiblity of adrenal fatigue w/ a thyroid disorder... there are also signs that someone is suffering from male pattern baldness/dht.. possible symptoms are oily scalp, acne, increased/stronger growing body hair, raised libido, increased/stronger growing facial hair, male pattern baldness style hair loss patterns ie.. horse shoe, receding hairline, etc....
In my case I have diffuse all over hair loss, no recession, no balding... I have no oily scalp, facial hair is growing slower, no increased body hair, no acne, no male pattern baldness pattern, libido in the crapper...
I do however have thinning pubic/under arm hair, fatigue, thinning facial hair, scalp and facial hair is changing color from brown to copper/blonde.........
Now if you were me what would you think you suffered from.... nothing is pointing to male pattern baldness, everything is pointing to thyroid/adrenal especially the blood/lab tests....
but in the end I agree that if someone looks at their hair loss and thinks its not male pattern baldness and they are basing there decision with no other symptoms to defer or support that determination that is being stupid and unreasonable.....
I agree with what you are saying and the points you are making but Adrenal fatigue/problems can happen and be manifested in a number of ways other than being obese or other natural causes.... In my case, I induced adrenal fatigue because of over excersing, lack of sleep, jet lag, stimulant use, and too clean of a diet (cut almost all fats out of my diet for almost 3 -4 years).... I got down to 4% body fat at my best , I was so extremely ripped and tight but now I am paying the price for it..... also, the thymus and autoimmune diseases go hand and hand in a lot of cases......
Also, if someone is losing their hair not in an male pattern baldness style or way then there is nothing wrong in assuming that it might be something else if there are other accompanying signs or symptoms indicating so... ie thyroid problems are symptoms of fatigue, low energy, 1/3 outer eyebrow loss, dry skin, etc... etc... now if someone were experiencing diffuse hair loss all over their head with those accompanying symtpoms then there would be a definate possibility that its a thyroid problem.... again if one were fatigued, low blood pressure, slow metabolism, elevated/depressed cortisol, losing body hair, or have thinning pubic/auxillary hair accompanied with diffused all over hair loss then it would a strong possiblity of adrenal fatigue w/ a thyroid disorder... there are also signs that someone is suffering from male pattern baldness/dht.. possible symptoms are oily scalp, acne, increased/stronger growing body hair, raised libido, increased/stronger growing facial hair, male pattern baldness style hair loss patterns ie.. horse shoe, receding hairline, etc....
In my case I have diffuse all over hair loss, no recession, no balding... I have no oily scalp, facial hair is growing slower, no increased body hair, no acne, no male pattern baldness pattern, libido in the crapper...
I do however have thinning pubic/under arm hair, fatigue, thinning facial hair, scalp and facial hair is changing color from brown to copper/blonde.........
Now if you were me what would you think you suffered from.... nothing is pointing to male pattern baldness, everything is pointing to thyroid/adrenal especially the blood/lab tests....
but in the end I agree that if someone looks at their hair loss and thinks its not male pattern baldness and they are basing there decision with no other symptoms to defer or support that determination that is being stupid and unreasonable.....