More Blood flow to my head and scalp doubled my hair volume

devinhubbard

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Hey guys,

I'm not sure this makes sense or not, wondering if you've heard anything. I have multiple sclerosis, and it turns out the disease is caused by a lack of blood flow into and out of the brain. I received this new treatment to open up my jugular veins, thus allowing more blood to flow into and out of my head.
Suffice it so say, all my MS symptoms went away. But then there was a bonus. I was at my hair stylist, and she said that my hair had gotten thicker, almost like suede, since the month before. She asked me if I was taking any new product. I said no, but told her about my treatment.
She said that made sense that my hair got thicker. Products like nioxin and others attempt to bring more blood to the scalp. Since my head was not getting the amount of fresh blood it was supposed to, my hair thinned.
Does this make sense? Is there a scalp blood flow connection to hair loss?

thanks
Devin
 

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If you aren't getting enough blood to your head you would probably have hair loss problems.

However, it's not related to male pattern baldness. That has nothing to do with blood flow.
 

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finfighter said:
Vasodilators do improve the symptoms of male pattern baldness, such as Minoxidil....

_Some_ vasodilators do that, like ones in the same chemical family as minoxidil and diazoxide. Others have no such effect. It's not vasodilation itself which improves hair, but something else common to those specific drugs.
 

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finfighter said:
That may or may not be the case, the juries still out in my opinion.

It's common knowledge! We discussed it several times with Dr. Proctor, way back on alt.baldspot. It's just an urban myth for people to assume that vasodilators in general cause hair growth, just because of minoxidil. But that old, mistaken idea has been contradicted and explained LOTS of times on hairloss sites over the years! :)
 

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Dr. Proctor has said for a long time that minoxidil works for hair growth (and probably its vasodilation effect) because of the part of its molecular structure that mimics nitric oxide.
 

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finfighter said:
Bryan said:
Dr. Proctor has said for a long time that minoxidil works for hair growth (and probably its vasodilation effect) because of the part of its molecular structure that mimics nitric oxide.


That is a novel theory , but it is just that a theory, nothing indisputably demonstrates this to be a fact....

LOL!! Why don't you call or email Dr. Proctor and tell him that? :)

He's been making scholarly posts on alt.baldspot for YEARS about the wonderful effects of nitric oxide on the hair follicle, among other benefits. As he's pointed-out numerous times, there's an actual Web site dedicated to nitric oxide and its effects! The stuff is THAT important!

By the way, he says that's also how NANO stimulates hair growth, too: by the action of the part of the NANO molecule which mimics nitric oxide.
 

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finfighter said:
Are you aware that Diazoxide is a Potassium Chanel Opener as well?

Yes, I believe it is.

finfighter said:
This may be telling. As I suspected, it may be due to the Potassium Chanel Opening properties of certain Vasodilators....

Yes. By the way, I'll mention here that by no means is it a new theory that minoxidil's effect on hair growth _may_ be due to its effect as a potassium channel opener. That's something that's been mentioned and discussed for YEARS (at least by people who don't still think that its effect on hair comes from vasodilation! :) ), especially on alt.baldspot.
 

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finfighter said:
The fact that he is a MD does not give every one of his theories legitimacy, as I said before it is just one persons theory with zero clinical studies to verify it's legitimacy! Forum posts (alt.baldspot) aside LOL!!!!

Yawn. He's both an MD and a PhD, and has been researching this stuff for DECADES, and has numerous patents in this field. If you don't want to believe what he says about nitric oxide's effect on hair (or the effect of superoxide and peroxynitrite, or numerous other things he writes about eloquently), then don't believe it. It's YOUR hair, and you can believe any damned thing you want about what you should do with it! :smack:
 

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Bryan said:
finfighter said:
Vasodilators do improve the symptoms of male pattern baldness, such as Minoxidil....

_Some_ vasodilators do that, like ones in the same chemical family as minoxidil and diazoxide. Others have no such effect. It's not vasodilation itself which improves hair, but something else common to those specific drugs.

NO , it doesn't

http://journals.lww.com/plasreconsu..._Male_Pattern_Baldness_with_Botulinum.79.aspx


We would like to present the results of an open-label pilot study using botulinum toxin type A (Botox; Allergan, Inc., Irvine, Calif.) for the treatment of androgenetic alopecia. This form of alopecia is believed to be caused by a genetically predisposed sensitivity of hair follicles to the toxic effects of dihydrotestosterone, a metabolite of testosterone. Medical treatment of androgenetic alopecia has previously only been moderately effective using systemic drugs such as finasteride, a 5?-reductase inhibitor.1

In this ethically approved study, 50 male subjects aged between 19 and 57 years with Norwood/Hamilton ratings of II to IV participated.2 The study was 60 weeks in duration, with 12 weeks of run-in followed by two treatment cycles of 24 weeks each. Subjects were injected with 150 units of Botox (5 units per 0.1 ml saline) into the muscles surrounding the scalp, including frontalis, temporalis, periauricular, and occipitalis muscles in equally divided doses over 30 injection sites. The primary outcome measure was a change in hair count in a fixed 2-cm area using a method described by Canfield.3 Secondary outcome measures included hair loss, measured by having subjects collect loose hair from their pillow with a sticky lint roller, and subjective efficacy using a validated questionnaire. Statistical analysis entailed paired t tests of group means.

Forty subjects completed the study, and no adverse effects were reported. The treatment response rate was 75 percent. Mean hair counts for the entire group showed a statistically significant (p < 0.0001) increase of 18 percent between baseline and week 48 (Table 1), similar to the results reported with Propecia (Merck, Whitehouse Station, N.J.).1 Hair regrowth was objectively visible in some subjects (Fig. 1). Secondary outcome measures were also significantly improved. The reduction in hair loss and increase in hair count did not show a statistically significant correlation. This suggested that longer retention of terminal hairs did not account for the increase in hair count.

Mechanistically, the scalp behaves like a drum skin with tensioning muscles around the periphery. These muscle groups—the frontalis, occipitalis, and periauricular muscles and to a minor degree the temporalis—can create a “tightâ€￾ scalp when chronically active. Because the blood supply to the scalp enters through the periphery, a reduction in blood flow would be most apparent at the distal ends of the vessels, specifically, the vertex and frontal peaks. Areas of the scalp with sparse hair growth have been shown to be relatively hypoxic, have slow capillary refill, and to have high levels of dihydrotestosterone.4

Conceptually, Botox “loosensâ€￾ the scalp, reducing pressure on the perforating vasculature, thereby increasing blood flow and oxygen concentration. The enzymatic conversion of testosterone to dihydrotestosterone is oxygen dependent. In low-oxygen environments, the conversion of testosterone to dihydrotestosterone is favored; whereas in high-oxygen environments, more testosterone is converted to estradiol.4 Blood flow may therefore be a primary determinant in follicular health. Strategically placed Botox injections appear able to indirectly modify this variable, resulting in reduced hair loss and new hair growth in some men with androgenetic alopecia.
 

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So people have a lack of bloodflow to the scalp causing m.p.b but strangely enough their bloodflow to the horseshoe region seems to be ok. :jackit:

Just remember its that bloodflow which is delivering DHT straight to your follicles. :whistle:

The old bloodflow theory has been proven to be rubbish since the early 1990's. I ranks up there along with stress and lack of Iron.
 

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s.a.f said:
So people have a lack of bloodflow to the scalp causing m.p.b but strangely enough their bloodflow to the horseshoe region seems to be ok. :jackit:

Just remember its that bloodflow which is delivering DHT straight to your follicles. :whistle:

The old bloodflow theory has been proven to be rubbish since the early 1990's. I ranks up there along with stress and lack of Iron.

I believe I read somewhere that the DHT attached is causing reduced bloodflow. Since the horseshoe doesnt have AR the bloodflow is not blocked by anything there
 

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s.a.f said:
So people have a lack of bloodflow to the scalp causing m.p.b but strangely enough their bloodflow to the horseshoe region seems to be ok. :jackit:

Just remember its that bloodflow which is delivering DHT straight to your follicles. :whistle:

The old bloodflow theory has been proven to be rubbish since the early 1990's. I ranks up there along with stress and lack of Iron.

If you actually cared to visit the website and read a little about the article , you're critisizing , you would have seen that it doesn't have to to with the "blood flow" itself but whith hypoxia

"The enzymatic conversion of testosterone to dihydrotestosterone is oxygen dependent. In low-oxygen environments, the conversion of testosterone to dihydrotestosterone is favored; whereas in high-oxygen environments, more testosterone is converted to estradiol."

Hence "blood flow" isn't necessarily the primary cause of male pattern baldness , but enhabcing it might be a way to "attack" it .
 

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I'm always amazed how people can see spectacular results in a single month.
My hair grows at best just 1cm after a month of shaving it completely

If you are going to make outrageous claims in your first post at least make them credible :thumbdown2:
 

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bigentries said:
I'm always amazed how people can see spectacular results in a single month.
My hair grows at best just 1cm after a month of shaving it completely

If you are going to make outrageous claims in your first post at least make them credible :thumbdown2:

I saw/ felt to the touch, results from spironolactone in a matter of days ( lets say half a month ) , and I'm not talking about regrowth of new hair , but thickening of the existing ones .
But I have to agree post of the OP is weird .
 

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finfighter said:
Bryan said:
finfighter said:
That may or may not be the case, the juries still out in my opinion.

It's common knowledge! We discussed it several times with Dr. Proctor, way back on alt.baldspot. It's just an urban myth for people to assume that vasodilators in general cause hair growth, just because of minoxidil. But that old, mistaken idea has been contradicted and explained LOTS of times on hairloss sites over the years! :)



I never said that vasodilators in general did. I did say that the jury (concerning the Method of action of Minoxidil's hair growth properties) is still out, it could be either because-

A. It is a vasodilator.

B. It is a Potassium Chanel Opener.

Neither causes have been scientifically determined to be the cause, yet it is one of them.

While I think it most likely to caused by B there is no indisputable proof to demonstrate this.
Other people think that NO production is implicated with the action of minoxidil, even interactions with inmunitary system or trought endocrine system. The exact mechanism is not yet established.
 

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devinhubbard said:
...and it turns out the disease is caused by a lack of blood flow into and out of the brain.
:shock:

  • MS is caused by damage to the myelin sheath, the protective covering that surrounds nerve cells. When this nerve covering is damaged, nerve impulses are slowed down or stopped.
    The nerve damage is caused by inflammation. Inflammation occurs when the body's own immune cells attack the nervous system. Repeated episodes of inflammation can occur along any area of the brain, optic nerve, and spinal cord.


devinhubbard said:
...I received this new treatment to open up my jugular veins, thus allowing more blood to flow into and out of my head. Suffice it so say, all my MS symptoms went away.
:shock:

What exactly was your treatment?

  • There is no known cure for multiple sclerosis at this time.
    Medications used to slow the progression of multiple sclerosis are taken on a long-term basis, they include:

    Interferons (Avonex, Betaseron, or Rebif), glatiramer acetate (Copaxone), mitoxantrone (Novantrone), and natalizumab (Tysabri)
    Fingolimod (Gilenya )
    Methotrexate, azathioprine (Imuran), intravenous immunoglobulin (IVIg) and cyclophosphamide (Cytoxan) may also be used if the above drugs are not working well
    Steroids may be used to decrease the severity of attacks.

    Medications to control symptoms may include:

    Medicines to reduce muscle spasms such as Lioresal (Baclofen), tizanidine (Zanaflex), or a benzodiazepine
    Cholinergic medications to reduce urinary problems
    Antidepressants for mood or behavior symptoms
    Amantadine for fatigue


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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0001747
 

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idontwanttobebalding said:
Let the person respond before you call him a liar. If you reread his post he explained it was months since he began treatment for MS. Also, just like with being deficient in anything, the most dramatic results occur at the begining. I have other thoughts but will keep them to myself. Just don't assume someone is a liar. He is not selling anything.
Where does he says it's been months?
He just said he went to the stylist the month before and he could see the results

It's not like he is somehow lying, but many around here delude themselves when they claim they see spectacular results in a short amount of time.
If you are slick bald and suddenly have little hairs all over your head after a month of treatment, then that is an spectacular result.

If you see your hair "thicker" or with more density after a month, and you wear your hair at a decent length then you are probably lying to someone
 

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LooseItAll said:
I believe I read somewhere that the DHT attached is causing reduced bloodflow. Since the horseshoe doesnt have AR the bloodflow is not blocked by anything there

I assume that by "AR", you mean "androgen receptor". All scalp hair follicles contain androgen receptors.
 

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armandein said:
Other people think that NO production is implicated with the action of minoxidil...

I assume that by "NO", you are referring to "nitric oxide". I hope my friend finfighter sees this! :)
 
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