New discoveries on Hair-Loss!!!

[Solo]

I´ve read in the "other" hair loss forum a post about an study some people have made where they have regrow a ton of hair in a bald guy using stem cells from umbillical cord blood.

It seems people are getting excited over this...


I don´t know how are relations between this and the "other" forum, so I don´t include any link, please go and check if you´re interested. There´s a link to the results of the study in the original post.

 

[TAINTED-MEAT]

this is a hair loss site, it doesn't matter where you get the info. We are all here cause we want our hair, so go ahead and put the link up.

 

[HARM1]

I´ve read in the "other" hair loss forum a post about an study some people have made where they have regrow a ton of hair in a bald guy using stem cells from umbillical cord blood.

It seems people are getting excited over this...


I don´t know how are relations between this and the "other" forum, so I don´t include any link, please go and check if you´re interested. There´s a link to the results of the study in the original post.

Do post a link

 

[CCS]

if you post a link, people will read it here. if you don't post it, you are sending people over there. I don't think the admin will mind you posting a link here.

 

[Aplunk1]

http://www.hairlosshelp.com/forums/mess ... adid=61107

I read this, too.

The patent was only issued a month ago.

It's very sound, scientifically.

It could be a possible cure.

 

[jimmystanley]

encredible....but yeah..it's always possible that they're faking it

 

[Solo]

Ok then, but Aplunk was faster than me!!!


It sounds good.


Too good.

If it does something good to the hair it has to make something bad as a counter-effect.

OMG, if finasteride makes you grow tits and lose some libido and only regrows a tad of hair (or so), this sh*t is going to kill your whole family if it´s true it can regrow hair from slick bald!!

 

[Apoc]

Umbilical cord blood is not some drug. It's a natural thing. The only thing I fail to see here is how is this different from HM except one cells are derived from your follicles and the others from uc blood. Also I fail to see how uc blood cells could grow DHT resistant hair which HM should.

 

[elguapo]

This is my take on those questions. But I could be wrong...

One difference between using umb. blood and using cells extracted from your own hair would be that the doctors don't have to cut a piece of your scalp to extract those cells, if you can just get it from your umb. blood. I guess I am assuming that they are talking about a person using his or her OWN umb. blood, saved over the years. Is this true? Also, this might not even require the process of culturing those extracted cells (not sure if HM uses stem cells or more "matured" or differentiated follicular cells), which would mean a cheaper process, and one that already exists, rather than the one that still needs to be worked on, or invented. But I agree, the fundamental idea is the same. Except, maybe they don't even need to worry about direction with the umbillical blood?

The other point about growing DHT resistant hair is a good one. How do they know that the implanted umb. cells won't generate hair with the same "clock" that is susceptible to DHT down the road? Wherewas with HM, they are taking cells from follicles on the sides of the head, which aren't affected by DHT.

To be honest, I'm not sure I believe the umbillical blood story. I'm doutful. But what do I know?

 

[Solo]

No, I think that stem cells are not "recipients" of genetic info, but "developers", saying it grossly.


Stem cells are universal.

Sorry but it would be better to search it for yourself, I don´t know how to explain it better!!!

 

[techprof]

solo thanks.
Unlike other hairloss sites, in our gourmetstylewellness.com we can give links to useful threads from other hairloss sites. The mods. won't delete them.

 

[Apoc]

Look stem cells can turn into any cell they want. You can make kidneys, livers, heart cells from them. What I think is that unless they are geneticaly manipulated they will not create DHT resistant hair. They might fully regrow the lost hair but the hair will not have the DHT resistant gene in them. So you will have to get new injections again and again to keep your hair full. HM from DHT resistant hair is superior in my oppinion.

 

[elguapo]

I think I know what you mean about stem cells being more "recipient". They aren't differentiated, and can become whatever type of cell they are surrounded by after injection, right? Anyway, I'm not sure what I said that may have implied the opposite of this. But those were good questions, anyhow.

A question of my own: Can stem cells of one person (or embryo or whatever, not wanting to get into an ethical discussion, 'cause I'm sure I'd lose) be used for another person? And what about HM, or the extracted follicular cells that are talked about with the stuff that Intercytex is developing? Would those only be usable by the same person, or by others? And by that I mean are they compatible, without having to take those anti-whatever pills to suppress the auto-immune reaction which occurs with your basic transplantation.

PS - I'm drinking a lot, so bear with me! =)

 

[elguapo]

hah, I said bear! hah!

 

[Apoc]

Yes they can be used between people because they are blank cells. The body will not reject such a cell since it does not have foreign genes in them so there will be no immune reaction.

 

[elguapo]

So, maybe not for us, but umbilical blood cells really could an alternative solution to hair loss for those whose parents preserve those cells for the future.

Not to get into politics, but I really wish Bush wouldn't use his first veto for the financial support of stem cell research. But that's for another thread entirely.

Still can't wait for that announcement from Intercytex of the start of Phase II clinical trials.

 

[Felk]

...speaking of which... :whistle:

 

[powersam]

HM from DHT resistant hair would obviously be superior apoc but hair is hair. if they had a way to get you a full head of hair back and you had to go in for top ups every now and then, would that not constitute a perfectly acceptable solution?

 

[Apoc]

Well yeah because it would be a treatment that gives you cosmeticaly very good effect. Depends on the price of course because it would be like botox. But what's the point if HM would also be available?

 

[Felk]

Right now, with neither available, and no real guarantees when HM will hit the market, and in what form, price range, safety, etc, I'll take all i can get