Piece materials and attachement info

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Basebond:
I put a drop on my forehead and smeared it. It disappeared completely. I can see it or feel it. I'm not even going to bother trying to wash it off. Super thin. 10 minutes later I rubbed my finger across it hard and it all just rolled up and came off. VERY annoying. I'm afraid someone can just pull the piece off. I might be forced to go ST30.

ST30 tape:
Everyone on Toplace, including BA, are saying it is the best attachment method out there. No clean up required since it stays on your head, not your lace, during clean up. You need a hair dryer and pressing to get it thin though. Downside: it stays sticky, and it puffs up when water gets on it. And you are supposed to stretch it to dull it. When you are good, it takes 5 minutes to apply, and no clean up time. Only the thickness scares me.
I have a role and took a look. It is about 1/5 mm thick. That is way too thick for me. That hair dryer better flatten it good or it's no go for me, unless I'm going camping or swimming and have no choice. I stuck my finger on it, and was able to pull my finger back off, so I guess they are right about pressure and heat making it stick better. Maybe time is needed too.
I read it is so strong you can cut it in half down the middle, or use 1/3.

Other glues:
Lots others out there. Just go to coolpiece or toplace for others. It really depends on your body chemistry. It seems 50% do best with basebond, and 50% do best with one of 5 other glues, depending on body chemistry. But basebond is thinner and does not stay sticky, so that is why I'm starting with it.

There is also an "off 'n on" glue for fabrics that some people use.
Very easy clean up. People like it because if the piece ever comes up, they can just press it back down. Great for fix ups when they are far from a private bathroom. But since it stays sticky, maybe dust will collect. And I suspect someone could pull this one off the head. I'm surprised no one on toplace ever asked that question.

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Bases:

French is the most durable lace base, but I did not find it undetectable enough. It is possible someone might not feel it if touching for just a second, but risky.

Swiss is very good. Very thin, and still strong enough. It feels kind of like skin because it gives to match the skin underneath, and is smooth. Still noticeable, but not very noticeable to touch. I think a woman could play with my hair for a few minutes and not notice it.

There is a new superthin skin available at toplace. I don't know much about it, and don't plan to dry it till I hear more.

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Hair:

Single strand is the way to go. Once you go above 65% density, some of the knots have to be double strand. At coolpiece and maybe hollywoodlace, this is done automatically. At toplace, only the front is single strand, and the rest double strand, unless you request it. I don't know how much more that costs though.

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The stuff you use to release the lace from the bond is not the same stuff you use to release the bond from your head. Not sure which you should use, though I bought both.
 

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I'm really unhappy about this ST30 tape. I had hoped it would be as thin as scotch tape. But it is about as thick as 5-10 sheets of paper. And the basebond comes off my skin way too easy. I'm expecting my piece any hour. Even though I'm sure it will be good, I'll need a good attachement method before I try wearing. i'm sure with basebond on, the wind could blow my piece off.
 

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and I am not impressed with the ST30 color or stickiness. I can lay it on my skin and easily pull it back off. It is like a rubber band when stretched: it recoils. And it turns white when stretched. If they want to get it thinner, they'd definitely have to heat it. This stuff feels like rubber: if you try to flatten it, it will just spring back, and it is not that soft for flattening in the first place.

But at least ST30 sticks to itself very well.


I should have known these guys had extremely low standards when I read that most of them don't shave the area they are covering, and don't send in templates. 99% of their templates are just flat pieces of paper with an outline. I should have known they'd compliment anything, including this crappy tape.

I could go buy double sided tape, but I'm sure it would leave a red mark and come off in a few hours.

I will credit them with one thing: that ST30 is very easy to clean up. No residue, and easy to pull right off. Probably water proof too. Just amazing if you can make it work for the hairline, and you definitely don't want anyone feeling the edges.
 

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I should have known that there is a reason why Michigan Baldy has so many different adhesives in his bathroom. It is because none of them, except maybe the most recent one, are good enough. If you are very bald, then having a toupee is better than nothing. But as far as fooling women goes, I've got more thinking to do. The basebond was fantastic at invisibility, but just does not stick to my skin. I might have to try a different glue.
 

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and both the basebond and the ST30 stink.
 

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yesterday the basebond dried in 30 seconds. Today it is sticky even after 5 minutes. They are right that the glue can work for a while and then not, or change, and depends on body chemistry. and it is still shiny today.

When I rub it off, it turns black. So when I clean the lace, I'll have to get it all off.
 

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This time the basebond is not coming off my scalp so easily.

As for the ST30, don't bother putting alcohol on your scissors when cutting it. The stick is not that strong.


One re-assuring thing: even though ST30 is easy to peal off my face, I'm sure it is hard to take off all at once. So it would stay on when pulling the hair, since that pulls on the whole surface area at once. I'm expecting the same with the basebond.

The ST30 really has a tall edge. From the pics i've seen, it seems all of the tapes do. None are as thin as scotch. And the ST30 is shiny, so I hope a hair dryer reduces that or I can't go swimming.

As for detectability, anyone can easily see ST30. They might not notice it if you don't point it out. But do not point it out. even if you get rid of the shine and make it transparent, the lace will still be hovering a noticeable distance above the scalp; the thickness of the ST30.
 

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I have alot of glues because I kept falling for the "hype" whenever a new one came out.
UltraHold has the best hold for lace out there.
The guys who dont want to use it still admit that it holds real good, but is difficult to work with.

Unless you have people pulling at your hair all the time, theres nothing to worry about.
If you do have people who want to pull your hair out, you can do a full bond instead of just a perimeter bond, or do like I do and add a strip of adhesive down the center of your head for extra hold.
It wont come off or even lift a little with a stiff tug.

If you think someones really out to get you and wants to prove they can pull your hair off, an all lace base isnt for you.
A thinskin with a cemented bond using Bond 007 is what you`d want. That will not come off your head. If someone yanked hard, they`d maybe pull some of the hairs out of it, or rip some of your scalp off. But the hairpiece will not come off.
 

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I agree now it won't blow off. But it better be strong enough for me to play with my own hair.
 

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Since basebond stinks too me, I've ordered 3 other glues for about $10 each. I'll see how they do. I'm hoping the oil resistant white glue is as good as they say. It will be here Tuesday.
 

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My oil resistant white glue arrived. It has almost no smell. It smells a bit like scotch tape. Much better than the stinky basebond. It also stays sticky. Good thing I ordered the adhesive dryer.
 

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According to aplunk1, after holding the lace up to his forehead, there is a 5% chance of someone noticing it in the right lighting conditions. And if they are up looking for it, they have a 20% chance.

I can see it just because I know what to look for. But when it has glue on it, I would not thing anything strange even if I saw those details, if I did not know what lace looks like. I'd just think the skin around the pores was a little more wavy there. The only other thing that gives it away is the lace shades that skin just a bit. Getting an exact color match is hard. The other swiss I had was a bit too light. If I could match the colors, not even I'd be able to tell at any distance or lightning.
 
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