Has anyone experienced a large decrease in energy levels from proecia? I am not talking sexual drive, but rather energy levels for gym, sports, etc.. I feel like the testastarone has been sucked out of me. This not leisted as a side effect, but I cannot point to anything else for my overall lethargy for the past year since I started taking propecia....
propecia and energy levels/fitness
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Verno
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I think it might all be in your head. Propecia prevents conversion of testosterone to DHT and as a result testosterone in the body actually increases, while DHT decreases. I actually gained about 10 pound of muscle when I started Avodart (different drug, same principle).
You sure, check out the research, no dht=no muslce
then what about the below?
Question: I'm losing my hair and have asked the question on several discussion boards as to whether finasteride will inhibit my gains. I want to use finasteride to prevent a chrome dome but don't want to hurt my gains either. What are hearing on the street about this?
Answer: finasteride is a fantastic drug for saving your hair. I fully recommend it for this purpose!
I must warn you though that I'm hearing that it destroys nearly all of the potency of testosterone. I know a couple of guys taking nearly a gram of this potent steroid and making greatly diminished gains while using finasteride.
I first though that this was due to bogus testosterone but several reports like this came into me which made me think something was up. The first thing I did was check the research on the anabolic/androgenic potencies of testosterone and DHT.
I found something extraordinary!
All of the literature showed DHT to be 2-3 times MORE anabolic than testosterone but with the SAME androgenic potency. Believe it or not, DHT is a better, safer and more effective steroid than testosterone!
How is this possible? What about all the bad stuff on DHT? It seems that most of testosterone's actions are enacted by its conversion into DHT—both good and bad! Why does testosterone cause muscle growth? DHT! Why does testosterone promote Hair loss? DHT! Unfortunately, testosterone converts to DHT in "androgenic" tissues (prostate, hair, skin) at higher rates than in other parts of the body. This makes testosterone have a very low anabolic/androgenic ratio. On the other hand, DHT added directly to the body cts uniformly in nearly all tissues and thus has a better ratio. There is not preferential action or conversion in "androgenic" tissues. When injected, testosterone is less potent than DHT because not all of it is converted into DHT. Per injected milligram, you will get much higher concentrations of DHT in your blood with injectible DHT rather than injectible testosterone. And remember, DHT is the active metabolite of testosterone!
Back to your question, finasteride will GREATLY diminish any gains from testosterone. Not all but most (because finasteride prevents only about 70% of the conversion into DHT). I know one person who used a complete inhibitor of DHT production and with 800mg of testosterone per week saw basically nothing. With testosterone, you can either have your hair or have your muscle but you can't have it both ways.
then what about the below?
Question: I'm losing my hair and have asked the question on several discussion boards as to whether finasteride will inhibit my gains. I want to use finasteride to prevent a chrome dome but don't want to hurt my gains either. What are hearing on the street about this?
Answer: finasteride is a fantastic drug for saving your hair. I fully recommend it for this purpose!
I must warn you though that I'm hearing that it destroys nearly all of the potency of testosterone. I know a couple of guys taking nearly a gram of this potent steroid and making greatly diminished gains while using finasteride.
I first though that this was due to bogus testosterone but several reports like this came into me which made me think something was up. The first thing I did was check the research on the anabolic/androgenic potencies of testosterone and DHT.
I found something extraordinary!
All of the literature showed DHT to be 2-3 times MORE anabolic than testosterone but with the SAME androgenic potency. Believe it or not, DHT is a better, safer and more effective steroid than testosterone!
How is this possible? What about all the bad stuff on DHT? It seems that most of testosterone's actions are enacted by its conversion into DHT—both good and bad! Why does testosterone cause muscle growth? DHT! Why does testosterone promote Hair loss? DHT! Unfortunately, testosterone converts to DHT in "androgenic" tissues (prostate, hair, skin) at higher rates than in other parts of the body. This makes testosterone have a very low anabolic/androgenic ratio. On the other hand, DHT added directly to the body cts uniformly in nearly all tissues and thus has a better ratio. There is not preferential action or conversion in "androgenic" tissues. When injected, testosterone is less potent than DHT because not all of it is converted into DHT. Per injected milligram, you will get much higher concentrations of DHT in your blood with injectible DHT rather than injectible testosterone. And remember, DHT is the active metabolite of testosterone!
Back to your question, finasteride will GREATLY diminish any gains from testosterone. Not all but most (because finasteride prevents only about 70% of the conversion into DHT). I know one person who used a complete inhibitor of DHT production and with 800mg of testosterone per week saw basically nothing. With testosterone, you can either have your hair or have your muscle but you can't have it both ways.
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DHT is the best fuckin hormone there is for a man! I feel better after only 2 weeks off of Propecia and inconsistant use for 2 weeks before that. Lets see how i feel better with NO Proepcia.
Better mood
Better sense of well being
better revovery time
better sex drive
more calm and relaxed
body more tight
can actually see some muscle fibers when flexing now
feel myself again
can do physical work for a lot longer periods of time with no fatigue
increased strength
The only thing that is making me go back to 5ar inhibitors is keeping my fuckin hair. Looking at bald dudes make you realize you would rather have you're hair and put up with a few side effects untill HM comes out. Im thinking of lowering estradiol a bit when i start Dutasteride with a very low dose of Aromasin like 2.5mg. Mabye i'll feel better on dutasteride who knows. Also finasteride made me snap at everything and i would fight with anybody, it was fucked up! Basically finasteride and dutasteride give you the same biology as an old f*****g man with low DHT and high Estradiol. Exept for the fact that it causes hairloss, DHT RULES!
Better mood
Better sense of well being
better revovery time
better sex drive
more calm and relaxed
body more tight
can actually see some muscle fibers when flexing now
feel myself again
can do physical work for a lot longer periods of time with no fatigue
increased strength
The only thing that is making me go back to 5ar inhibitors is keeping my fuckin hair. Looking at bald dudes make you realize you would rather have you're hair and put up with a few side effects untill HM comes out. Im thinking of lowering estradiol a bit when i start Dutasteride with a very low dose of Aromasin like 2.5mg. Mabye i'll feel better on dutasteride who knows. Also finasteride made me snap at everything and i would fight with anybody, it was fucked up! Basically finasteride and dutasteride give you the same biology as an old f*****g man with low DHT and high Estradiol. Exept for the fact that it causes hairloss, DHT RULES!
Verno
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Bullshit. I ran Div-1 track for 4 years - that means 4 hour a day workouts 6 days a week. 10 pounds of fat and water, I dont think so. I went from 190 lbs, 4% body fat to 200, 4% body fat after finasteride. Maybe it was coincidence, but considering the amount of training I had been doing the entire time, I highly doubt it.
PS. Mogadon, maybe you could try not to be such a condescending a**h**. I was simply stating my observations.
I would've though for the amount of time finasteride's being used now we'd have a bit more than anecdotal evidence on any supposed negative effects is has on building muscle. Not saying it doesn't have any at all, but in the main any effect it does have must be minimal.
Looking back at my journal in the 6 weeks I've been taking finasteride I've put 15kg on my deadlift and 12.5 on my squat. All that water and fat sure is making me strong.
Looking back at my journal in the 6 weeks I've been taking finasteride I've put 15kg on my deadlift and 12.5 on my squat. All that water and fat sure is making me strong.
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Verno said:
Quite so. When some people think they understand their own physiology they think they know about everyone else too, which they think gives them the right to be downright rude. We are all different. However, I find it rather harder to keep up enthusiasm for building and running and swimming after more than 19 months on 1 mg finasteride, so I am cutting down to 0.5 approx. Could be I am getting older and just bored with routine. I used to think the DHEA worked, the only thing that looks better is my new hair. Is it worth it? Would a finasteride holiday be an idea?