Regrowing Real Hair

braveheart2065

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I'm not inclined to post to online forums, but after reading a lot of letters under the "Let's Talk About It" page that I could painfully identify with, I wanted to contribute some information I hope will potentially improve the people on this website's quality of life.

In 1999 I always suspected that food played a major role in health and illness. Since then, I've been on a long road trying to fix a host of chronic though not life-threatening health problems naturally.

I've always had thin hair and lost a signficant amount of hair after taking an acne medication in the mid-80's. I've tried Rogaine and Propecia and was not happy with the results. I have a fairly good working knowledge of herbs and have tried saw palmetto and all things good for the prostate, but also to no avail.

I think hair loss is basically caused by our hormones slipping out of balance and to reverse it, you have to rebalance your hormone levels. This is a straightforward, easy to understand concept, but hard to execute in real life - the latest pharmaceutical products notwithstanding.

I don't think food per se is the answer to hair loss, but I think something that used to come with all food is a major part of the answer: soil-based organisms. Maybe you've heard of them - maybe you haven't, but since they don't seem to be making as much noise in health circles as I thought they would by now, I wanted to mention them on this website - if they haven't been already.

I was introduced to them via this guy's story: If you look down on the 7th line, there's a harmless little addition to the list of all his health problems, "hair loss". You don't have to have all the problems this guy had to benefit from "SBO's" as they're also called. It's taken me a couple years to realize SBO's are good if not essential for your overall health.

SBO's break down undigested build-up on your intestinal wall and are the proper way to detox your digestive tract. They're supposed to be in the diet; they're a perfect fit for the human body

You're not going to reverse your hormone imbalance until you've adequately detox'd the body.

I've been on SBO's for almost 3 years now and, in combination with general body detoxing through fasting, can tell you unequivocally my hair is growing back - even in the front temple regions. It's growing back a little too slow for my tastes, but I'm not looking a gifthorse in the mouth. I'm in my late 30's, I would think someone in their early 20's should see faster results. I should only have another year or so before I have a head of hair I'm happy with.

I take the bacillus laterosporus BOD, and bacillus subtilis. I look forward to trying even more effective SBO's as they're "rediscovered" in the future.

This is all a serious leap of faith since most people in their 30's and 40's likely wouldn't see results for a year or two. You don't have to believe a word of this. Some of the alternative/natural health products out there are definitely scams, but if you read this post you can't say down the line that you never heard what will really help grow real hair back and my conscience is clear. Good luck.
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My only concern is, what does all this say for guys with full heads of hair? I mean I've seen some with horrendously poor diets yet they maintain a full head of hair.
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Sorry for my delay in responding. I don't check into this site too often. Yes, a nutritional, really a detoxing regimen, is exactly what's going to get people healthy enough to start growing their hairback. Like I said it's not the food per se, it's what used to come with food when it was eaten in the wild.

Guys who eat poorly and still maintain their hair are just lucky. To understand this involves understanding a little bit about digestion, genetics, and environmental insults like pollution, and how they all relate to each other. Someone who's keeping their hair is keeping their hair-related hormones in balance. This could be because they just have a genetic tendency to do this, or it could be because they have healthy bacteria ratios in their gut and avoid a toxic gut, or it could be because they're less toxic overall because they're not exposed to environmental toxins at home or at work (e.g. see welders). Feeding bad food to good bacteria in the gut is generally harmless compared to feeding either good or bad food to bad bacteria in the gut. We don't eat until the bacteria in our gut eats.

But all of this doesn't rule out someone who's losing their hair growing it back by natural means. A toxic gut is the problem for most people losing their hair I suspect. This is why just straight fasting won't grow hair back. Fasting is great for detoxing, but it won't remove the layers of toxic junk accumulated in your gut over the years. You have to get to the source of the toxicity and there hasn't been anything like soil bacteria consciously in our diets before. It actually decomposes the junk in our gut like it had for millions of years before. Modern medical science is only starting to fully understand how the body best lives and lived symbiotically in nature with bacteria.

BTW, the Wall Street Journal had an article Tu 1/27/04 on what the food industry wants people to eat in 2004: "(Beneficial) Bacteria, Purported to Be Good for Health." Should be a good review for anyone wanting to come up to speed on beneficial bacteria in general. The article covers dairy-based bacteria and prebiotics, but it's only a short jump from there to soil bacteria.

If you believe Jordan Rubin fixed Crohn's disease like he contends which is currently considered incurable by most conventional medical doctors (a popular recommendation is to remove part of the intestintes), then I don't know why it wouldn't be hard to believe he also stumbled on the way to grow hair back. I didn't set out to grow hair back either, I just got lucky and found his story. It's all about fixing autoimmune conditions which is what hair loss really is according to most natural health practitioners.
 

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*These statements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration. This product is not intended to diagnose, heal, cure or prevent any disease.

No Data or scientific studies , as well as we like to see natural alternatives...Which im a big beleiver in certain products etc.... Id say this is a SPAM POSTING.
 

mvpsoft

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Eat some dirt, grow some hair.
 

Thinning

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Wow what a nice advertisement.

Take your spam somewhere else. Your bacteria wont regrow any hair thanks, just like it wont help those poor bastards with chrons disease you market your crap to as well.

Desperate people want to belive just about anything, so those of us here that feel desperate about their hair loss - please dont fall victem to SOB's or whatever this joker is selling. It will just promote more people like him selling trash as medicine.
 

GourmetStyleWellness

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Even though this fellow lacks a basic understanding of the definition of the phrase "Andro - Genetic" Alopecia (Male Pattern Baldness) ... we're tired of being accused of trying to silence herbal enthusiasts, so cheerfully we have allowed this thread to stay, and will be moving it to the forum dedicated to those who like to experiment with different ideas. We did however remove any semblance of advertising from the post, and I would appreciate a Private Message if the poster returns and re-adds them in to any future posts. Surely he's here to help, not sell, so I am sure this wont happen! :D

gourmetstylewellness.com
 

WiCkEdSiCk

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I think your idea makes alot of sense man, I think ill start some of the pro-biotic pills. Thanks. Dont let the haters get you down ^_^
 

braveheart2065

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Thanks WiCkEdSiCk, it does make a lot of sense, and surprisingly, it even works. It's amazing how quickly people weigh in with negative comments when presented with new information despite having no evidence to the contrary. Its non-toxic and pennies on the dollar to boot. The moderator even got into the act despite lacking an understanding of the term "genetic predisposition". People may have a hereditary tendency to lose their hair, but that doesn't mean they absolutely, positively have to lose their hair. Your genes are not your destiny. Who you are physically right now would be different if you grew up in Europe, Asia, or somewhere else. Most people would probably be less toxic than in the U.S., and the guys above maybe a little less mean-spirited too. Your genes manifest themselves according to your environment.

Propecia, Rogaine, and Minoxidil can be name-dropped, but mention some soil bacteria product names and the censors drop in and move the post to where 5% of the website wlll see it. I named 3 different competing soil bacteria products, I linked to a guy's Crohn's disease "Before" and "After" pictures, and I mentioned a book title on balding. How this is spam I will never know. Here are 2 clinical studies published in peer-reviewed journals in the last 2 years on soil bacteria, citing how it works to detox the digestive tract. You can look them up yourself:

Goldberg, P.A. "The Reduction of Candida Albicans Overgrowth Using (Soil Bacteria) with Lifestyle Modifications" A 23 Patient Pilot Study - Townsend Letter for Doctors and Patents November 2003 Volume # 244

Goldberg, P.A. "Soil Organism As Applied To Medically Unresponsive Chronic Disease Conditions In Adults." (Progress in Nutrition 1/2002.)

I met Jordan Rubin, the guy who beat Crohn's disease, in person in April when he was speaking on tour and his story rings true. He's also been interviewed on Good Morning America on ABC this year as well as Fox and Friends, and was featured in Newsweek and People magazine too. He's selling a diet, but his story and pictures were good enough for the national media to invite him on. Shouldn't you all be a little more open-minded too.

WiCkEdSiCk, "probiotics" is a term that usually refers just to dairy-based beneficial bacteria. You want to look for the term "soil bacteria" specifically. Decomposing bacteria is what you want.
 

BadHairDecade

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Propecia, Rogaine, and Minoxidil can be name-dropped, but mention some soil bacteria product names and the censors drop in and move the post to where 5% of the website wlll see it. I named 3 different competing soil bacteria products, I linked to a guy's Crohn's disease "Before" and "After" pictures, and I mentioned a book title on balding. How this is spam I will never know.

Being that it was your first post and you write a short story then pitch a few products is highly suspicious. THis site has had it fair share of 1 post spammers.

Everything you posted revolves around this statement you made
I think hair loss is basically caused by our hormones slipping out of balance

and it's the one topic in your post that you have in no way supported.
 

braveheart2065

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Fair enough, good feedback. Wish the first replies were more reasonable like yours and WiCkEdSiCk. Thanks for your feedback relating to spam.

I thought my posts revolved around detoxing being the key to all health problems more, and I also cited a case study of a guy who claims he grew his hair back too that can stand on it's own I thought (Jordan Rubin), but let me try to address your point the best I can. I did preface that statement with "I think..." admitting that it's my opinion.

Two arguments: First, I and many natural health practitioners, believe alopecia is an autoimmune condition like I said before. Leaky Gut Syndrome is a condition that's been diagnosed in alternative medicine for over ten years and ties all autoimmune conditions together (to digestion and toxins). So, if you'll humor me that rhuematoid arthritis (an autoimmune condition) is related to alopecia, there was a study and/or a bunch of articles that came out this year that ties rhuematoid arthritis to hormonal imbalances. With a little searching, you should be able to find that last bit of information. It should just be a matter of time before similar, corraborating studies come out about other autoimmune conditions being related to hormonal imbalances IMO. Of course, you'd have to believe alopecia is an autoimmune condition first to believe this matters.

The other argument is more anecdotal, but maybe more believable. Tell me you've never heard that bald men are more virile and/or maybe you've experienced it. More virile being defined as a bigger libido, bigger sex drive, etc. So, putting the two together, a hormonal imbalance causes hair to fall out and the sex drive to increase in my opinion as well as other autoimmune problems potentially.

They're not ironclad arguments, but they're not the worst arguments either. It may seem like a stretch the first time you hear it, but there's no harm reading up on all of this before you make up your mind.
 

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I appolgise for thinking this was a spam posting... my mistake. I have done some research on this soil bacteria and it seems quite new. Can you post a few links on where you buy the stuff from or good websites regarding its use for male pattern baldness if possible? It sounds quite interesting.

So, did you stop taking proscar and minoxidil and just use soil bacteria as your regimen?
 

braveheart2065

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Can you post a few links on where you buy the stuff from or good websites regarding its use for male pattern baldness if possible?

I get Flora Balance from http://www.flora-balance.com. Nature's Biotics is http://www.lifescienceproducts.com and Primal Defense is http://www.gardenoflifeusa.com. The last one is Jordan Rubin's company.

I tried Primal Defense first, then Nature's Biotics, and now I just use Flora Balance. Primal Defense and Nature's Biotics add dairy based bacteria to their product, and Primal Defense adds plant sterols too. I prefer just straight soil bacteria which is how Flora Balance is formulated.

I'm sure there are no websites regarding soil bacteria use for male pattern baldness yet. Its good for overall health, not one specific condition, but this site has the best articles on beneficial bacteria, health, and medical research I've come across on the web so far: http://www.upwardquest.com/news-and-research/index.html

"So, did you stop taking proscar and minoxidil and just use soil bacteria as your regimen?"

I tried Propecia for 5-6 months in 1999 and didn't like the results like I said, so I stopped then. My hair looked thicker, but I didn't really grow that much new hair IMO. I tried Rogaine in '88 or '89 when it first came out, but that was even less effective. I started taking soil bacteria in January 2002 for general autoimmune problems and noticed hair falling out (shedding) along with new hair growing back about a year and a half later. It took a while I believe because I'm in my late 30's. Like I said, someone in their early 20's should see faster results, like in 6 months maybe(?). So in answer to your second question, yes, I just use soil bacteria as my regimen. I also fast once or twice a year (water only) for general detoxing, but the soil bacteria is the difference.
 

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It's outdated news, contains little information about dosage amounts and seems to be more expensive than minoxidil, Proscar and Nizoral combined. I'd be very reluctant to even bother with this as theres little scientific evidence it will do anything.

Detoxing the body is good i guess. Ask any Iraqi prisoner of that..

I also find it interesting how you stumbled onto this site even though you claim you've nailed down the problem. Why would you be on the hunt to research male pattern baldness if you're already sold on Flora products.

The truth is you can eat whatever the heck you want in the next 40 years because we'll both be up a St Peters gate one day. Interestingly enough many seniors in the UK are pushing the upper 90s without ever giving a sh*t about health products.

You've been duped by a clever company...

Nutrition is sometimes a religion

I think we'd all love to see some of your regrowth pictures...give Merck a run for the money!
 

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Hey braveheart! I remember your original post, which was on the hairlossdirect forums. (Those forums no longer exist). I actually posted that reply that you had.

I've been taking Primal defense and Perfect food for quite some time now. Actually, I didn't stick the the regimen religiously as a should have, I have sometimes gone 2 weeks without taking anything.

If you are looking for a place to get good deals on Garden of Life products, try http://www.beyondprobiotics.net. Any purchases above $50 and you get free shipping, plus there's an additional 14% off their prices when you checkout. I can't find better deals any where else, and you're certainly getting prices below msrp.
 
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