Starting to get bored with this site....

[vipergts]

Before you start flaming away...let me tell you I love you guys, you have been there for me when no one else was and you always offer some pretty darn good advice. But as of late I have seen that there is NOTHING here in terms of treating hairloss besides the sh*t 3 all of which in my opinion are average to weak treatments. Then there are the typical Propecia junkies who cannot stand a word against their beloved dick shrinking pill. FYI Propecia made me lose half my density in a year (lost more hair than I every had) plus gave me terrible sides. All minoxidil does is make my hair itch like hell and nizoral dries the hell out of my hair (even with conditioner). Tried everything else from Cps to spironolactone to various oils, PROXN, dutasteride, etc. I get the feeling that at least Treatment wise I am done here.....there is NOTHING else for me which SUCKS and I feel totally helpless sitting here and not being able to put up a good fight. I have no option but to let baldness take it's natural path. I am now down to one application of Xandrox w/o PPG a night and organic shampoo or TSAL in the mornings. I will continue coming here for moral support as I bald, but I just friggin wish there was more discssion on newer treatments that work better....

It's 2008 and I am no different (in terms of my options) from my grand-father who was just as helpless in fighting baldness in the 1940's. How awful that more than half a century later we still do not have a cure.....people are still rubbing all kinds of rubbish on their heads hoping for 1or 2 hairs to sprout. I am sure my grand father had imagined that baldness would be history by now....but on the contrary thee is no cure in site.

Sincerely,

A sad, frustrated and defeated Viper

 

[s.a.f]

I know that Propecia has managed to help many guys by halting their hairloss, its a miracle product IMO shame I found out about it too late.

 

[ghg]

Yeah finasteride is a f*****g miracle drug alright, but not in treating hairloss. It does many other funny things to your body, though. Totally agree with viper about everything else but it's useless to complain that there isn't good "cures" for this "disease". Humankind still hasn't found a fool-proof way to cure far worse DISEASES like hiv, cancer etc. Hormones are obviously hard to manipulate and balding is only cosmetic, so what do you expect? I'm glad we're not yet vain enough to put hairloss treatments before cancer or hiv treatments.

 

[Norsk]

I'm in a similar situation. All the treatments may work on my hair for all I know, but I never get the chance to find out before I have to stop using them. I still have sexual side effects from proscar (quit 6 months ago). Revivogen irritated my skin like crazy. I used Proxiphen for a while with no problems, then they changed the formula and skin started falling out on my forehead and under my hair. Now I'm using Prox-n alone, but I'm not sure if it's worth it.

All baldness treatments divide us male pattern baldness guys in two: those who benefit from them and those who don't. It makes me feel even more unlucky since I always seem to end up in the latter group. The same can be said for hair transplant's. If I had rushed out and got a hair transplant like s.a.f, I'd be completely screwed, since I have every reason to believe I'll be NW7+ sometime in my 30's.

 

[fromchicago]

to the contrary, we are some of the first people in thousands of years to actually be able to do something about it.

in your case, things didn't work; that sucks. i wish suffering on no one. have you considered shaving your head?? -- it's pretty popular and looks good on a lot of guys.

all that being said, you only have one life -- live it to the fullest. no one cares about your hair loss like you do. you'll look back at these days and laugh and wonder what all the fuss was about -- we all will. Anyway, it's all about self image -- no matter what you look like, it's how you think of your self (not just physically) that will transmit to others. It's a theory I believe in 100%, but can not get it figured out myself. It's the common struggle that keeps us going. All this pain will have a reciprocal spread later we just don't have faith in it. This struggle is very personal, but everyone has it -- no matter who they are -- short term evolution if you will. If have problems, you find solutions, your solutions become problems. rinse and repeat.

bob dylan said it best:

[youtube:3d9y2jfy]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDZvP7T3B30[/youtube:3d9y2jfy]

 

[cleverusername]

I completely agree at this point there should be better medication than what we have. There's that follica stuff everyone seems to be talking about and hair cloning which both seem like they will never become a reality. It sucks but I guess be happy there are things like the big 3 that help a lot of people and that you only have a cosmetic "issue". We could all be in far worse situations than we are in. We have the luxury of bitching about our problems on the internet so how bad could our lives really be? We have a harder time getting laid, that's really what it all comes down to and even that isn't an impossible feat. If going bald was seen as sexy I doubt propecia, this forum, minoxidil or any of this other sh*t would even exist. The good news is there are plenty of women not bothered by it and hopefully I'll find another one soon.

I've been losing my hair since 15 and even in hs had some pretty cute girlfriends. Supposedly it gets easier as you get older the only problem is you are exposed to less women and in my case a 12 hour day is narrowed down to the workplace and maybe getting lucky at the gym at night or the weekend.

 

[DoctorHouse]

Before you start flaming away...let me tell you I love you guys, you have been there for me when no one else was and you always offer some pretty darn good advice. But as of late I have seen that there is NOTHING here in terms of treating hairloss besides the sh*t 3 all of which in my opinion are average to weak treatments. Then there are the typical Propecia junkies who cannot stand a word against their beloved dick shrinking pill. FYI Propecia made me lose half my density in a year (lost more hair than I every had) plus gave me terrible sides. All minoxidil does is make my hair itch like hell and nizoral dries the hell out of my hair (even with conditioner). Tried everything else from Cps to spironolactone to various oils, PROXN, dutasteride, etc. I get the feeling that at least Treatment wise I am done here.....there is NOTHING else for me which SUCKS and I feel totally helpless sitting here and not being able to put up a good fight. I have no option but to let baldness take it's natural path. I am now down to one application of Xandrox w/o PPG a night and organic shampoo or TSAL in the mornings. I will continue coming here for moral support as I bald, but I just friggin wish there was more discssion on newer treatments that work better....

It's 2008 and I am no different (in terms of my options) from my grand-father who was just as helpless in fighting baldness in the 1940's. How awful that more than half a century later we still do not have a cure.....people are still rubbing all kinds of rubbish on their heads hoping for 1or 2 hairs to sprout. I am sure my grand father had imagined that baldness would be history by now....but on the contrary thee is no cure in site.

Sincerely,

A sad, frustrated and defeated Viper

Viper, I totally understand how you feel. When I read post after post of how Propecia or Rogaine made my hairline or my hair worse makes me sick. Think about it. You take a drug to just keep what you have and you end up losing more than what you have. Where is the logic in that? I still am baffled how I started with a full head of hair with only minor thinning, use two FDA drugs that at the least will help you maintain what you have and end up losing more than my baseline. And I am not the only one posting comments like this. I am not saying this happens to everyone because I have seen success stories. But, what really concerns me is how do you really know how effective a drug is working for you or could it be working against you. For instance, I used to put Rogaine on my hairline, temples and just down the middle of my scalp. For over two years I watched those very areas to thin very fast and yet the rest of my scalp remained the same. Not only that but these areas became thinner to the point hairs were missing in one cycle and did not return later. Does anyone have an explanation of what really happened? Most doctors would state, your male pattern baldness is more powerful than the treatments. OK I will agree that its possible but I thought during the balding process, the hair falls out and its replaced with a thinner one. In my case, the thicker hair was never replaced. Propecia, we all know alters our hormones. But we do not know if it can alter the hormones in such a way that it actually cause you to lose more hair by altering your hormones in a negative off balanced state. The only way to find out if it helps is to quit the drug. And even after you quit the drug, and you get better you still don't know for sure if its because you no longer take Propecia. And as Rassman preaches, if you decided to take Propecia make sure you know its a life time commitment. So Viper, how do we know for sure that these drugs in certain small cases actually trigger your hair to actually thin quicker than if you used no treatments at all. Most doctors would say its impossible but I have learned in life anything is possible. You noticed you lost lots of density on Propecia, so did I. You noticed Rogaine did not help, so did I. You noticed you will not able to at least maintain what you had with two proven treatments, so did I. I don't know if you have experienced sheds where the hair did not come back, but I have and that is what bothers me the most. If the hair at least came back thinner, I would understand I am still balding and the meds are really not helping much. I have a whole bunch of empty hair follicles in a few concentrated areas that still have not come back and this all coincided when I went back on minoxidil a few months ago. I stopped using the minoxidil. Now is time to stop everything? I don't know what to do. I think I am done here just like you are. It just irks me that my only goal was just to maintain ONLY and yet I feel I actually did myself more harm than good. The irony of my situation is I look at success stories like MJ and my hair was alot better than his to begin with and yet while he is getting better, I am only getting worse. I thought these treatments work better on people who catch their problem early. Not in my case. Honestly, I come on the site hoping to find someone who has been thru the same situation I have. I have talked to someone else who the same thing happened to him and when he quit all his meds he improved so far. Now that is disturbing.

 

[ghg]

Good post, DoctorHouse. I had minor thinning in 2006 (no one else couldn't probably notice it except me when I inspected my hair under a bathroom light), and when my hair was wet there was no doubt I was losing it. Then I got on propecia and almost immediately had awful skin symptoms, my whole face was red but the scalp was still okish although a bit itchy (something I had never really experienced before). After a month on finasteride only I decided to opt for Kirkland minoxidil since everyone here convinced me that it's the only way to get regrowth. Couple of weeks on minoxidil and my scalp started to burn like hell... seriously it was so bad that I couldn't sleep at night.

So I stopped Kirkland minoxidil after just few weeks. My scalp never really returned to normal after that, I was losing shitloads of hair every day and my scalp would burn... not once did I suspect that it might be the finasteride that's feeding the inflammation (and I still don't know quite frankly). I tried every shampoo on the market and finally managed to find one that helped a bit. I stopped finasteride around the same time I started using that shampoo and now my scalp has been ok (no more red and inflamed) for the past 6 months or so. The problem is that I also changed my diet to low-carb one around the same time so I don't know what is helping. I think I'm noticing an increase of itchiness on my scalp whenever I eat lots of sugar for a couple of days. I can't really eat none if I'm about to keep the inflammation at bay. At the moment I'm using only Rogaine foam 1 x day, dunno if it is helping but I don't think it's doing any harm either. My twin bro is just as thin as me and he hasn't used anything. So all in all, these current meds have only done harm in my case. Judging by the posts on this forum I am not a rare case either.