Steroids - WIll this work

messmorph

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Hey Guys,

Been on a previous cycle of gear and during the cycle (6 weeks of test) there was no hairloss. I had some serious shedding about 2 months after cycle. I was taking minoxidil and Propecia while in cycle.

I want to know the following. Why does the hairloss occur after cycle?

If I take something like ORAL spironolactone once I finish the TEST will this help stop the delayed shed?

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docj077

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3-4 weeks after cycle sounds about right.

That's all I'm going to say. The medical community considers cycling and stacking to be drug abuse, so I can't help you.
 

hair today gone tomorrow

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docj077 said:
3-4 weeks after cycle sounds about right.

That's all I'm going to say. The medical community considers cycling and stacking to be drug abuse, so I can't help you.

really, i thought there were Doctor's that helped the roiders with their cycling and which drugs to stack together and even with injections....IM sure all the MR. olympia competitors have doctors watching over them.
 

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hair today gone tomorrow said:
docj077 said:
3-4 weeks after cycle sounds about right.

That's all I'm going to say. The medical community considers cycling and stacking to be drug abuse, so I can't help you.

really, i thought there were Doctor's that helped the roiders with their cycling and which drugs to stack together and even with injections....IM sure all the MR. olympia competitors have doctors watching over them.

Like I said. It's drug abuse.
 

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hair today gone tomorrow said:
yah but dont some doctors advise these patients even tho they know its drug abuse?

Yes, some do.

However, the first rule of doctoring is "do no harm." Giving patients steroids violates that very mandate. Thus, if a doctor is giving a patient steroids for the purpose of muscle gain and competing professionally, then he or she is also violating the oath that he or she swore when he or she attended medical school.
 

messmorph

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docj077 said:
3-4 weeks after cycle sounds about right.

That's all I'm going to say. The medical community considers cycling and stacking to be drug abuse, so I can't help you.

Thanks Doctor.

Can someone spread some more light on my post. If you take testosterone it will obviously also increase DHT in the hair follicle. Why do they not fall out straight away? Why is it delayed?

Oral spironolactone after the cycle of Testosterone along with continueing Propecia sounds like a great way to halt the loss?
 

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Do no harm? Why wouldnt a doctor help someone even if they are doing something wrong? Thats bullshit. Whats next, you wont treat a cancer patient because he go it from smoking? Some of you doctors can kiss my ***, you arrogant pricks
 

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docj077 said:
3-4 weeks after cycle sounds about right.

That's all I'm going to say. The medical community considers cycling and stacking to be drug abuse, so I can't help you.
haha you are being quite an *** if you can give the guy information that can help him and dont do it ,its not like you are giving him the steroids ,its not like he wont do it if you want help him .
haha what a f'd up arrogant attitude you have
 

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A doctor would treat someone with cancer caused by smoking. This guy is choosing to use steroids, big difference. Doctor would be encouraging the use if he gave him advice. However, I think Doctor would agree that no doctor would have a problem treating this guy after his liver or kidney's fail due to prolonged steroid use.
 

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He would not be encouraging use. It is his job to help no matter what. He could say your stupid for doing them, but if you do, use a safe dosage. IF you a had a teenage daughter who accidentaly got pregnant and went to a doctor for the morning after pill, should he refuse because he thinks they shouldnt be having sex? In Canada we pay their salary out of our ohip taxes so they should have to give helpful advice, agree or not. Its not like buddy is asking him to perscribe the steroid.
 

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What f*****g BS. Doctors are there to help people no matter if they chose to do AAS, crack, or to smoke 3 packs per day. He was asking advice. Just because you don't condone AAS use doesn't mean you shouldn't help him. When is withholding medical advice doing no harm?

Johnny24601 said:
A doctor would treat someone with cancer caused by smoking. This guy is choosing to use steroids, big difference.

So choosing to smoke is way different than choosing to use steroids? Right...

Smoking is definitely bad for you. Steroids, on the other hand, as long as you know what you're doing, is pretty safe (nothing is 100% safe). The people that use the blanket statement that "steroids are the devil" need to do some serious research before they spout off with what they "know".
 

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I personally believe that a doctor advising people on an internet discussion board is over the top and condones the activity (to a degree) to the rest of the community. There is just no end IMO.
I personally believe that anyone who uses juice to build body mass is not using it safely. To me it is worse for your soul then it is for your body. What I am concerned about is not for this kid, but the precedent it sets when we have doctors advising people on public forums over such questionable things as steroid use. I think that sort of thing reverberates and ends up leading to more people abusing the drug. I would prefer a simple "that is terrible for you, you should stop". This stance is conservative, but it is how I feel. The situation is different when you are alone and ask a question about steroids to your personnel doctor who understands you better and is not speaking to an audience.
This person can look elsewhere and get sound advice on steroid use, no need to have a doctor essentially condoning the activity to all.
 

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Trapsource,
The kid knows its not right and everyone does to, the advice is condoning the activity, period. Someone will easily rationalize that steroids are somewhat safe because "some doctor on the internet said they could be done a certain way to reduce risk" because there are a lot of stupid people out there. Frankly, the Doctor should have said nothing IMO or at the most just said that juice can be dangerous and I advise you to choose another way to build muscle. Of course I think the idea that anyone would risk harm just to "appear" more attractive is so so bad to long term mental health.
The day after pill is not the same, that is a medical issue and by law a right of that patient to be provided the medication if she so wishes.
Again, he must treat a patient who has a medical condition resulting from steroids but advising (and thus condoning to a degree) is not acceptable IMO. The issue for me is the public nature of a forum, it is not the place for doctors to be advising on questionable activities. I appreciate your point of view and think there is room for lots of debate on an issue like this......
 

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trapsource said:
Do no harm? Why wouldnt a doctor help someone even if they are doing something wrong? Thats bullshit. Whats next, you wont treat a cancer patient because he go it from smoking? Some of you doctors can kiss my ***, you arrogant pricks
your analogy is awful.
IT would be more appropriate if you made the comparison of a doctor offering the patient a pack of cigarettes after diagnosing him with lung cancer.
Then at least you would make some sort of sense.
 

docj077

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trapsource said:
Do no harm? Why wouldnt a doctor help someone even if they are doing something wrong? Thats bullshit. Whats next, you wont treat a cancer patient because he go it from smoking? Some of you doctors can kiss my ***, you arrogant pricks

Physicians and medical students are not required to help anyone...ever. In certain situations, they can be punished for not helping another human being. This situation is not one of them.

Besides, I did help him. If his line of thinking and the actions that he is taking is considered to be drug abuse and outside the confines of what I consider to be moral, then perhaps he just needs to stop doing it. That was the only option I gave him, because that's the only option he has at this point.

There is no such thing as safely using steroids unless you have a problem with low sex hormone levels to begin with and you desire to boost that level to something that is more physiologically appealing.


Americans should feel lucky. I'm working with a physician right now that spent a year in England with their socialistic type of medicine. Once you reach a certain age there and you have a problem that could lead to your death, they don't even bother. Unfortunately, most people don't realize this and demand that system even though it's even more broken than the American system.



As for the cancer and smoking argument, pay careful attention to the direction of the American medical system. With the soaring cost of procedures and technology and the ever dwindling reimbursement for physicians from medicare there will come a time when people that smoke will no longer receive any medical care for what they've done to themselves. Doctors grow tired of paying for the ignorance of the general public out of pocket.

The American medical system is moving towards a system where doctors will be paid for their services based upon surveys and general comments. Once this happens (which is already has if you haven't already noticed the surveys that you get in the mail after an office visit), doctors will be paid on a sliding scale. Unfortunately, doctors are already tired of that particular payment method, so they won't accept it. Medicine will go back to way it used be with only the rich receiving medical care, because they will be the only people that will be able to afford medical care. The physicians that are good at what they do will be well paid by the rich and those that are mediocre will be left to treat the rest. So, skilled doctors win, the rich win, unskilled doctors help the poor, and the poor ultimately loose.

Remember to read what I said above carefully. Our system is already moving that direction, because people refuse to take care of themselves, take advantage of insurance companies, and they take advantage of their doctors by not paying. I've spoken to way too many physicians that are willing to acknowledge this change and even embrace it.




Like I said before, cycling and stacking are considered drug abuse by the medical community. So, if he wants help, he can go and seek treatment for his problem or he can join a group to help him through it. Those are his only two options in my opinion.
 

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hair today gone tomorrow said:
does that mean that Doctor's salaries will be decreasing?

For primary care...yes. For those that subspecialize...no. It also depends upon how far removed any given physician's clinic or surgical center is from the monetary affairs fo their local hospital.
 

hair today gone tomorrow

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docj077 said:
hair today gone tomorrow said:
does that mean that Doctor's salaries will be decreasing?

For primary care...yes. For those that subspecialize...no. It also depends upon how far removed any given physician's clinic or surgical center is from the monetary affairs fo their local hospital.

damn that sucks...no worries im sure youll be making around 150k a year once your all done ;)
 
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