stop using shampoos with conditioner

chewbaca

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For those suffering from male pattern baldness, it is best to stop using conditioner shampoos, in other words shamppos which advertise as giving your hair, shine, riding split ends ect. what these actually do is "eat away" your hair to achieve their claims.

Anyway does anyone knows if there r shampoos which only clean and not condition hair..any recommendations

2) no SLS
2) natural ingredients
 

hair_tomorrow

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ChiaPet

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I have yet to find a shampoo that does NOT have SLS or some other derivative.. Jason's thin-to-thick claims to be all natural, but then when I checked out the ingredients, I found it had SMS, which may possibly be more damaging than SLS, but doesn’t have the controversy or history, making it seem 'ok' to use.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I've heard shampoos containing 'coconut acids' are essentially the same as shampoos with SLS - this is just a cover-up. (I believe baby shampoos say this) I’d love to give a natural shampoo a go, but if only somebody could let me know of a TRUE all-natural shampoo without any form of SLS.
 

87david

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Hey,

I believe that Aubrey Organics and Jason produces produces some all-natural products. I tried Aubrey Organics' "Green Tea Clarifying Shampoo" and "Green Tea Cream Rinse." They are very good products; however, I don't recommend the shampoo for daily use; it's very drying to your scalp.

Additionally, I've used Jason's lavendar shampoo and conditioner in addition to their biotin shampoo and conditioner. These are excellent products, especially the biotin shampoo and conditioner; they have natural menthol in them, and it really takes care of any scalp itch. However, I looked on my bottle and the shampoo does have SML in it, so maybe that's not what you're looking for. Incidentally, I did research another product by Jason, their "Natural Jojoba Shampoo," and it doesn't contain any SLS or SMS. Maybe you might want to try that.

Here the ingredients for the green tea shampoo and Jojoba:
Green Tea
http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/store/en/b ... id=AO-1313
Jojoba
http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/store/en/b ... id=JS-1109



Here's their websites to research some of their products:
http://www.aubrey-organics.com/spec_pro ... ir_cat.cfm

http://www.jason-natural.com/products/e ... r_care.php
 

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To be honest, I don’t think SLS or any derivative of it will make much of a difference to male pattern baldness. It is (largely) a genetic condition.

Sure, using SLS may exacerbate things a *little*, however, I’ve been using shampoos with the stuff all my life, including the past 3 years of my regimen, with little to no detriment.

If you really want all natural shampoos – Morrocco Method.

Used them for 6 months, but made no real difference to my hair.

Def
 

87david

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I agree, def. But for those who wash their hair every day (I do) it might be a good idea not to use SLS shampoos daily. I tried the shampoos previously mentioned above, and I must say that I really didn't notice any potential benefit from using them. However, that is not to say that other people could not realize some benefit, especially people sensitive to harsh chemicals.

On a side note, I have used Nizoral and Alpecin for a couple of months but haven't noticed any benefit from them at all for hair loss.
 

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Sebamed everyday shampoo is GOOD.

baby shampoos are crap and sometimes very harsh!

just because a shampoo is organic or "natural" doesn't mean its good or gentle on hair.
 

luca_toni

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i don't believe in 2 in 1 shampoos too, but i really like stieprox, it contains conditioner, and is medicated. my fav shampoo now.
 

The Gardener

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chewbaca said:
For those suffering from male pattern baldness, it is best to stop using conditioner shampoos, in other words shamppos which advertise as giving your hair, shine, riding split ends ect. what these actually do is "eat away" your hair to achieve their claims.

I don't use such a shampoo, but I think your claim is complete bullshiit. Do you have ANY proof, or even any anecdotal evidence even if unscientific to back this claim, or is it "just a thought you had today" that you decided to post to rake up some muck?

Now, I believe that this forum should be a place where people should be able to discuss anything, even wild ideas. My problem is not with your premise, the problem I have is with your irresponsible wording. Saying "what these actually do is "eat away" your hair" makes it sound like you are saying this from some sort of position of authority, which you definitely are not. Instead of that, a more responsible and honest way of making your statement would be to phrase it as follows " IT IS MY OPINION THAT what these actually do is "eat away" your hair". That's a more accurate, and less selfishly narcissistic and attention craving way of making the same claim.
 

chewbaca

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The Gardener said:
chewbaca said:
For those suffering from male pattern baldness, it is best to stop using conditioner shampoos, in other words shamppos which advertise as giving your hair, shine, riding split ends ect. what these actually do is "eat away" your hair to achieve their claims.

I don't use such a shampoo, but I think your claim is complete bullshiit. Do you have ANY proof, or even any anecdotal evidence even if unscientific to back this claim, or is it "just a thought you had today" that you decided to post to rake up some muck?

Now, I believe that this forum should be a place where people should be able to discuss anything, even wild ideas. My problem is not with your premise, the problem I have is with your irresponsible wording. Saying "what these actually do is "eat away" your hair" makes it sound like you are saying this from some sort of position of authority, which you definitely are not. Instead of that, a more responsible and honest way of making your statement would be to phrase it as follows " IT IS MY OPINION THAT what these actually do is "eat away" your hair". That's a more accurate, and less selfishly narcissistic and attention craving way of making the same claim.

Fist, u didnt use them before.Then how the nut case will u be able to know what i am talking about? Simple let me explain. have u wondered why your hair looks smooth and shiny after a wash with such conditioning shampoos? Basically they "trim" your hair strands ridding of split ends . In other words, "chemically eating" your hair to achieve that effect.

So if u have thinning hair, U are better off not using them as they will thin your hair even more.
 

The Gardener

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Makes sense. Not sure if that is actually how the shampoos work, but it might be the case. That explanation helps.
 

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It's a interesting premise, and I don't dispute that it may possibly be true. I'd certainly be interested in seeing any evidence of it. However, as with everything else, you have to weigh up the how the pros and cons affect you personally.

For myself, I shall continue with my conditioner, because (along with T-gel) it helps considerably with offsetting the harsh effects of nizoral and minoxidil, and I don't believe I'm seeing any negative effects from it. But we all need to find our own way.
 

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conditioners do not eat away your hair at a microscopic level. They work by smoothing down the the cuticle edges of your hair that have expanded outwards due to humidity and friction.

Read this:

Study of human hair on the nanometer level
Main Category: Dermatology News
Article Date: 09 Sep 2005 - 0:00am (UK)

Ohio State University researchers have just completed the first comprehensive study of human hair on the nanometer level.

Special equipment enabled Bharat Bhushan and his colleagues to get an unprecedented close-up look at a rogue's gallery of bad hair days - from chemically overprocessed locks to curls kinked up by humidity.

They used the techniques they developed to test a new high-tech hair conditioner.

Ultimately, the same techniques could be used to improve lipstick, nail polish and other beauty products, said Bhushan , Ohio Eminent Scholar and the Howard D. Winbigler Professor of mechanical engineering at Ohio State .

His specialty is nanotribology - the measurement of very small things, such as the friction between moving parts in microelectronics.

At first, hair seemed like an unlikely study subject, he said. Then he was invited to give a lecture to scientists at Procter & Gamble Co.

"It turns out that, for hair, friction is a major issue," he said. Everyday activities like washing, drying, combing and brushing all cause hairs to rub against objects and against each other, he explained. Over time, the friction causes wear and tear - two processes that he and his colleagues are very familiar with, though they're normally studying the wear between tiny motors and gears.

"We realized that beauty care was an emerging area for us and we should dive in," Bhushan said.

He consulted for the company until P&G became an industrial partner in his laboratory, supplying him with samples of healthy and damaged hair. The Ohio State engineers examined hairs under an atomic force microscope (AFM), a tool that let them scratch the surface of hairs and probe inside the hair shaft with a very tiny needle. They published their results in the journal Ultramicroscopy, in a paper now available on the Web.

Among their findings: hair conditioners typically do not evenly cover the entire hair shaft.

P&G recently developed a new formula with additives to make the conditioner coat the hair evenly. In tests, Bhushan found that the new conditioner did coat hair more evenly.

Meanwhile, they examined healthy and damaged hairs under an electron microscope and an AFM, and simulated everyday wear and tear by rubbing hairs together and against polyurethane film to simulate skin.

"We didn't know what we were looking for," Bhushan said. "People know a lot about hair, but nobody has used an AFM to really study the structure of hair. So we already knew some things, but otherwise we didn't know what to expect."

Under the electron microscope, individual hairs looked like tree trunks, wrapped in layers of cuticle that resembled bark. In healthy hair, the cuticle edges lay flat against the hair shaft, but as hair gets damaged from chemical treatments or wear and tear, the cuticle edges begin to peel away from the shaft. That much was already known.

The researchers simulated what happens when damaged hair is exposed to humidity; the hairs plump up, and the cuticles stick out even further, leading to frizz. More frizz meant more friction - a fact confirmed by the AFM as researchers dragged a tiny needle across the surface.

Conditioner tends to stick to the cuticle edges, and can make the hair sticky on the nanometer scale. The researchers determined that by poking the hair shaft with the needle, and measuring the force required to pull it away.

They also probed inside hairs to measure the hardness of different layers of the shaft. Hair has a very complex structure, Bhushan said, and these first ultra-precise measurements of interior structure could one day lead to new products that treat hair from the inside.

In the future, he thinks his AFM techniques could be used to develop wear-resistant nail polishes and lipsticks.

Bhushan conducted this work with graduate student Carmen LaTorre and postdoctoral researchers Nianhuan Chen and Guohua Wei, all of Ohio State.

Written by Pam Frost Gorder
 

RecedingBoy

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I shampoo my hair everyday. I use Dermatch, so HAVE to clean it properly everyday.

Normal people shampoo a couple times per week.

This topic has been covered MANY times on here.

SO WHATS THE CONSENSUS, IS IT OKAY TO SHAMPOO EVERYDAY?


And if so, what shampoos are gentle enough for everday use? I want something that gives me a rich LATHER.

Thanks
 
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