Supplementing Finasteride With Saw Palmetto?

[ryan r]

Hi everyone,

I've been successfully using finasteride since Oct '07. Now I feel like I'm slowly losing ground again, at my hairline I'm afraid. To combat this, I've started using minoxidil twice daily again (instead of one for a while, and then sometimes not even that, just being sloppy with it), and I've added Nanoxidil once a day to it (I use it mid-day). I got a feeling this might not be enough, so my question is, before I would make the possible leap to dutasteride (do doctors even prescribe that for hairloss?), would it be wise to try to supplement finasteride with saw palmetto?

I don't know much about it except that its a natural DHT inhibitor, but maybe the effects would be zero if someone's already on finasteride.

I'm curious as to what you guys think!

BTW I also use nizoral, and then just some thickening stuff to make my hair look good but that obviously wont effect growth

 

[SmoothSailing]

At best Saw Palmetto is a weaker finasteride, but it does block both type I and type II like duasteride, whereas finasteride only blocks type II. So maybe worth a try.

There are two isomers of this enzyme, with 5α-reductase type II being more heavily implicated in hair loss leading to the selective 5α-reductase type II inhibitor, finasteride, being investigated with success in preventing baldness associated with androgens (regardless of biological sex[35][36]). Despite the abundance of type II isoforms in hair follicles, inhibiting both type I and type II may be more effective at preventing hair loss, since dutasteride (an inhibitor of both) outperforms finasteride.[37][38] Saw palmetto has been studied in male pattern baldness due to having inhibitory actions against both isoforms of the enzyme.[5]

https://examine.com/supplements/saw-palmetto/

 

[sunchyme1]

Hi everyone,

I've been successfully using finasteride since Oct '07. Now I feel like I'm slowly losing ground again, at my hairline I'm afraid. To combat this, I've started using minoxidil twice daily again (instead of one for a while, and then sometimes not even that, just being sloppy with it), and I've added Nanoxidil once a day to it (I use it mid-day). I got a feeling this might not be enough, so my question is, before I would make the possible leap to dutasteride (do doctors even prescribe that for hairloss?), would it be wise to try to supplement finasteride with saw palmetto?

I don't know much about it except that its a natural DHT inhibitor, but maybe the effects would be zero if someone's already on finasteride.

I'm curious as to what you guys think!

BTW I also use nizoral, and then just some thickening stuff to make my hair look good but that obviously wont effect growth

10 years of finasteride

f*** me

does your dick still work?

 

[TheGrayMan2001]

10 years of finasteride

f*** me

does your dick still work?

Most people's will still work after years on finasteride. I have been on finasteride and now dutasteride since 2010. No libido or erection issues.

 

[TheGrayMan2001]

I highly doubt Saw Palmetto does anything that finasteride isn't already doing. I just finished reading the Wikipedia article on it and I found only negative statements and facts about it.

I would get on Dutasteride rather than add that.

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

I highly doubt Saw Palmetto does anything that finasteride isn't already doing. I just finished reading the Wikipedia article on it and I found only negative statements and facts about it.

I would get on Dutasteride rather than add that.

Wikipedia is surprisingly conservative on matters relating to medicine and nutrition.

 

[TheGrayMan2001]

Yes, it is, but I even did searches for hair loss studies and DHT reduction studies and found very little. I don't even see a study for hair loss related to saw palmetto. The only thing I have found is one small study from 2001 that says they think Saw Palmetto might help in reduction of DHT near the prostate. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11337315

Even if that study could be replicated (and I have seen nothing else yet), Finasteride is probably far superior and I doubt the effects "stack".

 

[SmoothSailing]

Yes, it is, but I even did searches for hair loss studies and DHT reduction studies and found very little. I don't even see a study for hair loss related to saw palmetto. The only thing I have found is one small study from 2001 that says they think Saw Palmetto might help in reduction of DHT near the prostate. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11337315

Even if that study could be replicated (and I have seen nothing else yet), Finasteride is probably far superior and I doubt the effects "stack".

On this thread are a list of studies I've come across. Nothing substantial, but I believe there's enough to garner it does something.

 

[Rocknroutlaw]

As mentioned above, saw palmetto is perceived as a 'weak Finasteride'. I don't see the harm in adding it to your regime though. I've been taking it since I' began Finasteride so can't really quantify its benefits. However, if you feel that you have reached a point where you'd need much more to maintain, go for Dutasteride.

 

[ryan r]

At best Saw Palmetto is a weaker finasteride, but it does block both type I and type II like duasteride, whereas finasteride only blocks type II. So maybe worth a try.



https://examine.com/supplements/saw-palmetto/

Thanks for your input as well as providing some links.

 

[ryan r]

10 years of finasteride

f*** me

does your dick still work?

Yeah, why wouldn't it?

 

[ryan r]

All right, thank you all for your answers, anybody might know if doctors actually prescribe the stuff? Not sure yet if I'll hop on it, the extra minoxidil and nanoxidil might stabilize things.

 

[sunchyme1]

Yeah, why wouldn't it?

lol i was just messing around man

but i am curious about long term finasteride users, i rarely see them

do you have much body hair? body wise are you in good shape, any excess fat?

any side effects at all youve noticed?

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

All right, thank you all for your answers, anybody might know if doctors actually prescribe the stuff? Not sure yet if I'll hop on it, the extra minoxidil and nanoxidil might stabilize things.

It's over the counter and comes in fifty varieties.

 

[TheGrayMan2001]

On this thread are a list of studies I've come across. Nothing substantial, but I believe there's enough to garner it does something.

That was a good collection of studies. I ran across a couple of those but not all.

After looking at the information in those abstracts and results, though, I have to say I would not even remotely consider Saw Palmetto when Finasteride and Dutasteride are available. Far more effective.

 

[ryan r]

lol i was just messing around man

but i am curious about long term finasteride users, i rarely see them

do you have much body hair? body wise are you in good shape, any excess fat?

any side effects at all youve noticed?

Haha ok. I don't have any nasty sides, the only one I noticed is the lack of morning boners, but I hated those anyway so I actually see that as a plus. I'm pretty lean but I work out a lot and am pretty spot on with my nutrition. There's this dude, 'the second smartest man on the planet', and he takes finasteride as a precaution to prostate enlargement, he sais the added benefits are more hair and more available testosterone (lower DHT apparently means more T). So you even have some dudes taking this stuff because they think it add to overall health! But if you keep reading all those horror stories on forums, yeah people can get scared.

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

Why would you hate morning wood?

 

[ryan r]

Why would you hate morning wood?

Who needs unwanted erections? I don't know about you, but when I wake up, usually I have to take a piss. Pretty darn difficult with a full on boner. Morning wood also doesn't have anything to do with being turned on, so its not like I'm missing a part of my sex life. Just unwanted blood flow in some places.

 

[TheGrayMan2001]

When I first started on finasteride I did not have morning wood for a few months. It eventually came back, though.

 

[g.i joey]

When I first started on finasteride I did not have morning wood for a few months. It eventually came back, though.

Hey dude, should i be worried if im 6 months in and my hair hasnt changed much? i can say MAYBE ive experienced even further thinning but this is all speculation. Overall i think my hair is the same.. do you think i have any chance of still making a comeback? im hitting month 7 on april 5th.