Ive been a member of this from first week it was created....just some things i felt a need to say i guess....as many of you who have been on this forum , we all see the patterns of people who post(including myself)...the newbies who have just started out and are so optimistic about their hair....they believe the stats on propecia and think they will be saved because they caught it early...there are those who have been on finasteride for a while and who really havent seen results but their spririts are kept alive by those who say give it time ...at least two years or somethn like that...then on a more daily basis there are those who come in and post with a new sense of confidence stating why hairloss will no longer get the betetr of them or why it is so trivial or why it doesnt matter period...often there will be the person who just got a haircut and suddenly starts to think ...wow i look good or wow my hairloss isnt as bad as i thot...and they post then about this and maybe even attribute it to meds or a tan or sometimes they even think maybe they werent losing it at all...then few weeks maybe even days later they are back again in the mix with discouraged thoughts or lil confidence again asking same questions about the future cloning...meds..cure alls...etc (me included)...if one could ever jsut organize each individuals posts they would see such patterns of highs and lows(some only lows)...then of course their are the posts that just get people thinkn like hot showers are bad...certain foods ...these in hindsight are hilarious but at the time they get you wondering....it really is so predictable....the worst part is ...the few meds that are "proven" dont seemingly work...you can argue until you are blue in the face about the stats of finasteride and how 83 % will maintain....well it is obvious that from this forum alone...people who are losing hair at early ages and who start propecia and stay on it still continue to lose hair...bottom line....you would be very hard pressed to find instances where people say i was once positively losing my hair and now it has stopped ...neevrmind 83 %....and then there is the argument ive heard " well if u get results than there is no need to come back on the site...hairloss is no longer an issue in your life so u no longer visit gourmetstylewellness.com"....cmon...you mean to tell me that some people would not want to stay and post success stories? and i i mean real success stories where they keep their hair for years ...not like i said before that they see a few diff new hairs under a certain light or get a better haircut..and not men who are completely bald who get some fuzz in the back ....99% of us arent interested in that.... i mean hairloss that stops for a long time..im sorry but u will not read anything like that here...i can honestly say that if i had results i would love to share them with others who have styruggled and i know im not the only one who feels this way....is there great research goin on out there...i bet there is....is dht involved ? prolly in some ways yes....is propecia effective against hairloss...it seems like the only sensible answer is no because most of here on this site take it and we still lose hair...makes sense...and we still see studies now surfacing about how scientists are findng other factors that may be responsible rather than dht...liek sebum flow... anyways just wanted to rant about what ive seen in my three years on this site and certain patterns and realizations that seem so obvious...believe it or not i have even more opionons but my computer is running out of ink...and yes you will still see m posting with hopeful questions or concerns following those same patterns that i see everyone else following ...good days ...bad days...etc...i stay on my meds at this point merley so when its all said and done i can say well hey i tried...lil peace of mind...share some thoughts if ud like...peace
This is how i see it...actually this is how it is...
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Johnny24601
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"is propecia effective against hairloss...it seems like the only sensible answer is no because most of here on this site take it and we still lose hair"
male pattern baldness has been part of humanity for some time yet it has only been appropriately studied for a few years. Did you expect human beings to have created a pill to be completely alter a natural human body function in such a short time?
You seem to be contributing to the misinformation here because it appears finasteride has succeeded in slowing down hairloss in many men on this board and I consider that great success. It appears it has done nothing for you and that is too bad.
I agree with some of the things you have said but you pointed out many of the negative aspects of finasteride and failed to point out that many on this board have reported a drastic reduction in the rate of their hairloss.....period. I have cought my hairloss early (like many others on this site) and a reduction in the rate of hair decline would be something I consider "effective against hairloss".
"is propecia effective against hairloss...it seems like the only sensible answer is no because most of here on this site take it and we still lose hair"
male pattern baldness has been part of humanity for some time yet it has only been appropriately studied for a few years. Did you expect human beings to have created a pill to be completely alter a natural human body function in such a short time?
You seem to be contributing to the misinformation here because it appears finasteride has succeeded in slowing down hairloss in many men on this board and I consider that great success. It appears it has done nothing for you and that is too bad.
I agree with some of the things you have said but you pointed out many of the negative aspects of finasteride and failed to point out that many on this board have reported a drastic reduction in the rate of their hairloss.....period. I have cought my hairloss early (like many others on this site) and a reduction in the rate of hair decline would be something I consider "effective against hairloss".
viperfish
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I agree with every word you said. I have come to realize, within the past month or so, that you just have to accept this. I go out on the town and see 'tons' of guys who are losing their hair and they are still picking up the chicks and having a great time. It is all about having a great time with your life and not letting this 'thing' get to you. I have finally accepted my situation and I'm happy with who I am.
I do agree that there are alot of up and down posts here on a continuous basis. I think alot of the time people post of success because they are experiencing a 'placebo' type effect. It's the excitment of being on a 'treatment' and thinking my hair is looking better or should be looking better and therefore believing that it does look better (half the before and after pictures I see posted do not show that much to me). However, 1 week later you will hear that same person say their hair has gone to complete sh*t. Lets face it, the stuff that is available now might improve your hair somewhat, but eventually you will be bald so you_have_face_it (sooner better than later). There are people who think I'm on finasteride and I will never lose my hair! :lol: Give it a couple of years, if your lucky, and lets just see how much hair you have. The most you can expect is short-term improvement. People have to understand that you are genetically pre-determined to lose your hair and nothing at this point is going to stop it. I really think it's all about accepting it, moving on, and likeing who you are. Life is too short!
I do agree that there are alot of up and down posts here on a continuous basis. I think alot of the time people post of success because they are experiencing a 'placebo' type effect. It's the excitment of being on a 'treatment' and thinking my hair is looking better or should be looking better and therefore believing that it does look better (half the before and after pictures I see posted do not show that much to me). However, 1 week later you will hear that same person say their hair has gone to complete sh*t. Lets face it, the stuff that is available now might improve your hair somewhat, but eventually you will be bald so you_have_face_it (sooner better than later). There are people who think I'm on finasteride and I will never lose my hair! :lol: Give it a couple of years, if your lucky, and lets just see how much hair you have. The most you can expect is short-term improvement. People have to understand that you are genetically pre-determined to lose your hair and nothing at this point is going to stop it. I really think it's all about accepting it, moving on, and likeing who you are. Life is too short!
i have to agree with everything said as well... if i had some good results to meds you could bet your *** i'd post a success story, and i think others would too. i think the explanation that those who improve leave and never come back to talk about their success is bs. it's like bragging rights (not that i'm a cocky bastard, but i'd certainly be proud of the fact that i beat male pattern baldness).
and yeah, i think this 83% is total sh*t. i was optimistic when i started and believed the numbers, but the fact that at least 50% of the people who are on propecia (atleast those on these boards) are still losing their hair smells really damn fishy. and on top of that the price they charge for it is enought to make me want to scream bloody murder.
rant over. back to work.
and yeah, i think this 83% is total sh*t. i was optimistic when i started and believed the numbers, but the fact that at least 50% of the people who are on propecia (atleast those on these boards) are still losing their hair smells really damn fishy. and on top of that the price they charge for it is enought to make me want to scream bloody murder.
rant over. back to work.
Johnny24601
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So I agree with much of what you said, but in your mind do you think finasteride has a correlation to at least slowing down the rate of male pattern baldness in a large majority of men who take it?
What freaks me out is that finasteride was developed to fight prostate cancer. Its use for male pattern baldness developed out of what appears to be pure luck and not scientific investigation. I tend to thik they had an idea DHT was related to male pattern baldness in some way and that finasteride fights DHT.
So I agree with much of what you said, but in your mind do you think finasteride has a correlation to at least slowing down the rate of male pattern baldness in a large majority of men who take it?
What freaks me out is that finasteride was developed to fight prostate cancer. Its use for male pattern baldness developed out of what appears to be pure luck and not scientific investigation. I tend to thik they had an idea DHT was related to male pattern baldness in some way and that finasteride fights DHT.
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Odelay
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If just stopping hairloss was the main goal of everyone then there probably would be a lot more success stories, but most people are looking to regrow hair as well as maintaining what they had which isn't an easy thing to do. My experience with Propecia is that it stopped my hair loss, but like the comment above I wanted to regrow hair I had already lost and was unlikely to regrow. When the twelve month mark rolled around I felt I had lost a lot of hair already and didn't really want to keep shelling out the money every month to continue treatment, not because it wasn't working but because my expectations were high and the results fell short of what I was hoping for.
If you are looking for a person that the treatment worked then you just got your success story because Propecia is more about maintaining than it is regrowing. :wink:
If you are looking for a person that the treatment worked then you just got your success story because Propecia is more about maintaining than it is regrowing. :wink:
MidnightFlyer
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People are freaking out - in real tme - and this board is 'virtual group therapy' if nothing else.
I agree with everything you've said, but as humans, we are an unbelievably neurotic bunch. That ain't gonna change, and as everyone goes through their 'freakout' curve, they will experience similiar things. I've been reading this board as long as you, if not longer. You remember Rocky?
To me the funniest thing about this site is to watch Bryan and S. Foote go at it. That is high comedy.
I agree with everything you've said, but as humans, we are an unbelievably neurotic bunch. That ain't gonna change, and as everyone goes through their 'freakout' curve, they will experience similiar things. I've been reading this board as long as you, if not longer. You remember Rocky?
To me the funniest thing about this site is to watch Bryan and S. Foote go at it. That is high comedy.
it very well may slow it down...however like i stated in my unparagraphed rant...according to this site propecia seemingly does not stop hairloss...and yes i have looked at the success stories and the before and afters and yes there are a couple in there that seem legit....but again ill be honest....i see so many times people showin pics where i see nothn to smile at...and of course everyone is nice and we all encourage one another...but im being honest i have yet to see 1 yes even 1 success story that screams wow peopcia really worked for him or any treatment for that matter....just being honest...if u have any in mind point them out and ill checkk em out ...
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sherwood said:
It has completely stopped my hairloss and many others. This board is not a true representation of all people using the drug.
But I get your point, some peoples idea of what results are differ. So the way one person sees it, is only true for them in this case.
and cassin....ill be honest....what u just said is what we should expect to see way more of from a drug that claims or is perceived to stop hairloss...but i hardly ever read (never) propecia stopped my hairloss....and again when i do hear successs i hear those same people(including myself) days or weeks later all in a fuss again...
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sherwood said:
I really think your perspective is skewed by the posts you read on these boards. You need to focus on the lack of 5, 10 or 15 "post" users (or lurkers) who ask a few questions, read some posts and never come back, and don't post success stories or complain. Those are the true representatives of the public.
well cassin i respect ur opinion cuz uve been around forever...but again i must say i read almost only negative instances where people have supposedly used the drug for a long period of time...in the right dosages with no real results and i am reading the same forum as you, as much as i understand which newbies u are talking a bout, i dont see a real change in success story percentage when we talk about experienced or knowledgeable posters who have been around a while...cuz plus if ur counting negative responses by people who just post out of fear or a bad hair day than u gotta know there are just as many of those saying after a week yeah this stuff has made a difference...or i can already see it thickening up...it goes both ways...unfortunately those are the ones that are back the next day after they shower
Cassin
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sherwood said:
You know what, your right. The knee jerk reactionary posts are a burden on reality here.
Anyway, I hope you the best in your hairloss battle whatever road you take it down. In the end your doing the right thing because I think you are someone who follows their own gut and does what they feel is best which is a good thing.