Who Here Take Propecia and have since had a fertility Test?

ANDREW_J_I

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i am just curious as to whether people who take propecia on this site, have had a fertility test for whatever reason since getting on propecia?

Or do you know any stories of people who have?
 

kienast

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Hello.

I have been on Propecia since february 2005 . The only side effects I have since then is a reduce amount of sperm during ejaculation.
My partner have been trying to conceive since 10 month with no joy . I did a sperm test in june which shows an issue on the mobility aspect afer 4/6 hours.
I did the test at home and then bring the semen to the labo myself .
I will be doing another test next week to make sure if it was an "accident" or if there is something else. If this second test shows problems I will definitively stop propecia and do another test in 3 month from now and check the difference .

I will definitively let you know . If Mercks are lying .......................Well that can be the beginning of a once fight ....

Cheers
K.
 
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I know plenty of people firsthand who have conceived successfully after being on Propecia.

End of story.
 

kienast

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I dont agree with you . It looks like , years after years , they are discovering that finasteride can have a really bad impact on sperm .
time yill tell us.
rgds
da.
 

Mew

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Don't doubt the connection, if you are having issues get off the medication and get re-tested.


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Attached screenshot (below) from PAGE 6:
http://www.mhra.gov.uk/home/groups/l-un ... 014027.pdf




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http://www.renalandurologynews.com/Propecia ... le/104651/

Propecia, Infertility Link Suspected

Some subfertile men may experience hormonal changes that result in lower sperm counts


January 1, 2008

WASHINGTON, D.C.—A handful of cases suggest that finasteride (Propecia), a treatment for male pattern hair loss, may be harming male fertility.

Finasteride, a 5-alpha-reductase inhibitor used to treat BPH, is also available as a 1-mg tablet taken daily by men wishing to prevent hair loss. It now appears that this dosage can decrease total sperm counts in some men with suboptimal fertility. The treatment does not significantly affect overall semen parameters in young, healthy men.



“Propecia is widely used in young men who are preventing hair loss, and the reproductive consequences have never been discussed,†said Kirk Lo, MD, assistant professor in the department of surgery at the University of Toronto in Canada. “It may not be an issue in normal, healthy men, but in the subfertile population perhaps there is a change in the hormonal balance. Propecia may change testosterone and other hormone levels.â€


Stopping drug improves sperm


At the American Society for Reproductive Medicine annual meeting here, Dr. Lo and his colleagues reported that they observed sperm concentrations improve significantly in two men six months after they stopped taking finasteride. In one of the men—a 34-year-old with azoospermia—the improvements were strong enough to correct the condition and eliminate the need for testicular biopsy. The patient, who had a preliminary diagnosis of obstructive azoospermia and was scheduled for testicular biopsy, had been taking finasteride 1 mg per day for hair loss for four years.


Several semen analyses over a 12-month period had revealed azoospermia with sperm rarely seen. The man's follicle-stimulating hormone (FSH) level was 3 IU/L, his luteinizing hormone (LH) level was 3.3 IU/L, and his total testosterone level was 23 nmol/L. An examination confirmed normal testicular volume and the presence of bilateral vas deferens.



The man was advised to stop taking finasteride, and 12 weeks after doing so, his sperm concentration was 0.9 2 106/mL. It climbed to 5.5 2 106/mL after six months without the drug. The patient was then told to proceed with other fertility treatments.



In the second case, a 32-year-old male with severe oligospermia had a semen volume of 1.4 mL, sperm concentration of 4 2 106/mL, 14% mo-tility, 5% normal forms, and normal testicular size. He had been taking finasteride 1 mg/day for three years. Three months after he stopped taking the drug, his sperm concentration improved to 6.6 2 106/mL, which rose to 18.7 2 106/mL after six months.



Dr. Lo said these cases suggest that discontinuing the use of finasteride 1 mg in the infertility population may help improve semen parameters and allow for less invasive fertility treatments. “We now have five cases in total, and at this meeting we are talking to our colleagues who are reporting two or three cases,†Dr. Lo told Renal & Urology News. “So now we are trying to get everyone together so we can report on a bigger series. It may be an issue all over the world because Propecia use is getting more popular, so physicians need to know about this.â€


Paul Turek, MD, professor of urology at the University of California, San Francisco, called this is a very important issue. “The FDA does not require fertility studies of these drugs, and it has been the suspicion of most of us in the field that if you take this drug for more than five years then you might consider stopping it because it does look like a player in decreasing spermatogenesis,†he explained. “But this needs to be confirmed, and it may be a good multicenter-institution study to consider undertaking.â€


Dr. Turek said he has seen six similar cases and he has encouraged his patients to stop using finasteride for treating hair loss.




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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/quer ... t=Abstract

FULL PDF: http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/rapidp ... 2203v1.pdf

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The Effect of 5{alpha}-Reductase Inhibition with Dutasteride and Finasteride on Semen Parameters and Serum Hormones in Healthy Men.

J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2007 Feb 13

Context: Dutasteride and finasteride are 5alpha-reductase inhibitors (5ARI) that dramatically reduce serum levels of dihydrotestosterone (DHT).


Objective: As androgens are essential for fertility, we sought to determine the impact of 5ARI administration on serum testosterone (T), DHT, and spermatogenesis.


Design, Setting, Subjects, and Intervention: We conducted a randomized, double-blinded, placebo-controlled trial in 99 healthy men randomly assigned to receive dutasteride (0.5 mg) (n = 33), finasteride (5 mg) (n = 34) or placebo (n = 32) once daily for 1 year.


Main Outcome Measures: Blood and semen samples were collected at baseline, at 26 and 52 weeks of treatment, and at 24 weeks post-treatment, and were assessed for T, DHT, and semen parameters.


Results: Dutasteride (D) and finasteride (F) significantly (P < 0.001) suppressed serum DHT compared with placebo (dutasteride, 94%; finasteride 73%), and transiently increased serum T.

In both treatment groups, total sperm count compared to baseline was significantly decreased at 26 weeks (D -28.6%, F -34.3%) but not at 52 weeks (D -24.9%, F -16.2%) nor at the 24 week follow-up (D -23.3%, F -6.2%).

At 52 weeks, semen volume was decreased (D -29.7%, F -14.5%, significantly for D) as was sperm concentration (D -13.2%, F -7.4%, neither significant).

There was a significant reduction of 6-12% in sperm motility during treatment with both dutasteride and finasteride and at follow-up. Neither treatment had any effect on sperm morphology.


Conclusions: This study demonstrates that the decrease in DHT induced by 5ARIs is associated with mild decreases in semen parameters that appear reversible after discontinuation.



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Spermatozoa and Chronic Treatment with Finasteride

http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/conten ... 630~db=all

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Finasteride is a specific inhibitor of the 5 reductase enzyme originally approved for the treatment of benign prostatic hypertrophy and also for the treatment of androgenetic alopecia (Androgenetic Alopecia) in men at a dose of 1 mg/day.

We report on three cases of young men recruited at our Centre for Male Infertility who had used finasteride for five years. Semen quality was investigated by light microscopy to evaluate sperm concentration and motility.

Sperm morphology was performed by transmission electron microscope (TEM) and the data were analyzed. The presence of Y microdeletions was investigated by PCR. Meiotic segregation was explored by fluorescence in situ hybridization (FISH).

Patient 1 was azoospermic, patients 2 and 3 showed a normal sperm concentration and severely reduced progressive motility. TEM analysis revealed altered sperm morphology consistent with necrosis and FISH data revealed elevated diploidy and sex chromosome disomy frequencies.
This examination was repeated 1 year after the men had suspended the use of finasteride, without receiving any other treatment. A recovery of spermatogenetic process was observed.

Motility and morphology improved whereas the meiotic pattern did not change presenting elevated diploidy and sex chromosome disomy frequency.





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Male Contraception: Views to the 21st
Century, Bethesda, MD, USA,
9–10 September 1999

http://dspace.hsl.washington.edu/dspace ... _Views.pdf

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"... The tissues of the male reproductive
tract, including the epididymis (and
even the testis), are target tissues for
androgens
. However, very little is
known about the mechanism of action
of androgens on these tissues. Androgens
are found in high concentration
in the epididymal lumen, and the
importance of androgens, particularly
dihydrotestosterone in sperm maturation
is well known
.

Indeed, androgen
withdrawal results in apoptotic cell
death along the entire epididymis
8
.
Thus, it becomes critical to identify the
genes that are controlled by androgens.

In this regard, a murine epididymal
retinoic acid-binding protein, belonging
to the lipocalin family of proteins, was
recently characterized and found to be
androgen regulated and expressed in
the caput epididymidis9.

As dihydrotestosterone
levels are high in the caput
region, it is reasonable to propose that
blockage of 5a-reductase activity with a
compound such as finasteride would
provide an effective means to block the
expression of androgen-regulated genes
that are important for sperm maturation
at least in the caput region
.


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$tackz

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Admin said:
I know plenty of people firsthand who have conceived successfully after being on Propecia.

End of story.
What does this prove? No one said 100% of people who take Propecia become sterile after that.

lol @ End of story.
 

kienast

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I agree. We are not saying that in ALL CASES finasteride provoke infertility . What I believe is in certain case it COULD definitively worsen your situation.
I have read many stories on other forums where people were complaning about various issues at their very first sperm test . Lack of mobility , lack of "normal" spermatazozo , ect ......
After stoping finasteride all parameters came back to normals .................To me this is a very explicit proof that a direct link "could" exist between finasteride and men infertility...........
I am tre-aking my test next week , 3 months after the fist one while still on finasteride.
I will post the result on this forum.
Rgds
K.
 

mj9

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very interesting... keep us posted...

Admin - why do you sound so confident that finasteride does not have effects on fertility?
 

Mew

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For those taking finasteride, or especially Dutasteride... some more food for thought... although this involves use of extraneous Testosterone.

Inhibition of 5 alpha-reductase activity impairs the testosterone- dependent restoration of spermiogenesis in adult rats
http://endo.endojournals.org/cgi/reprint/137/7/2703

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In summary we have shown that the restoration of spermatogenesis
by T is impaired by the inhibition of 5areduction
of T to its more potent metabolite DHT
. This
effect was observed only at the lower administered T
doses. As the animal model used in this study is analogous
to the human T-based contraceptive regimen
, it remains to
be investigated whether 5a-reduction of T is involved in
maintaining the low levels of spermatogenesis seen in
some men who did not become azoospermic in a recent
worldwide trial (36). It has been suggested that these oligospermic
men had higher 5a-reductase activity than
azoospermic subjects (37) based on their serum T to DHT
ratios.
It is, therefore, possible that 5a-reduction of T may
play a role in human spermatogenesis in the contraceptive
situation.
 

medmax84

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kienast said:
I agree. We are not saying that in ALL CASES finasteride provoke infertility . What I believe is in certain case it COULD definitively worsen your situation.
I have read many stories on other forums where people were complaning about various issues at their very first sperm test . Lack of mobility , lack of "normal" spermatazozo , ect ......
After stoping finasteride all parameters came back to normals .................To me this is a very explicit proof that a direct link "could" exist between finasteride and men infertility...........
I am tre-aking my test next week , 3 months after the fist one while still on finasteride.
I will post the result on this forum.
Rgds
K.

Please do. Thank you :)
 

Curious108

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This thread has sort of put me off going on propecia at all.

I read up independantly about it a few days ago and the chances of side effects seemed so minimal, but from looking at this thread it appears most people are experiencing something.

That and I still have a few unanswered riddles. Does the semen of someone on the pills become harmful to women? Is it a no go to have sex without a condom for example, while on these pills?
 

kienast

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Guys ,

The test is tomorrow morning , I will let you know the outcome here .
Regards,
D.
 

treeshrew

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But, even Mew will admit that for MOST PEOPLE side effects experienced from propecia will subside after you stop taking the drug.

So even for the unlucky minority who have issues with sperm, going off the drug should, in most cases, return you to normal.

So to be in the category who (a) experience infertility AND (b) do not return to normal after stopping the drug, are a truly small percentage.
 

Rob3636

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I'm probably the only one who sees this as really exciting news.
Hair loss treatment and a male birth control in one pill. Thank you modern tech.
 

EasyEd

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Admin said:
I know plenty of people firsthand who have conceived successfully after being on Propecia.

End of story.

No, not end of story. What's with you protecting finasteride so much? Do you work for them? This is quite personal, but I have been trying to have a child with my wife for a few months now and have had the fertility doctor tell me to stop finasteride right away. I tested my sperm count while on it, and it was extremely low, with really bad motility. I tested again while off of it for 3 months, and both the count and motility increased and improved drastically. I also tested my sperm around 5 years ago in college because I was actually considering donating sperm for money, and my count was normal at the time, as was my motility...this was of course before I started taking finasteride. Why is it that this site condones success stories (which is fine), but doesn't allow people to tell potential horror stories? This is a hairloss site. We're all in this fight together, and should be aware of all of the pitfalls. There's a reason that not every single guy on the planet that's losing his hair doesn't take finasteride. It's a powerful drug with VERY serious side effects. I was on finasteride for 2 years, and it worked wonders for my hair, but it f*cked up my libido. I really don't give a sh*t if this scares off someone that might be considering taking it, because it's information worth knowing.
 

Harie

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OMG. This topic again.

I've been on finasteride and dutasteride and my wife got knocked up 2x in the span of 1 year and 9 months. Was on 1.25mg/day finasteride and she got pregnant late in 2005. When that kid was 1 year old, she got pregnant again...That time, I was on 1mg/week of dutasteride.

I seriously doubt people are shooting blanks after being on dutasteride or finasteride. sh*t, if anything, you've probably got more swimmers. finasteride/dutasteride raise testosterone levels. Increased test levels = higher sperm levels.
 

EasyEd

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Point taken, Harie. It obviously played no role on you, and I’m sure that it doesn’t for plenty of guys out there. But the point is that for some guys, it does play a negative role, and that should be talked about openly and guys on here shouldn’t have to hesitate to discuss it because Admin will come down on us with a whip if we criticize finasteride.
 

kienast

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Got the result today ............no good , at all .

22% of "normal" spermatozoons (must be superior at 30%) , lack of mobility ..............

I am definitively dropping off the drug and doing another test in 3 month . Then we will be sure .

Ciao
K.
 

Mew

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Thanks for the update, unfortunate it had to be bad news.

Dropping the Finasteride should potentially improve things, but keep us posted.
 

HT55

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I had a fertilty test a year ago after years on finasteride, I don't recall the exact number but 40 million rings a bell

I had the test because I was getting a vasectomy and wanted to make sure after years on finasteride I needed one ( used to believe the PSE hype )


My advice is go to a DR and see what he says before dropping the drug or you may end up with a still low sperm count and less hair
 
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