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Ru58841 is been out there for nearly 3 decades now. If anything, some former employees may have been using it for at least 20+ years. Why dont we contact them for more inside info?
Why Don’t We Contact The Labs Of Ru58841
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The only people that we would have any hope of contacting are the authors of the research papers that were written from 1995 to 2005. You can find some of them on LinkedIn.
All the labs that currently make RU are in China and the supply chain is so convoluted that I don’t even think Kane/Anageninc/Chemyo know exactly where the product comes from.
There are at least two legitimate distributors of RU in the USA, however they are not willing to work with you unless you are a reputable research lab. I know this because I recently tried to order something from them and both turned me away.
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Yeah, more than half of men suffer from hair loss. There is no way any of them didn’t use it on themselves. We just have to dig through Linkedin.
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Actually there are three that I’ve found. SelleckChem, MedChemExpress, and Biovision. I tried ordering from SelleckChem and they rejected my order post-sale and one of the others wouldn’t even let me place an order. I can’t remember if it was Bio or MedChem.
Because these labs are certifiably legit, their product is prohibitively expensive for daily use. I think my order from SelleckChem was $170 for 25 mg or something like that.
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I sort of doubt it. Your average person isn’t crazy enough to put potentially unsafe chemicals on themselves.
Also RU has been off the academic radar since about 2005. It’s doubtful that anybody who researched it back in the day risked using it themselves since finasteride-fear was so low back then. They probably would have just hopped on finasteride and forgot about research chemicals.
Just like how Finasteride slowed down the advancement of hair loss research by ostensibly being a well-tolerated treatment for the first decade of its marketization. At the time, there was no obvious reason to pursue other treatments, since finasteride was reportedly safe and effective. This might be why RU was axed during clinical trials.
Of course nowadays people are much more aware that finasteride is not a perfect treatment and hence the re-kindled interest in RU and other experimental treatments.
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I'm willing to bet it ALL comes from china. SelleckChem, MedChem, and all the other bioactive compound sellers based in the US are probably just analytical chemistry labs, verifying the sh*t they buy off alibaba.
It makes zero economic sense to make your own niche chemicals in the USA when you have to verify the purity regardless.
Also think about it, they have tens of thousands of chemicals in their catalogue. They probably don't keep inventory of every single obscure chemical such as RU58841 for the one time a year somebody actually tries to order some. No, when they receive an order they probably go straight to alibaba, get some sh*t expedited from China, test it, then ship it out to the customer. Sure, half the time they probably get ricin powder or whatever, but they throw that out and try a different seller until they get something legit that they can legally sell.
If I had HPLC and FTIR equipment, I'd start a business doing exactly what they're doing.
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If anyone speaks french well enough to ask about safety concerns with RU then the person to contact would be
Dr Evelyne Guénolé who conducted the human trials for Prostraken in 2002. This is the trial that was abandoned at phase 2a. I think she or anyone involved in the trial would be the most useful person to contact about it. The lab's contact details are:
Biotrial Research SAS
7-9 Rue Jean Louis Bertrand
Rennes
35000
France
Tel. : +33 (0)2 99 59 91 91
Fax : +33 (0)2 99 59 91 97
E-mail : [email protected]
Dr Evelyne Guénolé who conducted the human trials for Prostraken in 2002. This is the trial that was abandoned at phase 2a. I think she or anyone involved in the trial would be the most useful person to contact about it. The lab's contact details are:
Biotrial Research SAS
7-9 Rue Jean Louis Bertrand
Rennes
35000
France
Tel. : +33 (0)2 99 59 91 91
Fax : +33 (0)2 99 59 91 97
E-mail : [email protected]
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Is there any e-mail information etc.? I think I can contact her
Hey Sonic Temples, yes sorry I just edited that post the email address for the lab is [email protected] and Tel. : +33 (0)2 99 59 91 91. She may not still work there of course but hopefully you could track her down or find someone who knows her or worked on the trial. The reason that this trial was abandoned is the holy grail for users of RU. I'm sure someone there will speak english actually but would be easier if a good french speaker got in touch as medical language is pretty advanced French!
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I am contacting right now, thanks
Amazing- bravo for taking action on this- I'm sure that as a community we'd all feel much better to have this information. This is the link to the trial details: http://www.isrctn.com/ISRCTN49873657
It's worth noting that it's known as PSK 3841 for their purposes as Prostraken renamed it
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No, thank you for lending me a hand. I will repost the reply here as far as I get one (hopefully). Let me know if you have any questions for me to add
No probs at all- I am feeling at the moment that we should work together more in this section of the forum in the way that the hair replacement section do. We all have the same goal. It would be great to hear what you find out. I will also make some enquiries and post any results on this thread. I think that the information that we really need on RU is was the trial abandoned because of safety concerns or financial issues? It seems the chemical was nearing the end of its patent so it may be that Prostraken felt that even if it was a marketable product soon generics could be produced so they wouldn't make their money back
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Check my last post
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Did anything come of this in the end? I can't find the post you are referring to.
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Not really
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Ah that's unfortunate. Good on you for doing some actual digging though. Did they give any information at all? Guessing the doctor involved isn't there anymore.