Tinder 10/10 Male Experiment

[Rudiger]

I guess my beef with baldness is not that it is preventing me from being the best-looking guy in the room, but that it is preventing me from being the best-looking guy that I can be.

Precisely! And I wish more people had that sort of outlook on here. Females are obviously a huge talking point and concern in this sub-forum, and for most of us this is the biggest concern with balding (although our own individual self-esteem is also important when we look in the mirror, see pictures, etc) but I think it often gets put down to this black and white issue, the gorgeous full head vs the chubby bald pale alien, and a lot of the jokes and humour on here are based on this idea that it all boils down to these 2 types of men.

It is preventing you from being the best looking you can be, and that's a reality for anyone losing hair at any stage. I think it's an uphill battle for any balding guy, but not to let it define you in every way, and if anything this is a reason or motivation to try and improve on yourself in any other way possible, anything that pushes up the percentages of attractiveness you can possibly gain back, helps.

I often get mis-represented as a typical SlyBaldGuy attitude "just shave it br0 it's just hair! bic'n'tan! hit the gym! pick up- easy!" kinda guy, just for trying to remain level-headed on the topic of baldness, and I quickly correct anyone who attributes my arguments to that. Even though I think baldness clearly sucks, it negatively impacts any man or woman in many ways, but because I still don't think it's the end of the line, I'm seen as deluded and "positive". I thank you for putting it into perspective with the part I just quoted, it really is that simple.

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Don't try it if you want to keep your naivete.

Ah Fred really just shut up, it's not that I mind females wanting to **** 10/10 guys with hair, it's just that I simply doubt these girls would believe it to be true, just because of a few pictures.

 

[Rudiger]

Charming.

At least when I get personal I don't disguise it in a passive aggressive fashion. It's very simple, you don't have to jump the gun every single time and assume that my opinions are stemming from some personal quest to keep positive or naive, so if you don't want to get told to shut up, stop with the personal attacks. Your post was fine up until that last sentence but you had to throw in a cheap shot as always.

 

[Joan]

But anyway, yes looks are no doubt very important, but the thing is, very few people have them

I think there are more above-average looking people (even if only slightly) than average to below-average looking people, especially women.

 

[Rudiger]

I would say a more correct way of putting it is that it's not always the end of the line, like some would have it. However, it might very well be depending on your other physical characteristics/life situation. If you are at the wrong end of the bell curve to begin with and it gets shifted several points to the left, you might just well and truly be ****ed.

Your attitude is healthier than most here and I agree with much of what you say. You need to edit your posts better and keep your temper in check though.

Yeah I agree with all points here, firstly some guys are pretty much ****ed in terms of pursuing the opposite sex. I don't think they should be on this particular forum, discussing how ****ed they are, reading about how ****ed they are (such as this post), because just forget about it, find something else in life to care about. I'll try and not get too philosophical about it, but people always suffer to varying degrees, and if you're particularly unlucky in life, you need to find something in yourself to keep going.

And thanks I appreciate it, and that is constructive criticism, I've learned from interchanges with guys like cocohot and swingline, that my temper puts me in a bad position that I shouldn't be in. Fred is still a work in progress though.

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I think there are more above-average looking people (even if only slightly) than average to below-average looking people, especially women.

I'm not sure I agree completely here, but we're getting down to the nitty-gritty of very specific debating on features and percentages of people etc.

But anyway, I'm talking in the context of what attracts a woman at a party or a club, and 7/10 guy may as well be a 3/10 guy, do you know what I mean? He's not going to get that attention, he's going to have to work for it. The few guys that are 9/10 and above don't have to work as hard.

I can see what you mean, that there may well be more average or decent looking/non-ugly people on the whole, but from a male-chasing-female perspective, looks won't matter unless he's strikingly handsome, and this is a rare thing.

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

The 7/10 guy probably puts in less effort than the 3/10 guy for the same girl.

 

[cocohot]

No, I'm not.

Oh, and Cocohot is basically just a pulsing vortex of sluthate-inspired negative energy. I know I shouldn't but I take great pleasure in his suffering.

You're going bald. I take great pleasure knowing you will go bald. Karma is ****ing beautiful sometimes. Enjoy!

I have no interest in sluthate or redpill. The only "red pill" stuff I know about is through Fred's posts, and I actually think it's stupid as it seems to be based on people's behaviour on dating websites, which are made up of 95% male users and are a purely visual medium.

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

A while back, OkCupid said it was something like 60% or 70% male users.

 

[cocohot]

A while back, OkCupid said it was something like 60% or 70% male users.

Still, if it's twice as many men as women, and men are already twice as horny as women, and it's a 100% visual medium - what do you think is going to happen? That doesn't mean it applies to real life.

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

Still, if it's twice as many men as women, and men are already twice as horny as women, and it's a 100% visual medium - what do you think is going to happen? That doesn't mean it applies to real life.

I fully agree with your point that online dating is a more visual medium.

With that said, it *is* real life, it's part of the real world, it's one of the most common ways to meet people, so the rules of online dating are to a large extent the rules of dating.

 

[cocohot]

I fully agree with your point that online dating is a more visual medium.

With that said, it *is* real life, it's part of the real world, it's one of the most common ways to meet people, so the rules of online dating are to a large extent the rules of dating.

What I mean is, it doesn't apply to a different, non dating website setting.

 

[shookwun]

These game guys crack me up! real time enthusiasts of the art of seduction.


I suppose when I went to the shopping mall today, picked out some clothes, and asked within one minute of talking for the girls number it was my 'game'.

The conversation had zero chemistry, and connection. It was standard this that, where are you residing. My closing line was 'well if you up for it, we should go out for coffee some time' her eyes lit, up ... very awkward 18-20 year old. Hard to converse with, but her body made my c*** so stiff. Gives me her number followed by her name right away, and I hug her then walk away.

Most of been my tight inner game.


Observations: Roomate comes home after a guy messaged her randomly. Apparently got her number through a friend, and he seen her at the same residence they used to reside in. Ends up texting her non-stop, she's corteous, and polite but at the same time not flirting. End up getting together, she comes home later that night and tells me....

HER: 'he was a realy cute guy, and seemed very nice, and genuine, but he was just to short for my liking. He was literally like 5'5-5'6 and it feels weird, being a girl with a guy who's that short. Everything else about him was great, but I couldn't get passed his height.

ME: What if he had an amazing body, and face

HER: I just couldn't get passed the height. it would make me feel like the dominant one in the relationship.

ME: Well, if had everything else working in his favour, couldn't it work

HER: I just couldn't see myself being with a guy shoter then me. Imagine going to the bar, and being in high heels... I would feel weird around him



What went wrong? He had a decent personality, cute face, and had his own place, and everything.

Was HIS GAME OFF THAT DAY?

 

[buckthorn]

These game guys crack me up! real time enthusiasts of the art of seduction.


I suppose when I went to the shopping mall today, picked out some clothes, and asked within one minute of talking for the girls number it was my 'game'.

The conversation had zero chemistry, and connection. It was standard this that, where are you residing. My closing line was 'well if you up for it, we should go out for coffee some time' her eyes lit, up ... very awkward 18-20 year old. Hard to converse with, but her body made my c*** so stiff. Gives me her number followed by her name right away, and I hug her then walk away.

Most of been my tight inner game.


Observations: Roomate comes home after a guy messaged her randomly. Apparently got her number through a friend, and he seen her at the same residence they used to reside in. Ends up texting her non-stop, she's corteous, and polite but at the same time not flirting. End up getting together, she comes home later that night and tells me....

HER: 'he was a realy cute guy, and seemed very nice, and genuine, but he was just to short for my liking. He was literally like 5'5-5'6 and it feels weird, being a girl with a guy who's that short. Everything else about him was great, but I couldn't get passed his height.

ME: What if he had an amazing body, and face

HER: I just couldn't get passed the height. it would make me feel like the dominant one in the relationship.

ME: Well, if had everything else working in his favour, couldn't it work

HER: I just couldn't see myself being with a guy shoter then me. Imagine going to the bar, and being in high heels... I would feel weird around him



What went wrong? He had a decent personality, cute face, and had his own place, and everything.

Was HIS GAME OFF THAT DAY?

yeah, 5'5 is pretty short for a guy. I am only 5'8-5'9 and I have never had an issue dating women my height. Actually, I did date one girl that was like 5'11. Still, she was never self conscience about it, but I was. If we went out and she wore heals, i would feel kinda insecure, but oh well, we made it work.

 

[shookwun]

5'8-5'9 wont matter, considered average and isn't short enough to be seen as a negative.

I'm about 5'10, almost 5'11 and most people around me are between 5'9-5'10 on average for males.


height becomes prevalent in effecting ones outcome at about 5'6, sometimes even 5'7.

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

5'8-5'9 wont matter, considered average and isn't short enough to be seen as a negative.

I'm about 5'10, almost 5'11 and most people around me are between 5'9-5'10 on average for males.


height becomes prevalent in effecting ones outcome at about 5'6, sometimes even 5'7.

You do very well for a 5'10 guy, and I'm sure you'd do better if you were 6'1.

I agree that there's a catastrophic drop-off for 5'8 and below, but there are still advantages between 5'8 and 6'2.

It's also about advantages with other men. Other men respect you more if you're taller.

 

[buckthorn]

You do very well for a 5'10 guy, and I'm sure you'd do better if you were 6'1.

I agree that there's a catastrophic drop-off for 5'8 and below, but there are still advantages between 5'8 and 6'2.

It's also about advantages with other men. Other men respect you more if you're taller.

real respect is earned. If a man respects you based on height, then that's not real...

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

real respect is earned. If a man respects you based on height, then that's not real...

Some of your posts belong on a carpet as motivational quotes.

 

[buckthorn]

Some of your posts belong on a carpet as motivational quotes.

well, some of these "carpets of motivational quotes" must actually hold true then... because respect based on solely on appearance is no respect at all - go put that one on your wall.

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I actually like those motivational posters... because, if you noticed, people laugh at them because they are cheesy, but every single one is true. Thank you soaring bald eagle wearing an American flag, I will "fight for my dreams". haha I don't ever mean to sound righteous my friend, I know I am far from it. Being a "shorter dude" trying to play basketball, I was always immediately judged. So, I suppose it's my inner insecurities cause me to jump down people's throats with motivational quotes. :uglylol:

 

[Exodus2011]

real respect is earned. If a man respects you based on height, then that's not real...

very true

 

[cocohot]

It's not your baldness I take pleasure in, rather your utter inability to cope with it in a rational manner. And your general outlook as well as many of your "theories" are straight off of Sluthate/Lookism, though I grant you may have arrived at the same conclusions by way of independent thought.

If you actually liked yourself and could accept your baldness you wouldn't be here. Everyone on this forum hates themselves and I know you hate yourself too.

Extreme statement?

Proof: Out of billions of balding men, us 10 or so forum regulars are the only ones obsessed enough by balding to post here. Think about that. Then think about how pathetic your posturing is. You spend hours on this forum every single day posting about baldness. You took a break but then you returned and jumped straight back in. Yesterday you posted at;

• Yesterday, 04:45 PM
• Yesterday, 04:22 PM
• Yesterday, 03:06 PM
• Yesterday, 07:00 AM
• Yesterday, 01:41 AM
• Yesterday, 01:14 AM

And I'm to believe you' have a positive outlook on baldness and your life and are better than me somehow? You are only an NW3! And you're in your 30's where it's completely normal to have a receding hairline! And you are still on this forum 24/7? You are completely nuts.

I know you hate going bald and it's going to happen and that makes me smile when I read posts like the one quoted above. When I was still going bald I was in denial just like you and argued with Fred, called him ridiculously negative etc.

Well I've been through it all and it's horrible and it's all ahead of you. Enjoy going bald!

 

[Rudiger]

You're going bald. I take great pleasure knowing you will go bald. Karma is ****ing beautiful sometimes. Enjoy!

I have no interest in sluthate or redpill. The only "red pill" stuff I know about is through Fred's posts, and I actually think it's stupid as it seems to be based on people's behaviour on dating websites, which are made up of 95% male users and are a purely visual medium.

Coughniceeditcoughcough but if you think the knowledge of other people going bald will make you any happier, me or this guy, then you'll never attain any sort of meaningful satisfaction, to be honest. I also think it's ****ed up that this other guy is happy you're depressed, but at least he acknowledges it's not a healthy thought. You on the other hand are just shamelessly ****ed.

However that's a fantastic point on Fred's outlook, I've mentioned this before and he shy's away from it. His experience of 6 million first dates are all based on dating websites, where women are picking him out of dozens of other guys and when you do that, your attitude becomes fleeting, of course they become solely superficial, they have no time to actually think about anything else but the book cover.

These game guys crack me up! real time enthusiasts of the art of seduction.


I suppose when I went to the shopping mall today, picked out some clothes, and asked within one minute of talking for the girls number it was my 'game'.

The conversation had zero chemistry, and connection. It was standard this that, where are you residing. My closing line was 'well if you up for it, we should go out for coffee some time' her eyes lit, up ... very awkward 18-20 year old. Hard to converse with, but her body made my c*** so stiff. Gives me her number followed by her name right away, and I hug her then walk away.

Most of been my tight inner game.


Observations: Roomate comes home after a guy messaged her randomly. Apparently got her number through a friend, and he seen her at the same residence they used to reside in. Ends up texting her non-stop, she's corteous, and polite but at the same time not flirting. End up getting together, she comes home later that night and tells me....

HER: 'he was a realy cute guy, and seemed very nice, and genuine, but he was just to short for my liking. He was literally like 5'5-5'6 and it feels weird, being a girl with a guy who's that short. Everything else about him was great, but I couldn't get passed his height.

ME: What if he had an amazing body, and face

HER: I just couldn't get passed the height. it would make me feel like the dominant one in the relationship.

ME: Well, if had everything else working in his favour, couldn't it work

HER: I just couldn't see myself being with a guy shoter then me. Imagine going to the bar, and being in high heels... I would feel weird around him



What went wrong? He had a decent personality, cute face, and had his own place, and everything.

Was HIS GAME OFF THAT DAY?

Shook I mean, I avoid replying to your nonsense most of the time, it's so awful, it's like, beyond Fred, cocohot, anything, I hate the way you think this post actually proves anything. You've given 2 scenario's in which "game" (and I hate using that term) was irrelevant, and acted as if it meant something. It made no difference what you said to that girl, the deal was already done, it also made no difference what that short guy said, because it was never going to work from the start.

The argument, just to remind you, is that "game" can make a difference and give some advantage or leverage in certain circumstances. It's not working ****ing miracles, women aren't that stupid to fall for a guy who makes them laugh, even if he's an obese dwarf.

Absolutely pointless. Well done. And the arrogant way you end that post as if you really just proved something ground breaking with these 2 useless examples, it's just laughable.

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If you actually liked yourself and could accept your baldness you wouldn't be here. Everyone on this forum hates themselves and I know you hate yourself too.

Extreme statement?

Proof: Out of billions of balding men, us 10 or so forum regulars are the only ones obsessed enough by balding to post here. Think about that. Then think about how pathetic your posturing is. You spend hours on this forum every single day posting about baldness. You took a break but then you returned and jumped straight back in. Yesterday you posted at;

• Yesterday, 04:45 PM
• Yesterday, 04:22 PM
• Yesterday, 03:06 PM
• Yesterday, 07:00 AM
• Yesterday, 01:41 AM
• Yesterday, 01:14 AM

And I'm to believe you' have a positive outlook on baldness and your life and are better than me somehow? You are only an NW3! And you're in your 30's where it's completely normal to have a receding hairline! And you are still on this forum 24/7? You are completely nuts.

I know you hate going bald and it's going to happen and that makes me smile when I read posts like the one quoted above. When I was still going bald I was in denial just like you and argued with Fred, called him ridiculously negative etc.

Well I've been through it all and it's horrible and it's all ahead of you. Enjoy going bald!

You used to bring this same argument on me and I really think you need to evaluate how relevant it is. The guy was talking about your inability to cope, and you just started posting his posting times? What is the point of this?

I think this is an interesting enough place to post, I have up to several other forums I frequent, sometimes go off them for a bit, sometimes not, am I unhealthily obsessed with guitar, philosophy, politics, too? No, it's not as big of a deal as you think to post on here several times a day. I often reply on here while on my phone, waiting around somewhere doing nothing.

I mean you just disproved your own point that he posts 24/7! He posted like a handful of times, he could go away and do other ****, return to his laptop, leave a post, then go about his day again, you call these 6 posts in a day as something obsessive? Are you actually being serious?

But really, for some reason in your mind this "billions of people exist yet you post on here" argument is something really special, when it really isn't, it's absolutely meaningless. He talked about your inability to cope and instead of trying to justify yourself you just spat the same thing back at him, except you don't have any ammunition.