Exploring The Hormonal Route. Hair=life.

[nWo Wolfpac]

How long have u been on this regiment again? 6 moths?

There was no minoxidil involved right?

I started in mid August. I think it was the 17th. And zero minoxidil. The before pic of me was from that summer around the time I started. That summer I grew a goofy mustache too I have no idea what I was thinking.

 

[nWo Wolfpac]

The only thing is there has got to be an end game move

I dont wanna be trapped in cycles of doing cyp ace for the rest of my life

I know me neither. What if the cycles could be for a long time though? it took years for us to lose this much hair so maybe we could take a year or 2 off of it, slowly lose hair and than go back on when it starts getting noticeable again. Maybe something like 6 months on and 2 years off. That wouldn't be so bad.

 

[Jonny Craig]

Yep. Was 10 years on Dutasteride, my friend 5-6 years.

Wow, so it was just not legit at all.. damn.

If my Prog isn't legit I better ask what the heck it is because it is working lol

 

[nWo Wolfpac]

I thought I may as well make a proper comparison in a single post to make it easier to find. These are my results from using Cyproterone 12.5 mg, sometimes everyday and sometimes every other day and estrogel 2.5 mg to 3.75 mg per day for 8 & a half months.

Before (Summer 2018) With toppik, dermatch, dry shampoo and hair volumizing powder.

And after (This afternoon May 4 2019) With nothing in my hair.

My hair was actually worse than I remembered. I mean I knew it was bad but I remember it looking better with all that stuff I used to put in it. Someone should have told me to just cut it short.

 

[itchymadscalp]

Wow, so it was just not legit at all.. damn.

If my Prog isn't legit I better ask what the heck it is because it is working lol

Maybe yours is legit. If you think something is working and helping you that might means it's legit. Good luck.

 

[nWo Wolfpac]

Well, as much as i feel bad for you because of that bad gyno that you got, but in the same time i fell glad for you and me also that you disproved all the f*****g scientists and doctors and pharmaceutical companies that "try" to find a "cure" for this "cosmetic discomfort"...

And you found it in your "basement", at home, without any medical degree, without any billion of dollars, without any trials, phases or killed lab rats... You grown more hair than any other trial from a product available or non-available, including the Propecia ones and this shows that it's all a f*****g LIE and until they will really start to look for the real cure or treatment, we don't have any other option except the one to not trust in any kind of cosmetic doctors that try to fool you in keeping 10 hairs with the price of hundred of dollars at least, a month and with no guarantee that you will actually keep those hairs and not develop some sides also besides that...
Or spending thousands of dollars on hair transplants just so you can hear after that you have too take Propecia to "maintain" it, even if the hair that was transplanted is not DHT sensible and implanted in some heads with hair from the chest or other body parts that don't have male pattern baldness or sensitivity to DHT, theory and point of which transplants are made on....

Well played friend, i really hope you manage to get rid of that f*****g gyno and that you will keep all your hair, every single shaft, you deserve it, you just disproved decades of stupidity and ignorance and the whole scientific community, and especially all the IDIOTS that strongly believe and praise the theory that " If the hair is gone, none can get it back on that bald spot, except a hair transplant" !

I know that there are more like you that did it, i believed in doctors like in Gods before my hair started too fall and even after a couple of years until now, when my eyes are clearly open at yours and other who have this kinds of progress and success, from your "treatments"...

Very well made post, very well documented with every picture and for me at least, you are a hero, i have more trust in you and your success/progress than in the whole dermatology academy or pharmaceutical companies that are trying to scam us until every f*****g hair in our head falls and we give up!

Good luck and all the good wishes i have for you and here is a good article intended for your exact regime and hormonal route !

https://perfecthairhealth.com/trans-hormone-replacement-therapy-hair-regrowth/

Hey thanks a lot for the well wishes it feels good to be called a hero! I couldn't have done it without bridge, he was my main inspiration. I believe its not just dht but testosterone itself that is bad for hair.

Edit - So I just read that article and I have to say the scalp tension in addition to dht inflammation response does make a lot of sense. I think he's probably right though I don't think these drugs actually change our bone structure much. Thanks for the article.

 

[nWo Wolfpac]

It actually is the scalp fibrosis and calcification, that explains why people get balder and balder with age, even if having lower and lower testosterone and DHT, hormones that decrease naturally with the process of aging!

This calcification and fibrosis takes time and i really think that if you leave it unthreaded until some unknown time or point, at least for now, it ends up irreversible, not doing something about it years and years, and you getting naturally older, condition that comes with a lot of other different aspects that could influence this specific conditions!

I guess maybe if we are lucky, we will live to find out one day, if we are lucky enough...

Your right it never made sense to me why men get balder as they age when their testosterone and dht are decreasing at the same time. But most people don't find much help from scalp massages and things like that, I think it's because they don't relax the muscles enough or permanently.

 

[Jonny Craig]

@nWo Wolfpac so you are staying on your current regimen?

Do you workout with weights? I wonder how much this can offset the gyno and whatnot, at the very least it can make it look less bad.

 

[nWo Wolfpac]

@nWo Wolfpac so you are staying on your current regimen?

Do you workout with weights? I wonder how much this can offset the gyno and whatnot, at the very least it can make it look less bad.

Well right now I am taking a break from my regimen. For the last week the only drug I have been taking is raloxfene for the gyno. I am going to wait and see how my well gyno diminishes and how well my hair holds up to make my decision on when to resume.

Yeah I work out, I find it helps make my chest look more manly, having upper pec muscles detracts from the look of gyno. I do push ups, pull ups and dips mostly. I like to fill a backpack up with 25 pounds and do diamond push ups. Diamond push ups are great and really develop the upper pec muscles. If your just starting to work out diamond push ups can be very difficult, I could only do a couple when I started so for a beginner should do them with out any added weight.

 

[nWo Wolfpac]

I think that scalp massages are just a rudimentary start for us, imagine that most people get bald in years, and if this theory is right, loosing the tension from the scalp will take a much different approach and a lot of more efort than some scalp massages done who knows how and on what consistency!
And if it's bone and skull expansion involved also, even if it's little and with time, it take something more to reverse or modify it, like the estrogen you are taking for example...

I bet that 90% who did or still do it, are not even consistent in doing it, because it takes a lot of effort and free time, and reversing all that years of damage and tension and other factors that are involved, it's not that simple, without taking some strong route like the one you took!

That Botox injections trial seems very interesting and with good results, who knows maybe in some years we will actually find out something more about this!

I bet most people doing scalp massages aren't fighting dht with finasteride or anything else either. I would like to hear about that botox trial what did they find?

 

[Marky]

My sex life now like the last few years is non existent. I have no libido but if I make myself watch something I am good to go. am I ok living like this forever? I really don't know. I'm still young in my 20s and being practically bald made me feel like my youth was over. I felt like someone else. I felt invisible to women. These last few months I've noticed some girls watching me which never would happen before. I am pretty good at being honest with myself and I know without hair I am ugly and with hair I am decent looking. I have been called handsome and had more compliments on my appearance in the last few months than the previous 6 years combined. It's funny people are too nice to tell you that you look bad right now but they feel fine telling you how bad you used to look. I've had a bunch of women and a gay guy at work tell me how awful they thought my hair cut was before and now i look 100 times better. One woman said your handsome now! Like it was a big suprise that I ever could be. I thought I looked ok before but now that I know the truth it would be hard to go back.

Do your coworkers know how you did it?

 

[Marky]

Alright here it is my mane in all its glory. I still don't feel like showing my face so its blurred out.

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Awesome results and totally worth the gyno. But you should really looking into our provincial healthcare to cover gyno.
Some teenagers get it going through puberty and think it's covered.

But you went from looking like a balding middle aged man to Hollywood heart throb.

PS - when you said Beatles hair cut I envisioned this:

 

[Marky]

Well, as much as i feel bad for you because of that bad gyno that you got, but in the same time i fell glad for you and me also that you disproved all the f*****g scientists, doctors and pharmaceutical companies that "try" to find a "cure" for this "cosmetic discomfort"...

And you found it in your "basement", at home, without any medical degree, without any billion of dollars, without any trials, phases or killed lab rats... You grown more hair than any other trial from a product available or non-available, including the Propecia ones and this shows that it's all a f*****g LIE and until they will really start to look for the real cure or treatment, we don't have any other option except the one to not trust in any kind of cosmetic doctors that try to fool you in keeping 10 hairs with the price of hundred of dollars at least, a month and with no guarantee that you will actually keep those hairs and not develop some sides also besides that...
Or spending thousands of dollars on hair transplants just so you can hear after that you have too take Propecia to "maintain" it, even if the hair that was transplanted is not DHT sensible and implanted in some heads with hair from the chest or from other body parts that don't have male pattern baldness or sensitivity to DHT, theory and point of which transplants are made on....

Well played friend, i really hope you manage to get rid of that f*****g gyno and that you will keep all your hair, every single shaft, you deserve it, you just disproved decades of stupidity and ignorance and the whole scientific community, and especially all the IDIOTS that strongly believe and praise the theory that " If the hair is gone, none can get it back on that bald spot, except a hair transplant" !

I know that there are more like you that did it, i believed in doctors like in Gods before my hair started too fall and even after a couple of years until now, when my eyes are clearly open at yours and other who have this kinds of progress and success, from your "treatments"...

Very well made post, very well documented with every picture and for me at least, you are a hero, i have more trust in you and your success/progress than in the whole dermatology academy or pharmaceutical companies that are trying to scam us until every f*****g single hair in our head falls and we give up!

Good luck and all the good wishes i have for you and here is a good article intended for your exact regime and hormonal route !

https://perfecthairhealth.com/trans-hormone-replacement-therapy-hair-regrowth/

Keep in mind not everyone gets block buster results on HRT like NWO and bridgburn. Some have little response to nothing.
I keep an eye on this tranny before and after site and some look a bit better some a bit worse in terms of hair on HRT:

https://www.reddit.com/r/transtimelines/

 

[Marky]

It actually is the scalp fibrosis and calcification, that explains why people get balder and balder with age, even if having lower and lower testosterone and DHT, hormones that decrease naturally with the process of aging!

This calcification and fibrosis takes time and i really think that if you leave it unthreaded until some unknown time or point, at least for now, it ends up irreversible, not doing something about it years and years, and you getting naturally older, condition that comes with a lot of other different aspects that could influence this specific conditions!

I guess maybe if we are lucky, we will live to find out one day, if we are lucky enough...

As bridge said androgen receptors get more sensitive the older we get, which makes sense to me.
Even though male hormones drop off as we age we are more susceptible to enlarged prostate and prostate cancer which is also caused by male hormones.

 

[nWo Wolfpac]

Do your coworkers know how you did it?

You know no one has actually asked me about my hair. I'm not sure what they think.

Awesome results and totally worth the gyno. But you should really looking into our provincial healthcare to cover gyno.
Some teenagers get it going through puberty and think it's covered.

But you went from looking like a balding middle aged man to Hollywood heart throb.

PS - when you said Beatles hair cut I envisioned this:

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Thanks for the encouragement. Balding middle aged man to Hollywood heart throb eh? lol That's kind of how it feels. I'm not sure if I could get the surgery covered because my doctor knows what drugs I am taking and they might say since I did it to myself it's not covered. Though some of the gyno is from puberty my chest has always stuck out a bit. Oh and I guess it's not the classic Beatles like Jim Carey lol, I was thinking more john lennon in 67.

 

[Marky]

You know no one has actually asked me about my hair. I'm not sure what they think.



Thanks for the encouragement. Middle aged man to Hollywood heart throb eh? lol That's kind of how it feels.
I'm not sure if I could get the surgery covered because my doctor knows what drugs I am taking and they might say since I did it to myself it's not covered. Though some of the gyno is from puberty my chest has always stuck out a bit. Oh and I guess it's not the classic Beatles like Jim Carey lol, I was thinking more john lennon in 67.
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That's a good point about doing it to yourself.

btw do you find an increase in sugar cravings with cypro?

 

[nWo Wolfpac]

That's a good point about doing it to yourself.

btw do you find an increase in sugar cravings with cypro?

Sugar cravings no I don't think so. You going hard after the candy?

 

[Ikarus]

Does anyone else have hardcore meat cravings on HRT? Especially in the morning, I want to eat steak or anything which includes beef...

 

[Father_of_Shiseido]

@nWo Wolfpac ; I have been on 400 mg spironolactone since the last 6 months. I am noticing that my butts are looking bigger nowadays. Is it possible that spironolactone alone can do this? I am not taking any E.

@Ikarus ; Hi a**h**! Why did you dislike it?

 

[Mr. Grey]

I bought 100grams of progesterone powder off alibaba, just because it's more cost effective for me.

I use veggie OO size capsules to make 100mg pills which I weigh out myself.

Take (1) 100mg pill before bedtime, every night.

That's all I'm using.

Jonny Craig, what do you think, can you achieve "nWo Wolfpack's" result with your regimen, I mean only with progesterone?