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Sorry for the late reply, it’s their October presentation https://www.puretechhealth.com/images/PureTech-Corporate-Presentation_FINAL-101419.pdfOP link to presentation ? @Hippocrates21
Sorry for the late reply, it’s their October presentation https://www.puretechhealth.com/images/PureTech-Corporate-Presentation_FINAL-101419.pdfOP link to presentation ? @Hippocrates21
after fda (hopefully) approvation it will be ema turn (and straight to your local pharmacy) ...if it makes moneyFor those outside USA (I live in the UK) how could we go about getting this?
Ah f***, maybe it’s bad news then, cos they’ve slyly changed that date in image 2 from the pivotal trial starting in 2019 to now starting in 2020. At least they haven’t changed the FDA filing date.
Its apparently not that widely known, because I can't find any article stating what you wrote.
Also a study tend to tell us if its a best case scenario if we assume the 25 terminal hairs pr. cm2, or if its average, median, top 10% best respondents what ever it might be.and for how long do the hairs stay? is it permanent, 1-2 years what is the timeframe for the new hairs.
All i found is a claim from 2013 where they talk about increasing hair follicles with 2-3 fold (its based on mice study)
On their own site they base the results on a study on 20 males, where the claim about "significant" regrowth is being talked about.
So would be awesome if you could find a direct link to the claim about the 25 cm2 terminal hairs, and its not based on a mouse study.
Inb4 Follica isn't available within two years
Get real.
finasteride's result per cm2: 16
CB's result per cm2: ~12
Are people regrowing norwoods with finasteride and CB? No. I have 30% of the hair I had when I started finasteride 8 months ago, in fact.
Expect this to do probably 50% more than regular ol' microneedling. If you're not getting any results with that now then tough.
dutasteride or death
Well, I've been on Finasteride and Minoxidil for 20 years, and still have a cosmetically full head of hair; if I had to put it a Norwood on it, it would be a 2.
There are between 125 to 200 follicles per cm2 (density varies greatly between individuals). If Follica can achieve >25 cm2, then that's 1/6 of total density, which is one to two NWs, depending on your original density.
Go ahead and reply - I'm just not interested in arguing with random, angry, black-pilled high NWs anymore. Flame away, just don't expect a reply - I don't have the time to waste.
The link has been posted on this site many times - if you care to search for it, have at it, but I'm not doing you any favors after that sort of reply. Good luck!
Well, I've been on Finasteride and Minoxidil for 20 years, and still have a cosmetically full head of hair; if I had to put it a Norwood on it, it would be a 2.
There are between 125 to 200 follicles per cm2 (density varies greatly between individuals). If Follica can achieve >25 cm2, then that's 1/6 of total density, which is one to two NWs, depending on your original density.
Go ahead and reply - I'm just not interested in arguing with random, angry, black-pilled high NWs anymore. Flame away - I don't have the time to waste.
What kind of command is this??Noone here is your secretary.Well, I've been on Finasteride and Minoxidil for 20 years, and still have a cosmetically full head of hair; if I had to put it a Norwood on it, it would be a 2.
There are between 125 to 200 follicles per cm2 (density varies greatly between individuals). If Follica can achieve >25 cm2, then that's 1/6 of total density, which is one to two NWs, depending on your original density.
Go ahead and reply - I'm just not interested in arguing with random, angry, black-pilled high NWs anymore. Flame away - I don't have the time to waste.
Anybody able to provide some cliff notes on what depths they are using exactly with needling/ wounding and how often, as well as any known medications involved?
Edit: Just having a skim around: Is it just .8 mm needling once a week with an off day on the needling day and then valproic acid topical ~12% for the other 6 days of the week, or do they have many different iterations that they're working through involving other topicals that we know of as well?
Forums are for interested people to discuss the subjects upon which the topics are based on.
So good on you for maintaining. But nobody here is interested in your story. Why not find another forum for min + fun stories?
From Follica 2017
NEEDLING DEVICE AND DRUG APPLICATOR Patent
About penetration depth
[000166] With regards to penetration depth control of the needles, a variety of different penetration depth adjustments may be available. In an embodiment, penetration depth may range from 0.5 millimeters in the retracted position to 2.5 millimeters; however, it should be appreciated that the penetration depth of the needles is available in a broader range. For example, the penetration depth may include a range from -0.5 millimeters where the needles are in a completely retracted position to a range of 5 millimeters or more. The penetration depth may include at least -0.5 millimeters, at least 0 millimeters, at least 0.5 millimeters, at least 1 millimeter, at least 1.5 millimeters, at least 2 millimeters, at least 2.5 millimeters, at least 3 millimeters, at least 3.5 millimeters, at least 4 millimeters, at least 4.5 millimeters, at most 0.5 millimeters, at most 1 millimeter, at most 1.5 millimeters, at most 2 millimeters, at most 2.5 millimeters, at most 3 millimeters, at most 3.5 millimeters, at most 4 millimeters, at most 4.5 millimeters, or at most 5 millimeters.
[000167] In one aspect, a needling device or needling adaptor described herein is suitable for disrupting skin to a penetration depth of between 30 [tm to 200 [tm (e.g., to a maximum depth of 30, 40, 50, 60, 70, 80, 85, 90, 95, 100, 105, 110, 120, 130, 140, 150, 160, 170, 180, 190 or 200 [tm), and preferably to approximately 100-150 [tm. In one aspect, a needling device or needling adaptor described herein is suitable for disrupting skin to a depth of 100 [am. In one aspect, a needling device or needling adaptor described herein is suitable for disrupting skin to a depth of 150 [tm.
about use it looks like its going to be on a clinic and not home use. Or that is at least how i "translate" it
[000217] For example, a needle array having a rectangular configuration may be provided on a first sheath adaptor that is used by a physician on a patient for hair growth applications. After use, the first adaptor may be replaced by a second sheath adaptor having a different needle array configuration, for example, a circular needle array configuration. The needling device may be used on different parts of one patient's skin without a need to clean the needling device because it is fully encapsulated within the adaptor sheath. Also, the needling device may be used on different patients. For example, a physician may use the first needling adaptor with the device on a first patient and then remove and replace the first adaptor with a second needling adaptor for use on a second patient. As described above in reference to the description of the needling devices, a number of different procedures may be conducted such as procedures for hair growth applications, wrinkle reduction, scar revision, hair removal, tattoo removal, and pigmentation.
Others users are also "allowed" but that is only during the massaging function of the device
[000219] In an example, methods of using applicator devices include providing an applicator comprising having a housing, a drug delivery cartridge carried by the housing, and a massage head which is mounted on the housing, powering on the applicator; and dispense a drug automatically by a dispensing mechanism that is linked to movement of the massage head or by any other dispensing mechanism. In an example, the applicator devices are programmed by a physician or any user to follow a preset cycle of massage-only or massage and dispense; for example, a 5-minute massage cycle is followed by a 1-minute massage and dispense cycle. The device may be programmed from a keypad on the device or wirelessly using an external device.
Drugs/Agents that can be used with the device
[000272] In one aspect, the agent is an agent that promotes hair growth. For example, hair growth-promoting agents for use, alone or in combination, in accordance with this aspect include but are not limited to: agents affecting prostaglandins, such as Prostaglandin F2a analogs, e.g. latanoprost (trade name Xalatan), travoprost (trade name Travatan), tafluprost, unoprostone, dinoprost (trade name Prostin F2 Alpha), AS604872, BOL303259X, PF3187207, carboprost (trade name Hemabate); Prostamides, e.g., bimatoprost (trade names Latisse, Lumigan); Prostanoid receptor agonists, e.g. fluprostenol; Prostaglandin D2 receptor antagonists, e.g. laropiprant, AM21 1; Prostglandin E2 analogs, e.g. sulprostone; and EP 2 receptor agonists, e.g. butaprost; 5a-reductase inhibitors, such as, e.g., finasteride, dutasteride, turosteride, bexlosteride, izonsteride, epristeride, epigallocatechin, Fluridil (Sovak et al, Dermatol Surg. 2002;28(8):678 685), RU 58841 (Pan et al. Endocrine. 1998;9(1):39-43), N,N-diethyl-4-methyl-3-oxo-4-aza-5 alpha-androstane-17 beta-carboxamide (Rittmaster et al., J Clin Endocrinol Metab.
1987;65(1):188-193), MK-386, azelaic acid, FCE 28260, SKF 105,111; Minoxidil; ATP sensitive potassium channel openers, e.g. diazoxide; and the hair growth-promoting agents described herein or otherwise known in the art, such as, e.g., kopexil (for example, the product KeraniqueTM), CaC12, botilinum toxin A, adenosine, ketoconazole, DoxoRx, Docetaxel, FK506, GP11046, GP11511, LGD 1331, ICX-TRC, MTS-01, NEOSH101, HYG-102440, HYG-410, HYG-420, HYG-430, HYG-440, spironolactone, CB-03-01, RK-023, Abatacept, Viviscal®, MorrF, ASC-J9, NP-619, AS1O, Metron-F-1, PSK 3841, Targretin (e.g., 1% gel), MedinGel, PF3187207, BOL303259X, AS604872, THG1 1331, PF-277343, PF-3004459, Raptiva, caffeine, and coffee. Other hair-growth promoting agents include arginine, isoleucine, leucine, lysine, methionine, phenylalanine, threonine, tryptophan, valine, gamma linoleic acid and polyphenol catechins, copper peptides. Other hair-growth promoting agents that can be formulated as a hair wash tonic could include but are not limited to, j oj oba oil, extract of apple, saw palmetto, emu oil, beta carotene and green tea. In another aspect, the applicators may also be used in combination with drugs for alopecia being developed by SWITCH Biotech LLC. In addition, other agents include compounds identified by the following company and company ID, Actelion ACT 129968 (setipiprant), Actimis AP768, Amira AM21 1, Amira AM461, Amgen AMG853, Array BiPharma ARRY-502, AstraZeneca AZD1981, AstraZeneca AZD8075, AstraZeneca AZD5985, Merck MK-7246, Novartis QAV680, Oxagen OC000459, Ocagen OC002417, Pulmagen ADC3680B, Shionogi S-555739, BBI-5000, SM04554, and KYTH105 (setipiprant). Further, additional agents include proteasome inhibitor such as lactacystin, a peptidyl aldehyde, or pentoxyfilline (PTX).
So pretty much it's just a glorified microneedling apparatus rebranded as being a hair loss product, which from the looks of things they are attempting to pair with every single drug that has ever (and already) been raised here at one point in time as a potential treatment.
Couldn't see anything on frequency which I think is the most interesting possible takeaway as I think the 1.5 mm+ depth once a week that is mooted on here is not the best practice long-term, at least for some.
Thanks!