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Are you saying Janey was not mentally ill?
Janey is mentally ill. And it's not autism even if she claimed so. It's DID, a personality disorder. Plus probably a lot of other disorders. I'm saying that the underlaying reason for autism is neurology, as is endocrinology of dysphoria.
 

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Janey is mentally ill. And it's not autism even if she claimed so. It's DID, a personality disorder. Plus probably a lot of other disorders. I'm saying that the underlaying reason for autism is neurology, as is endocrinology of dysphoria.
You can argue that Janey/Will already had mental disorders prior to transitioning, which I would certainly agree, but you can’t deny that his/her endocrine intervention via HRT only correlates with their further mental degradation and exasperated the pre-existing issues. HRT is not a “cure” for anything. Now, it may be entirely possible that someone could benefit from HRT and become more mentally stable (although I haven’t seen this personally). But even so, it’s not actually a cure, it’s just a treatment. And just like with hair loss, some treatments work for some people, some are detrimental to others.
 

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You can argue that Janey/Will already had mental disorders prior to transitioning, which I would certainly agree, but you can’t deny that his/her endocrine intervention via HRT only correlates with their further mental degradation and exasperated the pre-existing issues. HRT is not a “cure” for anything. Now, it may be entirely possible that someone could benefit from HRT and become more mentally stable (although I haven’t seen this personally). But even so, it’s not actually a cure, it’s just a treatment. And just like with hair loss, some treatments work for some people, some are detrimental to others.
It's 100% sure they were mentally ill before HRT. But I don't think Estrogen caused her mental degradation, it's her fetishes that did that. And people have and do benefit mentally from HRT, Estrogen has similar effects to SSRIs in a lot of people. The thing is, gender dysphoria does go in hand with other illnesses due to it being traumatic, and the loud online crazy trans people you see are not this way because of dysphoria but because of the comormid mental illnesses. An example for this is Chris chan, an autist who became mentally ill due to online trolling, and then went on to transition. I don't even believe he's got dysphoria. It's the mental illness due to the underlaying condition of autism. But then these people become loud online and give a bad name to all dysphoric people.
 

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It's 100% sure they were mentally ill before HRT. But I don't think Estrogen caused her mental degradation, it's her fetishes that did that. And people have and do benefit mentally from HRT, Estrogen has similar effects to SSRIs in a lot of people. The thing is, gender dysphoria does go in hand with other illnesses due to it being traumatic, and the loud online crazy trans people you see are not this way because of dysphoria but because of the comormid mental illnesses. An example for this is Chris chan, an autist who became mentally ill due to online trolling, and then went on to transition. I don't even believe he's got dysphoria. It's the mental illness due to the underlaying condition of autism. But then these people become loud online and give a bad name to all dysphoric people.
I think the correlation means something. I agree with a few points. Again it seems though that you are denying that shifting one’s hormonal profile could have any negative effects and that HRT is only a positive thing with no psychiatric risks. Correct me if I am wrong.
 

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I think the correlation means something. I agree with a few points. Again it seems though that you are denying that shifting one’s hormonal profile could have any negative effects and that HRT is only a positive thing with no psychiatric risks. Correct me if I am wrong.
The correlation means the same thing what it means in people going insane due to for example cancer. Physical illness breeds mental illness. And no, I am not denying that HRT can have negative effects, especially on already unstable people like Janey or Chris-chan. But then again anything could have caused people like that to go insane, like antipsychotics that make some even more psychotic etc. In the vast majority of cases, Estrogen has no harmful psychological effects, and not in people suffering from genue gender dysphoria.
 

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Again with your victim mentality. If you find my opinion offensive then so be it.

Also masculinity will never die, civilization is unsustainable without masculine forces, hell most of society is built by men. Masculinity and traditionalism is being attacked but don't think it will ever die. It's the same mistake you make by thinking "man is king over nature". Without "real masculinity" there is no future and especially not your science fiction tech utopia (or maybe dystopia is a better description)

And guess who is having more children in this world? Conservatives or liberals? Yeah, liberalism always kills itself, especially this far left form we have now in the west. It's very anti-natalistic and ignores simple biological facts.


What east asian societies are still matriarchal? I'm curious now...

Guess why we almost have no matriarchal societies? Because they all fail in the end. I can go into depth why this the case but this isn't the thread for that.

And no, gender roles weren't a feudal invention of the western world, gender roles were the norm in almost every human civilization. You know why? Because of biology, men are stronger, etc than women so they naturally had different roles to play in society than women.

How about we try to live in harmony with nature, progess technology and respect biological differences between humans, genders? It's not black or white friend. Your genderless tech utopia is another man's dystopia.
Even far left reddit admits there's never been a matriarchy lol


"Unfortunately, the short answer is no. Anthropologists have yet to find a female dominated society"
 

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I bet you would say the opposite about androgens, though. Lol
For dysphoric males androgens have harmful mental effects, it's like running a diesel car on petrol. For cis people, not so much. Maybe if somebody is a roider and goes into rage due to too much steroids or T, but that's another story. Testosterone is linked to higher aggression, but I think it has more to do with violent male upbringing then the hormone itself.
 

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So only an unbelievably tiny group of 40,000? Lol

I also see them mentioned in my link. For some reason the guy doesn't count them as matriarchal, it sounds like it's more just very gender equal + matrilineal
40000 now, it's just one of the last surviving ones. Plus ancient Slavic culture used to be pretty matriarchal, I've read on it a lot when studying my countries history. Maybe tribe leaders were not female, but they had a lot to say in running the tribe. Read some more then just western sources. And don't believe reddit on science ffs, that's like the stupidest thing you can do online.
 

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For dysphoric males androgens have harmful mental effects, it's like running a diesel car on petrol. For cis people, not so much. Maybe if somebody is a roider and goes into rage due to too much steroids or T, but that's another story. Testosterone is linked to higher aggression, but I think it has more to do with violent male upbringing then the hormone itself.
I believe it is unhealthy to have either too little or too much estrogens or androgens. You really do have some similar beliefs to Janey.
 

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I believe it is unhealthy to have either too little or too much estrogens or androgens. You really do have some similar beliefs to Janey.
No, that's just gaslighting now. I never said I want every person on Estrogen. I said that it's good for dysphoric people and the negative effects are fearmongering. Same goes for androgens. Plus there are female to male trans people too. Don't put words I never said into my mouth, or equate me with Janey. We are nothing alike.
 

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40000 now, it's just one of the last surviving ones. Plus ancient Slavic culture used to be pretty matriarchal, I've read on it a lot when studying my countries history. Maybe tribe leaders were not female, but they had a lot to say in running the tribe. Read some more then just western sources. And don't believe reddit on science ffs, that's like the stupidest thing you can do online.
It's not science it's history lol. And that sub is well vetted. I doubt these ancient Slavs too. If even extreme leftist liberal arts majors like anthropologists say there's no matriarchies then yea I doubt there ever was

I also found a 2005 article saying this musou used to be 56000 people (https://www.pbs.org/frontlineworld/rough/2005/07/introduction_tolinks.html) so I guess that goes to show how well that matriarchy is working out
 

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No, that's just gaslighting now. I never said I want every person on Estrogen. I said that it's good for dysphoric people and the negative effects are fearmongering. Same goes for androgens. Plus there are female to male trans people too. Don't put words I never said into my mouth, or equate me with Janey. We are nothing alike.
Many of your statements have aligned with Janey's. Clearly your view on estrogen is the same. For one, you were basically best friends on here from day one. But now that Janey has been exposed you have been trying hard to dissociate yourself from them. I just hope others on here have more common sense than you do.
 

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It's not science it's history lol. And that sub is well vetted. I doubt these ancient Slavs too. If even extreme leftist liberal arts majors like anthropologists say there's no matriarchies then yea I doubt there ever was

I also found a 2005 article saying this musou used to be 56000 people so I guess that goes to show how well that matriarchy is working out
I'm not even liberal lol. And as for Slavs, I've read a lot of sources from my own country and Russia, and they paint a different story to the so called western experts. If you view Matriarchy as some kind of woman dictatorship with males being slaves then no, there has not been anything like that. But if your view is like mine, that means women having more to say and being higher regard then males, then yes, there are plenty of examples. It depends on your definition.

The populations decline of the Chinese is caused by their one child policy.
 

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I'm not even liberal lol. And as for Slavs, I've read a lot of sources from my own country and Russia, and they paint a different story to the so called western experts. If you view Matriarchy as some kind of woman dictatorship with males being slaves then no, there has not been anything like that. But if your view is like mine, that means women having more to say and being higher regard then males, then yes, there are plenty of examples. It depends on your definition.

The populations decline of the Chinese is caused by their one child policy.
I only brought up the leftist thing because humanities majors are known for extreme leftism, if anything the anthropologists would be bending over backwards trying to claim existence of matriarchies but every source I find says there's never been one
 

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Many of your statements have aligned with Janey's. Clearly your view on estrogen is the same. For one, you were basically best friends on here from day one. But now that Janey has been exposed you have been trying hard to dissociate yourself from them. I just hope others on here have more common sense than you do.
My view on Estrogen is similar to bridgeburn, noah etc. Janey is just a sissy fetishist. I was friends with her yes, just like with every other person on here who was being nice to me. She tried to groom me in DMs ffs, do you not understand. I told her to leave me alone before all of this drama exploded. So don't gaslight me.

And our little community of HRT users has more common sense then you can imagine.
 

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I only brought up the leftist thing because humanities majors are known for extreme leftism, if anything the anthropologists would be bending over backwards trying to claim existence of matriarchies but every source I find says there's never been one
Yeah, they won't talk about Slavs or Asians because they want this matriarchy of theirs to be politically correct, and you can't really do that with Russia and China being enemies. Western liberalism is pretty bigoted when it comes to enemies of the west.
 
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