Exploring The Hormonal Route. Hair=life.

[Experimentality]

What about anavar? Dbol? Boldenone?

I am not knowledgeable on AAS at all outside of Testosterone. You could search Reddit or any AAS forum for anecdotal reports. I believe Anavar should be quite hair friendly, since some women use it as well. Same for Boldenone. To be frank, I would never recommend steroids just like I would never recommend HRT for non-trans people. I am very aware on anything anti-aging, and AAS definitely do not fit into that picture. Administering exogenous T is already pushing it for me. I think the only anti-aging hormones are Pregnenolone, Progesterone, DHEA and Thyroid. The rest just ages you more rapidly (in supraphysiological doses, as always).

You've really got me thinking about trying this. Bica seems to have a favorable molecular mass to prevent systemic absorption too. It would be VERY cheap as well. How would topical bica stack up against RU? Or would they be better to use concurrently? Thank you for your answers to all these questions, as always.

There is an older thread by IdealForehead that sums up the differences pretty well. Bica's massive half life is really favorable here, because RU has a meager half life of one hour (serum). Furthermore, Bica's binding kinetics are also far superior to RU. Basically, I see no reason to use RU at all. It is not safe, and there are many safer and more effective AA's available. I believe RU got introduced by influencers some years back, and that is where the hype originated. Not that it is not effective: it is just less effective and less well researched than other options (which are also FDA approved). I see no reason to use RU and Bica concurrently. The only thing I would keep an eye on with Bica is systemic build-up due to its half-life, however, that should be avoided with once or twice weekly applications. Daro would probably be even more effective, but it is also (a lot) more expensive.

 

[Experimentality]

We will never have research on men. But even a study on women showed success only in 40-50% of cases, this is small and at best is a lottery. This is not even nearly guaranteed treatment. On this forum, only Ein and Maave got the result, all the rest continued to go bald (5+ people). At the Russian baldness forum, he did not help anyone. Perhaps it has an effect when used with Minoxidil, the effect of which is ambiguous for me personally.

You are as wrong as most when it comes to timing. If you continue to go bald after reaching full concentrations, elementary logic dictates that the drug is not working. I went bald 5 months after taking Bicalutamide, everything is extremely obvious. Apparently you are one of those who give Finasteride a year, then Dutasteride a year, then a year to something else, until you go bald. Since I'm smarter, I went bald before Norwood 1 and will get a perfect Norwood 0 because I was timing my drug testing correctly. While looking back, I understand that it didn't even make sense to try to use only the AP blocker, this idea was doomed to failure.

Thanks. I had to be determined to defeat baldness. Yes, switching between hormones must be harmful to the body. But I very much doubt there is research on this topic. It would be interesting to hear the opinion of a good endocrinologist on this issue. He would be shocked that someone has such level jumps and would clearly be at a loss.
I feel great and I don't think HRT can shorten my life or harm my health.

Castration and nandrolone can be the solution to the problem? Unfortunately, using E is the only way to completely destroy T without resorting to castration.

Concentrations have nothing to do with timeframes of hair cycles. Any hormonal flux will induce a Telogen Effluvium of differential severity depending on the characteristics of that flux. This is also why every treatment should be given at least one year: the hair cycles need to stabilize first. This is not a bad thing if you carefully pick your treatment and stick to it.

Yes, I do recommend finasteride or dutasteride because they are proven to work (maintenance and sometimes slight regrowth) for the overwhelming majority of men. This website (and everywhere else on the internet) is already biased towards the non-responding portion of male pattern baldness sufferers to finasteride/dutasteride. Why would someone visit a hair forum if treatments are satisfactory? If someone is worse off after at least a year on finasteride/dutasteride (that is less than 1%, mind you), they can come back and try more experimental treatments or even HRT if they so desire. To give out advice to the general population to hop on HRT as soon as they notice some thinning is, in my eyes, beyond ridiculous.

I never said that castration or Nand could be solutions to male pattern baldness. I mentioned adrenal androgens, which will remain even after you get on E2 (in fact, Nand will surpress the gonads to a similar extent as E2). There is something to be said for the intrinsic positive effects of E2 on hair that do not have anything to do with T surpression. But those effects come at a high cost of feminization. A big chunk of the positive effects, that arise from T surpression, could probably be mimicked by Nand monotherapy (without any of the feminization). Nand is just a (much) milder alternative for lurkers who may be considering HRT. I would advise them to at least look into Nand first.

 

[Norwoody]

I am not knowledgeable on AAS at all outside of Testosterone. You could search Reddit or any AAS forum for anecdotal reports. I believe Anavar should be quite hair friendly, since some women use it as well. Same for Boldenone. To be frank, I would never recommend steroids just like I would never recommend HRT for non-trans people. I am very aware on anything anti-aging, and AAS definitely do not fit into that picture. Administering exogenous T is already pushing it for me. I think the only anti-aging hormones are Pregnenolone, Progesterone, DHEA and Thyroid. The rest just ages you more rapidly (in supraphysiological doses, as always).

There is an older thread by IdealForehead that sums up the differences pretty well. Bica's massive half life is really favorable here, because RU has a meager half life of one hour (serum). Furthermore, Bica's binding kinetics are also far superior to RU. Basically, I see no reason to use RU at all. It is not safe, and there are many safer and more effective AA's available. I believe RU got introduced by influencers some years back, and that is where the hype originated. Not that it is not effective: it is just less effective and less well researched than other options (which are also FDA approved). I see no reason to use RU and Bica concurrently. The only thing I would keep an eye on with Bica is systemic build-up due to its half-life, however, that should be avoided with once or twice weekly applications. Daro would probably be even more effective, but it is also (a lot) more expensive.

Thank you for your thorough response. Are there any other AAs that may also work well topically?

 

[Pls_NW-1]

@Descending Dog

Ever heard of styling? With this hairstyle I cover up all my thinning areas. The only thin area you can still see is the frontal point on my forehead. But else are all hidden by products and swopping the hair backwards.

Older posters might know how my hair looks like when unstyled and in it's real state lol.

I just posted this to show how my hair looks like when I do my best to hide everything and make it look decent.

 

[Fuchsilein]

What about anavar? Dbol? Boldenone?

Dianabol can make you go bald within a couple weeks. Anavar is a very safe compund, but it's rare and expensive, that's why you'll get fakes and you end up with Dbol pills. Nandrolone would be the go to compound, realistically.

 

[keepcoolmybabies]

a balding tranny inspired another balding tranny LOL!

You seem like a real winner

 

[Fuchsilein]

have you had experience with anavar? once you get everything settled down, esp if not mtf, need something to keep the reps/lifts going up, as the aa effects kind of put a ceiling on it...

Oxandrolone, an anabolic steroid, significantly increases the rate of weight gain in the recovery phase after major burns - PubMed (nih.gov)
We found that the average weight gain during the first 3 weeks was 14.5 +/- 2.5 pounds and that the physical therapy index was 8.8 +/- 0.5 of recovery in the oxandrolone-protein group (n = 7); both of these values were significantly greater than the corresponding values in the other groups. In the high-protein alone group (n = 6), weight gain was 7.5 +/- 1.7 pounds and physical therapy index was 7.0 +/- 0.8. In the retrospective group (n = 10), weight gain was 4.4 +/- 0.8 pounds and function index was 4.1 +/- 0.5. The daily caloric intake was not different between groups. Protein content and oxandrolone were the variables. No side effects were noted with oxandrolone.

Oxandrolone was given in the beginning of the recovery phase in a dosage of 10 mg orally twice a day

No, I don't have experience with anavar. AS said before, you will end up with with fakes regularly that will kill your hair in no time. It's just not a reliable option unless you have a source that is safe to sell you the real compound. (pharmacy)

 

[keepcoolmybabies]

yuck! another balding tranny! i hope you die a horrible balding death Lol!

I feel sorry for you. Anyone capable of having such utter disregard for another human life is beyond emotionally salvageable

 

[keepcoolmybabies]

LOL! tranny’s especially balding ones are considered subhumans who needs to get brutally killed! hahahahahahahaaa!

Obviously pointless to engage in any sort of discourse with you, so take care

 

[Fuchsilein]

Obviously pointless to engage in any sort of discourse with you, so take care

Don't give him attention. He's obviously craving for it.
Just report him.

 

[keepcoolmybabies]

LOL! and you can die off with very horrible disease like aids balding subhuman tranny!

So bald right?

 

[keepcoolmybabies]

i pucked so hard! this picture is the very definition of a wig wearing subhuman tranny in denial LOL! hope you get killed soon! hahahahahahaha!

I guess I should take it as a compliment if you think I'm wearing a wig

 

[keepcoolmybabies]

Lol! you just proved my point balding subhuman tranny! you’re in denial hahahahahahahahahaa!

What does that even mean?

 

[keepcoolmybabies]

And what a f*****g punk. You literally have to dislike every post as if anyone gives a sh*t about that

 

[keepcoolmybabies]

XD you dumb subhuman tranny! you’re a balding guy in denial LOL! did balding also f*** with your brains?… oh wait it did! that’s why you became a tranny! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA!

I'm assuming a lot of people including yourself on this forum have experience hairloss or why would they be here?? I've fortunately managed to reverse much of mine and have a better hairline than I did when I was 18 and have documented that here. So I dunno what you're trying to prove

 

[Fuchsilein]

And what a f*****g punk. You literally have to dislike every post as if anyone gives a sh*t about that

Seriously girl stop responding. You're contributing to the destruction of discourse and feeding the troll.

 

[Solxama]

XD you dumb subhuman tranny! you’re a balding guy in denial LOL! did balding also f*** with your brains?… oh wait it did! that’s why you became a tranny! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA!

Hey troll, I haven't seen such juvenile behaviour since primary school, how old are you lol.

Oh wait a second, I know, it's the typical discourse level of a typical transphobe. You are so pathetic, people like you are not even worth enough to lick the dirt off my shoe. What a miserable person you are, trolling a hair loss forum on a third alt account after you got banned twice lol.

I am rarely this cruel, but I'm making an exception for you. You insulted me on my own thread when I was in deep grief a few days ago, so now I hope you rot in hell.

 

[Fuchsilein]

Hey troll, I haven't seen such juvenile behaviour since primary school, how old are you lol.

Oh wait a second, I know, it's the typical discourse level of a typical transphobe. You are so pathetic, people like you are not even worth enough to lick the dirt off my shoe. What a miserable person you are, trolling a hair loss forum on a third alt account after you got banned twice lol.

I am rarely this cruel, but I'm making an exception for you. You insulted me on my own thread when I was in deep grief a few days ago, so now I hope you rot in hell.

There is nothing to be won except for him. You respond = he wins. Just stop. Report and pretend he doesn't exist.

 

[Solxama]

LOL! did i hit a nerve with another tranny! i hope you are still in grief and thinking of killing yourself balding subhuman tranny ahahahahahahahahahahaha!

You are not making me sad, quite the opposite actually. Your juvenile behaviour is making me laugh.

I've never met anybody more pathetic then you in my life. Even if you knelt before me asking for forgiveness I would spit in your ugly face. Enjoy your hair and youth while you got it, androgens will destroy it sooner or later. And me and others like me will remain youthful and good looking.

 

[Solxama]

There is nothing to be won except for him. You respond = he wins. Just stop. Report and pretend he doesn't exist.

Ok, I'll try. He's just so stupid I can't stop myself from trolling him back.