gourmetstylewellness.com- what ever happened to that promised revivogen trial???

[jsmith]

sorry if this question has been asked and answered before but i couldn't find out the answer anywhere...

a couple of old interviews (from as far back as 2001) with the creator of revivogen have him promising to conduct a clinical trial done by an independent university. i know that this site and the revivogen people did a trial of sorts with people reporting their results, but this isn't the same thing as an independent and controlled study. so does anyone know (particularly gourmetstylewellness.com) what happened to the proposal? are they still promising to conduct one?

it just seems like if revivogen really worked well, it would be in their interest to conduct a real study. gourmetstylewellness.com, maybe you can push them to do this?

 

[THFC]

someone answer the man!

 

[jsmith]

anyone??

 

[jsmith]

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[StrikeFire83]

I would like to see any trial information as well, as I have decided against propecia or any other kind of treatment that could nix my libido.

There science, as much of it as I can understand, seems to be free of the "cleans the folicle to prevent blockage" kind of snake oil bullshit, but I just need some more convincing, $30 a month is a lot of money for me (college student) for something I don't 100% need.

Any further info would be appreciated.

 

[jsmith]

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[jsmith]

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[GourmetStyleWellness]

I've asked the Revivogen people this several times and their answer usually is the following:

(paraphrase)

"We feel that word of mouth and personal results are more influential to the standard consumer public, then a clinical trial is."

Unfortunately, they are right. Case in point - any scam artist that comes here can post before and after photos with or without any clinical data, and people will just run and buy the stuff.

But that is why gourmetstylewellness.com exists. We want to start getting people focused on clinical data. I guess when the product creators feel that it is worth their time and money to conduct a trial, they will do it. Until the time that consumers start demanding data instead of anonymous photos of anonymous people, very few companies are going to feel motivated enough to conduct a trial. They are extremely costly. Peace of mind for us, but whats the ROI for them?

Im glad you're asking for data though. Fortunately we have some pretty strong data on the ingredients that pretty much blows away 99% of the other "unproven" products out there. Revivogen is no doubt in my mind at the top as far as the unproven but potentially helpful world goes. I honestly do still use it myself.

gourmetstylewellness.com

 

[jsmith]

thanks, gourmetstylewellness.com, for your reply.

i have to say, though, that i just don't buy what the revivogen people are saying. they are very inconsistent when they talk about studies. khadavi has been promising since 2001 to conduct a study. i also found a comment from him in may of 2004 on hairlosshelp that says a study was underway and the results would probably come out in 6-9 months. meanwhile, 15 months later and no word on anything. now you say they tell you they don't even think a study is in their interest..... well, which one is it??? are they **still** planning on conducting a study? are they currently conducting a study? or do they not believe a study is in their interest?

furthermore, i don't see how if their product works so well, a study could not be in their interest. think of the press they would get if they had a study showing their *all natural*, *topical*, *no systemic side effects* treatment was effective. it would probably be covered in a number of newspapers and many skeptics (myself included) would run out and buy it. furthermore, such a study would not have to be prohibitively expensive. we're not talking fda approval here, just a small-scale respectable scientific study.

this is all very frustrating...

 

[lithebod]

I have to agree that is quite a dissappointing response from the company - I myself have been a revivogen user for 7.5 months now and I am pretty sure that it has slowed my loss - less hairs falling out and also a small amount of regrowth on the hairline (but I was also using copper peptides at the time)...my hair still looks and feels thin on the crown -some days I think revivogen has made a difference and other times I dont - I think the comment about "word of mouth" sounds a bit weak and certainly doesnt bolster my confidence in the product - as mentioned above FDA approval isnt what we are after just a study that proves the efficacy of revivogen on a decent sample of users - looks like that will be unlikely to happen anytime soon

 

[miker2843]

hey litthebod, obviusly u say that revivogen has not made your hair better, but kept it at the same level...so obviously it is working right????

 

[lithebod]

yes mike thats why im not ready to totally dismiss revivogen - I am convinced that since I have been using it (along with CU peptides) I have maintained (or slowed hairloss significantly) and experienced some growth at the hairline - Im cautious to reccommend in case this is just some sort of "cycle" meaning that a few months from now I start losing again or something - now that I have added spironolactone to my regimen it will be even harder to distinguish which one is having the most effect - bottom line is Im still using rev and will continue - I had six months with just rev as a DHT inhibitor and each hair has gone darker (thicker) I still have faith in it - bear in mind Im a diffuse thinner and dont have any slick spots yet so perhaps it is most effective for those of us who are on the lower side of the Norwood scale as most others on this forum seem to have given up on it totally.

 

[jsmith]

i emailed the revivogen people about the study and this is what they said:

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We would like to thank you for your interest in Revivogen. The study mentioned in May of 2004 is still in progress. As soon as the study is complete the results will be published. If you have any other questions or concerns, please do not hesitate to contact us. Have a Great Day!
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then i emailed them back asking for more information about the study (location, duration, number of participants) and they never responded. slightly suspicious i would say....

gourmetstylewellness.com: any thoughts on why they would tell you that a study isn't really in their interest right now and tell me that they are currently conducting a study??

 

[jsmith]

ok, not sure how many people besides me are really interested... but here is the update of my exchanges with the revivogen people:

after writing to them a second time requesting information about the study that they were conducting, they did finally write back to me the following:
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Dear Jay,

Thank you for your interest in Revivogen Study. Until the study is completed we can not provide you with any of the information you are asking.

Best Regards

Alan
Revivogen Customer Service
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to which i responded:
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Dear Alan,

Thanks for your reply but I don't quite understand. Why are you unable to provide any of the information? I understand privacy concerns for not releasing specific revivogen users, but I don' t understand the reasoning behind not being able to describe the study generally. What's the harm in providing your potential customers with some basic facts about the study?

Thanks again,
Jay
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and they responded:
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Dear Jay,

There are many reason for this but the point is at this time we can not answer any questions about the study or its results so far. I hope you understand and I am very sorry for not being able to tell you more.

Best Regards

Alan
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anyway, i pretty much feel ready to go ahead and accuse the revivogen people of lying about conducting a study at all. i would guess that they just figure it is a good marketting strategy to tell people a study is in progress since it adds so much legitimacy to their product to even be willing to conduct one. if this is the case i think we all have a right to be extremely angry at the revivogen people. (i also wonder if there are any legal implications to this...)

gourmetstylewellness.com (and anyone else), i would love any feedback or comments you could give on this. (by the way, i would be thrilled to find out that i'm wrong since my only interest in this is to get some evidence on how effective revivogen is)

 

[Administrator]

Unlike most of the snake oil tards out there, we don't concoct fake user testimonials. Id rather say nothing than lie to people. That being said I was going to let this thread die until I got this email from someone the other day:

From: jknowles [mailto:jknowles@xxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 7:26 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Hair Regrowth Info Requested

Hi,
I came across your website and would like to ask you a question or two to help me. I think I am a Norwood 5A or 6 with hair all over but diffusion is set in. I have hair all over. But is something is not done soon I will be definitely a 6.

I have taken for past year Revivogen only which seems to be simulating Propecia as what I read all over. Results have been hair loss has stopped and regrowth somewhat above marginal.

1) Do you think I should add Tricomin spray for regrowth which would simulate the Rogaine?

2) Do you think I should also add minoxidil 2% or 5% with Retin-A?

3) What do you think of Restorationhair.com. Should I stop Reviv and try this? Their ingredients are listed at that website itself.

 

[jsmith]

thanks for the reply- i definitely appreciate the honesty of this site, it's never been in question for me.

i also still think it's very possible that revivogen works- there is a lot of in vivo evidence for the ingredients in the product and some positive testimonials.

that said, though, i distrust the way the revivogen people market their product and think it's very possible that they have been lying about conducting a study. the fact that they told you a study wasn't in their interest and then told me two days later that they are conducting a study but they can't release any info on it for a 'number of reasons' which they can't talk about seems pretty suspicious. i'm still hoping to find out what the real deal with this whole thing is.

 

[noorur]

I'm also interested in their study aswell.

I have been using Revivogen since last november, and I have faith in this product.

In the first 5 months, it had significantly slowed down my hairloss. Then I went through a shedding phase that lasted for 4 months and lost alot of hair in that period. The shedding phase just finished and I only shed around 15-20 hairs a day. I am just waiting for the regrowth.

I beleive this product to work, because it had halted my hairloss significantly within the first 2 weeks of usage.

Hope this info helps.

Oh, and I ultimately agree that they should give us some idea of their clinical trial, even if it is a vague one. Atleast they would give us an idea of how good this product is, and if it is really better than propecia/finasteride.

 

[lithebod]

from the man himself - this was in an answer to a post on hairloss help - September 13th 2005 -

Dr. Alex A Khadavi, MD answered: "1. The clinical trials are on-going with open enrollment at multiple centers. So until we have all the data from all the centers the study will not be closed. 2. The patent is at the patent office awaiting full patent authorization. 3. The latest formula has been existance since 2002. You are getting the latest product. We are doing new testing with additional botanical ingredients, but until we show higher effectiveness with these new combinations we will not release them into the market. "

 

[kingg008]

any updates on this?

I thought this was a good thread on Rev.......any updates from the optimistic users on Rev?

 

[lithebod]

Im still keeping the faith with rev 10 months in - I had a real low point about a month back and really felt like jacking it in and going on finasteride (mainly due to the lack of results at the vertex and im unsure if its getting slowly worse or maintaining) - but my plan is to see it through past the 1 year mark (got 3.5 months supply left) - some of the vellus that was growing at my hairline and temples is slowly but surely getting darker and longer -

the bottom line of it is for me is if you are not going to take finasteride for whatever reason and want to at least slow down your male pattern baldness then rev and spironolactone nizoral and tricomin is a pretty decent combo to go for - wouldnt reccomend rev on its own as we are dealing with unproven products here and I dont expect clinical trials to start anytime soon and FDA is a pipe dream for them.