A Study Regarding The Importance Of Personality

[Patrick_Bateman]

If you actually hang out IRL with other people you'll see average guys hooking up with and dating women who can be quite cute by the rating standards of this board. The key is not to be screwed up in the head from a lifetime of autism, watching anime and obsessively browsing forums dedicated to 5,000 word posts on how women cannot feel love and are hard-wired to cheat with male models.

I've had several instances recently where I've met "subhumans" - short, early balders etc, who nevertheless turned out to have girlfriends or fiancées. Not stunners but normal, cutish girls. The common denominator was that they had a a circle of friends and were well-functioning socially.

Having a social life during the years when people first start dating is the most important thing. It's really difficult to catch up after you've missed it. You still have a fighting chance during your years at university and similiar places where you get to hang out with people your age group. Once you're in a job it's almost impossible. That's how you end up a wizard.

Once the train has passed, I say do whatever you can in order to gain experience being social with normal people. Any drugs any looksmaxing, whatever it takes to feel confident in your own skin.

Famous words of @shookwun
Looks max
take xanax

 

[CopeForLife]

i refuse to have kids unless i can find a women with a good bone structure like hers along with good mass and bone structure.

hair.. very important also.


I have beta sh*t tier hair genes along with a mother who has a five head.


I cannot take a chance. worst hair genes ever

Recently was watching tennis match with Muguruza. The only I could think is what Chaddish offspring will she reproduce. She isn't beautiful but elite genes she consists of.

1. 182cm
2. HUGE wide frame (she mogs 90% of males)
3. almost ideal skin tone
4. proportionate tall angular face
5. jawline
6. good nose
7. HAIR
8. thick neck
9. fWHR is ~1.9
10. genetically mentally/physically strong since she is elite sportsman

One minus is Asian eyes and negative canthal tilt but I would take chances.

 

[shookwun]

Recently was watching tennis match with Muguruza. The only I could think is what Chaddish offspring will she reproduce. She isn't beautiful but elite genes she consists of.

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1. 182cm
2. HUGE wide frame (she mogs 90% of males)
3. almost ideal skin tone
4. proportionate tall angular face
5. jawline
6. good nose
7. HAIR
8. thick neck
9. fWHR is ~1.9
10. genetically mentally/physically strong since she is elite sportsman

One minus is Asian eyes and negative canthal tilt but I would take chances.

sometimes reproductive genes and the ability to have a good off spring can override other negative traits.


Look outside. I see tons of BBW thick fit chicks with mediocre faces getting pummeled on the daily WHY? they have good genes!


Frame, mass and structure is very important. Even if the person isnt that attractive, if they have all these traits... they are still very desirable by many.


Dough face - weak skull pretty twink with gay hair = NOTHING in 2017,. its better to be ugly masculine then have a gay feminine face.

 

[Rudiger]

Plenty of women who want a beta provider

Hahaha! The mind of basement dwelling black pill.

"I can't find anyone now after a handful of years of trying, but I can easily go outside to the bus stop or something and a succubus beta seeker will fall at my feet and ruin my life for some reason"

I guess these are the guys who see "reality".

 

[Rudiger]

Recently was watching tennis match with Muguruza. The only I could think is what Chaddish offspring will she reproduce. She isn't beautiful but elite genes she consists of.

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1. 182cm
2. HUGE wide frame (she mogs 90% of males)
3. almost ideal skin tone
4. proportionate tall angular face
5. jawline
6. good nose
7. HAIR
8. thick neck
9. fWHR is ~1.9
10. genetically mentally/physically strong since she is elite sportsman

One minus is Asian eyes and negative canthal tilt but I would take chances.

She's not beautiful but I've really wanted to bang her for quite a few years now. She also tends to have a feistiness about her that works well in bed (potentially a nightmare in other situations but who cares).

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

Place of living does matter. I would be caricature incel in NY or South Korea.

But in a place where I live currently, I am about average even with balding. I do not have a cuck face either cuck/weird behavior (I just keep silent). Skin quality is OK and I can get a 3-month tan just being a few hours on a sun...

I can see guys who I mog on daily basis.

When I was abroad I was brutally mogged in every place I've been by handsome Italians/Spanish/Frenches/Australians and I had huge depression because of that.

TL;DR – having ugly people around helps you to cope mentally



Can't say she is a model but she always had her own style and still a quite respectful woman.

Her daughter btw
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I had no idea that Eastern European men were frequently below average.

And holy sh*t, Tymoshenko's daughter is hot.

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

sometimes reproductive genes and the ability to have a good off spring can override other negative traits.


Look outside. I see tons of BBW thick fit chicks with mediocre faces getting pummeled on the daily WHY? they have good genes!


Frame, mass and structure is very important. Even if the person isnt that attractive, if they have all these traits... they are still very desirable by many.


Dough face - weak skull pretty twink with gay hair = NOTHING in 2017,. its better to be ugly masculine then have a gay feminine face.

In terms of spreading genes, which the real world euphemizes as "having a family", there is not just the issue of genes but also that of social class and money. It's expensive to raise children and thus women with both a career and an education and a broad social network are more valuable life partners.

 

[hairblues]

Seriously, why can't people just me moderately redpilled enough to recognize things for what they are without falling for lookism/MGTOW bullshit? Is it so hard to be just realistic?

Because most people are sheep Dante and 'need' something to believe in to give their empty lives purpose, even the MGTOW garbage.

 

[hairblues]

I do enjoy a good skinmaxing conversation



Which do you think is the better path to maintaining looking like you're in your 20's into your 40's? Botox or tretinoin? Or both?

Tretinoin worked wonders on my facial skin as I used it over the past year. Was also using it for a bit on my hairline to give minoxidil a boost. I've stopped using it completely for the summertime as it was just causing too much paranoia/worry about being under the sun that was interfering with day to day life. Currently just applying sunscreen in the morning for the most part.

Plan right now is to resume tretinoin around Septemberish and use it until Mayish. Do you think occassional botox use would be just as effective and/or more convenient?

Both ideally but I think you have to look at your own ethnicity and your parents to be honest.

My parents--both of them are not really 'wrinkled'.

My dad lost some volume to his face as he aged and of course has some lines..and My Mother really the only thing that sucked for her was her neck once she got into her 60s I would say (reason why I keep a good neck job in mind as preventative if that starts to go in next few years--its better to get mild work done in 40s ad 50s then once you hit 60s because skin elasticity)


I think retinal is fantastic..I use it at night (peter thomas roth PM retinol) and i use vitamin C serum in day (Drunk Elephant)--i love both these products and find I never have to moisturize it hydrates the skin naturally...
I use Peter Thomas Roth Pumpkin Enzyme mask on/off bi weekly.
I just started a Silk Peel which is microdermabrasion and I am considering doing laser Genesis.

I think if you parents are very 'lined' do botox but I personally think unless you live in LA or Vegas somewhere with a lot of Sun yearly late 20s is not really necessary.

When people get botox--even when a faint line is already formed--the botox relaxes the line...so if you wait until you get the beginnings of lines the botox will make the lines go away...it would take YEARS for you to have lines so deep that botox would not make them go away.

I hope that makes sense...be cautious of the Doctors because a lot of them the younger you start the more money they make.


As for retinol--I think you can actually go in Sun while using it unless you are using prescription strength(that I am not sure about)--I am NOT even using prescription strength it's not really necessary...use the over counter ones if you are concerned.

here is a quote from an article in Allure

You Shouldn't Wear Retinoids During the Day Because They Increase Your Risk of Sunburn
Are you sitting down? "This is one of the biggest myths out there," says Sachs. It's true that retinoids break down in sunlight, which is why they are bottled in opaque packaging and are still best worn at night—to make sure they aren't rendered inactive. However, they do not make the skin more prone to sunburn. "This misconception came about because in some early studies, people described putting on a retinoid, walking into the sun, and immediately burning. But that redness is likely related to heat exposure," says Sachs. "Clinical studies have shown pretty definitively that retinoids do not lower the MED—or minimal erythemal dos—of human skin, which is the amount of UV light you can take before the skin burns."
http://www.allure.com/gallery/biggest-retinol-cream-myths

 

[hairblues]

Do you think occassional botox use would be just as effective and/or more convenient?

Botox is specifically for 'lines/wrinkles' creases from muscles.
retinal is for texture of your skin to help resist creasing

so they do two different things.
HA can help prevent sagging which can create lines in lower face like jowl lines but you are WAY too young for that.

 

[kj6723]

Both ideally but I think you have to look at your own ethnicity and your parents to be honest.

My parents--both of them are not really 'wrinkled'.

My dad lost some volume to his face as he aged and of course has some lines..and My Mother really the only thing that sucked for her was her neck once she got into her 60s I would say (reason why I keep a good neck job in mind as preventative if that starts to go in next few years--its better to get mild work done in 40s ad 50s then once you hit 60s because skin elasticity)


I think retinal is fantastic..I use it at night (peter thomas roth PM retinol) and i use vitamin C serum in day (Drunk Elephant)--i love both these products and find I never have to moisturize it hydrates the skin naturally...
I use Peter Thomas Roth Pumpkin Enzyme mask on/off bi weekly.
I just started a Silk Peel which is microdermabrasion and I am considering doing laser Genesis.

I think if you parents are very 'lined' do botox but I personally think unless you live in LA or Vegas somewhere with a lot of Sun yearly late 20s is not really necessary.

When people get botox--even when a faint line is already formed--the botox relaxes the line...so if you wait until you get the beginnings of lines the botox will make the lines go away...it would take YEARS for you to have lines so deep that botox would not make them go away.

I hope that makes sense...be cautious of the Doctors because a lot of them the younger you start the more money they make.


As for retinol--I think you can actually go in Sun while using it unless you are using prescription strength(that I am not sure about)--I am NOT even using prescription strength it's not really necessary...use the over counter ones if you are concerned.

here is a quote from an article in Allure

You Shouldn't Wear Retinoids During the Day Because They Increase Your Risk of Sunburn
Are you sitting down? "This is one of the biggest myths out there," says Sachs. It's true that retinoids break down in sunlight, which is why they are bottled in opaque packaging and are still best worn at night—to make sure they aren't rendered inactive. However, they do not make the skin more prone to sunburn. "This misconception came about because in some early studies, people described putting on a retinoid, walking into the sun, and immediately burning. But that redness is likely related to heat exposure," says Sachs. "Clinical studies have shown pretty definitively that retinoids do not lower the MED—or minimal erythemal dos—of human skin, which is the amount of UV light you can take before the skin burns."
http://www.allure.com/gallery/biggest-retinol-cream-myths

Botox is specifically for 'lines/wrinkles' creases from muscles.
retinal is for texture of your skin to help resist creasing

so they do two different things.
HA can help prevent sagging which can create lines in lower face like jowl lines but you are WAY too young for that.

I do use prescription strength, 0.05%, but only while religiously using sunscreen as well. I only got very slightly burned once while on it, when I found myself under the sun for the day for much longer than I planned, which was actually one of my deciding factors in choosing to drop it for the summer. From my experience of it over the past year I'm pretty confident that if I'm using it 8-9 months straight in the year it will be plenty to undo any lineage that might have developed over the few months I'm off it in the summer, which should be little to none considering I'm still using sunscreen daily

I also stopped using vitamin c serum because I believe without also using tretinoin it was making me break out a bit. I plan to resume it as well when I resume tretinoin

My mom is generally thought to look young for her age, and all she does for her skin is apply sunscreen in the morning in summertime. My dad is also not heavily lined for his age....I don't believe he does anything for his skin

I actually very briefly did some research earlier after posting and it seems that mid 30's-early 40's is the recommended time to start botox, as it is more so for effects of the facial muscles.

So my long term plan as of right now:
-sunscreen daily
-tretinoin and vitamin c in non summer months
-start botox treatment in mid 30's to early 40's

So if I do these things, I should basically continue to have the same face I have now until I need a facelift in my 50's , right?

I don't use a mask or any kind of exfoliation really.... do you think that is necessary?

 

[Dante92]

Because most people are sheep Dante and 'need' something to believe in to give their empty lives purpose, even the MGTOW garbage.

There's nothing wrong in admitting defeat or accepting you're too ugly to have a gf or even sex. Blaming women for rejecting you because you're ugly, though, it is very, very wrong.

 

[hairblues]

-tretinoin and vitamin c in non summer months
-start botox treatment in mid 30's to early 40's

So if I do these things, I should basically continue to have the same face I have now until I need a facelift in my 50's , right?

I don't use a mask or any kind of exfoliation really.... do you think that is necessary?

Uhm your face is going to mature regardless of these things its just going to mature better.

You produce collagen in over kill until 25 after 25 it drops off slows down

to keep collagen you have to eventually look into some lasers that help stimulate collagen production

BUT right now you are too young for this.

 

[CopeForLife]

There's nothing wrong in admitting defeat or accepting you're too ugly to have a gf or even sex. Blaming women for rejecting you because you're ugly, though, it is very, very wrong.

 

[CopeForLife]

Her jawline is a bit too masculine

it wasn't a point

 

[hairblues]

Her jawline is a bit too masculine

Yeah but those pointy chins/ jaws age beautiful

Julia louie dryfus, Reese Witherspoon have that similar thing I think and each one for age groups is aging beautifully.

 

[hairblues]

@kj6723
I think you asked if you need the pumpkin mask?--it's good to exfoliate because it helps remove layer of skin/debris if you have blocked pores helps to remove, it gives a nice glow...some people get large pores as they age--I did not, I think part of it was going for facials regularly when i was in my 20s and 30s so she always cleaned my pores out...the gunk' in there stretches out pores supposedly..of course again some of this is genetics....i went and had a Silk Peel recently they basically suck all the junk out of pores..she said for my age my skin is doing really well and I don't have to come back for Fall, some people need this 1x a month (or it can be people just making money you have to use judgment i know the woman who does this for me she is very truthful to me).
In Fall she wants to start doing 'peels' but gentle ones not the crazy horror film ones lol. This also helps turn over cell renewal.. (basically wounding lol)

A home exfoliator in my opinion is good for everyone..may vary what you use depending if skin is oily or dry or in between.
1x a week is more than enough for most people.

Its basically a AHA in most of them I believe.

here is ingredients in what I use (but probably the AHA that does the most--it feels gentle though)

Pumpkin Enzyme: A natural enzymatic exfoliator that helps smooth the skin's surface.
-Alpha Hydroxy Acid (AHA): Infused with lactic acid; chemically exfoliates to help reveal a fresher, more youthful and radiant appearance.
-Aluminum Oxide Crystals: Provide effective physical exfoliation to polish skin, helping to rejuvenate the appearance of a lackluster complexion.

the daily body lotion I use has AHA and it makes my skin incredibly soft, smooth. My body lotion has 10% AHA. I dont think men need this though. Might be good for body acne .
I also have a body cream with retinol I have to try soon out of curiosity..supposedly it keeps skin tighter.

There is a decent priced company that has some good products Paulas Choice skin care.
A lot of the stuff i mentioned before is pricy but you can find less expensive versions on this site.

 

[kj6723]

Uhm your face is going to mature regardless of these things its just going to mature better.

You produce collagen in over kill until 25 after 25 it drops off slows down

to keep collagen you have to eventually look into some lasers that help stimulate collagen production

BUT right now you are too young for this.

At what age does collagen production drop off so far that tretinoin is no longer enough to keep up turnover? So that's when lasers become essential?

But isn't it a bit like minoxidil, you get used to it at some point and it stops working? I heard it is the case with q10. I think you better cycle. Also : you look young!!! Don't consider Botox now!!!!

Does tretinoin or botox contain the q10? I don't know much about q10 but in a quick search it seems to be its own thing...?

 

[kj6723]

Yes, it is its own thing, but I was Wondering if maybe the same accoutumance could happen with tretinoin...

I've read accounts of people using tretinoin for 20 years with great results. Either way I'm taking a break from it for the summer, and likely will take summers off from here on out, so I kind of am cycling it already

Also, I don't know that minoxidil loses it's effectiveness. There are differing viewpoints but personally I believe it's just the hair loss catching up with minoxidil, since it doesn't actually stop the follicles from dying

 

[hairblues]

At what age does collagen production drop off so far that tretinoin is no longer enough to keep up turnover? So that's when lasers become essential?

Hmm its probably different for everyone---i think ALWAYS use retinol....no matter what age.
I honestly do not think at your age you need prescription strength unless you have acne.

start to add lasers as you skin starts to actually age.. maybe wait until you get into your 30s.

Don't go crazy or obsessive with this stuff so young..you will start to waste money. People will literally take advantage of you for procedures you don't need yet.

I went for regular facials most of my adult life, I had combination skin in 20s and 30s--so i would go for a regular european type of facial..That woman an old Romanian woman who in Romania was actually a chemist in her youth for skin care products--she taught me a lot about my skin and aging over the years.

I did not start to look into really anti aging things until I hit around 40..

I have not even done the anti aging lasers yet but talk to friends who had them done so I know what is good and what is hype..I have not done botox but have a lot of friends who do this...so I know how it works by seeing them talking to them.
Most women I know did not start until they hit 40.

there is something with Botox it is called East coast and West Coast face lol...West coast they want a frozen face---they actually LIKE that look of frozen and those people who like that style DO start early.
East Coast is very subtle its more of an anti aging not about actually trying FREEZE time or face.

Some people you will see them, they have super shiny skin and very plumped and very frozen--that is them over doing the retinol and peels over doing the botox and over doing the filler--and it looks in my opinion BAD. They probably only need 1/2 of much of what they do, half the botox, half the peeling, half the filling.

A little of this stuff goes a long way.

Don't try and stay 'young' try and just age gracefully with some assistance.