Accutane a cure

[Hoppi]

Also, @Mopless - do remember that my regimen isn't really designed to cure everyone - it's designed to treat what I believe my precise triggers for male pattern hair loss are. In the same way that Brains Expel Hair cured his with gluten, amongst many other examples with varying triggers.

I am also fascinated to learn what the true percentage is of people with just "very sensitive hair follicles", as there is a chance that in a huge number of people there is SOME kind of trigger, even if it's very hard to pinpoint. Apparently for example those with MP hair loss have a lower amount of nitric oxide. Perhaps there are many more triggers out there other than just "very sensitive hair follicles", elevated DHT, inflammation, elevated T etc, but they are just very well hidden

Who knows eh? I'm kinda looking forward to finding out, as it would be wonderful if more people could be treated at source!

 

[casken]

kenneth, sorry I know I keep saying this to people but be careful ok? That stuff is pretty rough.

Coenzyme A is as we were saying probably a much smoother ride, great for the body, and will probably have similar effects in terms of scalp sebum if used at a good dose, I would imagine. Brewer's Yeast is also apparently good for sebum reduction, and I could find out about more.

Anyway though just.. be careful!

Thanks for the concern.

However I've been doing the Brewer's Yeast thing for about 8 months and went through a whole bottle of Coenzyme A (expensive stuff!) without any improvement unfortunately.

 

[raj47]

here is small update still i am user user of dutas 0.5mg/day and from feb 02 i started to take accutane 10mg/day ,now two months over with accutane and i felt my pimples and whiteheads and blackheads completly gone and my oily head controlled to accutane i'd like to say my sebum controlled upto 70%.we will see 3 month mark with old pictures ........

 

[squeegee]

bUMP FOR A GOOD THREAD! unk:


The problem with Coenzyme -A which is b/o by the manufacturer right now ..doesn't contain enough B5 in it to make a difference. You need to add B5 to the intake of CoA. If you want to go on the cheap route with results your best bet will be b5 with acetyl l-cystein... 3x a day... it will suck up the sebum like no tomorrow.. but don't go crazy..or your best friend will be the shitcan for the day.

 

[Hoppi]

haha that's interesting Squeegee thank you - oh, Immortal said that Lithium Orotate (topically or orally) is good for quenching sebum.. what do you reckon? It is also apparently a good anti-fungal..

*slurps his aloe vera juice* rofl ^_^

 

[PepperJack]

If you want to balance the sebum production you should try Coenzyme A supplement.

I am on it right now and the sebum just f****ing die. one of the best supplements that I tried so far...just kick ***!

Squeegee--What brand of Coenzyme A are you taking and how much are you taking? And also, how much of the other supps that make it work better are you taking (the B5, etc.)?

 

[squeegee]

haha that's interesting Squeegee thank you - oh, Immortal said that Lithium Orotate (topically or orally) is good for quenching sebum.. what do you reckon? It is also apparently a good anti-fungal..

*slurps his aloe vera juice* rofl ^_^

I know they all over this on immortal.. I personally never tried it.

 

[squeegee]

If you want to balance the sebum production you should try Coenzyme A supplement.

I am on it right now and the sebum just f****ing die. one of the best supplements that I tried so far...just kick ***!

Squeegee--What brand of Coenzyme A are you taking and how much are you taking? And also, how much of the other supps that make it work better are you taking (the B5, etc.)?

PepperJack I was taking this kind : http://www.coenzyme-a.com/coenzymea.html but it is back ordered everywhere from the manufacturer.. But a couple grams of b5 a day with NAC will do the job.. Buy it in capsules because the powder is totally disgusting..just the smell of it is retardly arghhh.. uke: and doesn't dissolve really good. You will see results within days..and cheap if you buy it online @ Vitacost or Swanson vitamins..

 

[PepperJack]

If you want to balance the sebum production you should try Coenzyme A supplement.

I am on it right now and the sebum just f****ing die. one of the best supplements that I tried so far...just kick ***!

Squeegee--What brand of Coenzyme A are you taking and how much are you taking? And also, how much of the other supps that make it work better are you taking (the B5, etc.)?

PepperJack I was taking this kind : http://www.coenzyme-a.com/coenzymea.html but it is back ordered everywhere from the manufacturer.. But a couple grams of b5 a day with NAC will do the job.. Buy it in capsules because the powder is totally disgusting..just the smell of it is retardly arghhh.. uke: and doesn't dissolve really good. You will see results within days..and cheap if you buy it online @ Vitacost or Swanson vitamins..

Ah. Thank you Squeegee. I did a little hunting yesterday at found this out about Pantethine:

"Coenzyme A Precursor. Supports Lipid Metabolism.Pantethine is a derivative of Vitamin B5 and the stable disulfate form of pantetheine, which is the active component of Coenzyme A (CoA). Pantethine supports lipid metabolism by it ability to raise levels of CoA, a cofactor involved in several metabolic pathways including carbohydrate and lipid metabolism. CoA combines with acetyl groups to form Acetyl CoA, a participant in energy production."

I can get the Jarrow brand for $17 and then take with the NAC. Thank you for posting this awesome info.

 

[squeegee]

hey bros cheaper at Swanson vitamins...

http://www.swansonvitamins.com/SWU150/ItemDetail?n=0
http://www.swansonvitamins.com/SW065/ItemDetail?n=0
http://www.swansonvitamins.com/SW854/ItemDetail?n=0

Panthetine is a mix of high bio availability of B5 With Cysteine..

Pantethine (bis-pantethine or co-enzyme pantethine) is a dimeric form of pantothenic acid (vitamin B5). It is composed of two molecules of pantothenic acid linked by cysteamine bridging groups. The monomer of this compound is known as pantetheine and is an intermediate in the production of Coenzyme A by the body. Pantethine is considered the more biologically active form of vitamin B5, but it is less stable, decomposing over time if it is not kept refrigerated[/b] Most vitamin B5 supplements are therefore in the form of calcium pantothenate, a salt of pantothenic acid.

You can reach better results with B5 with NAC couple grams a day.. The best will taking all 3 together.

 

[PepperJack]

hey bros cheaper at Swanson vitamins...

http://www.swansonvitamins.com/SWU150/ItemDetail?n=0
http://www.swansonvitamins.com/SW065/ItemDetail?n=0
http://www.swansonvitamins.com/SW854/ItemDetail?n=0

Panthetine is a mix of high bio availability of B5 With Cysteine..

Pantethine (bis-pantethine or co-enzyme pantethine) is a dimeric form of pantothenic acid (vitamin B5). It is composed of two molecules of pantothenic acid linked by cysteamine bridging groups. The monomer of this compound is known as pantetheine and is an intermediate in the production of Coenzyme A by the body. Pantethine is considered the more biologically active form of vitamin B5, but it is less stable, decomposing over time if it is not kept refrigerated[/b] Most vitamin B5 supplements are therefore in the form of calcium pantothenate, a salt of pantothenic acid.

You can reach better results with B5 with NAC couple grams a day.. The best will taking all 3 together.

Thanks. I was reading on an acne site that some people take mega loads of B5 for long periods of time--such as 3-10 g/day for several months or longer. If you don't mind another question, what daily dose of B5 has been effective for you?

 

[squeegee]

hey bros cheaper at Swanson vitamins...

http://www.swansonvitamins.com/SWU150/ItemDetail?n=0
http://www.swansonvitamins.com/SW065/ItemDetail?n=0
http://www.swansonvitamins.com/SW854/ItemDetail?n=0

Panthetine is a mix of high bio availability of B5 With Cysteine..

Pantethine (bis-pantethine or co-enzyme pantethine) is a dimeric form of pantothenic acid (vitamin B5). It is composed of two molecules of pantothenic acid linked by cysteamine bridging groups. The monomer of this compound is known as pantetheine and is an intermediate in the production of Coenzyme A by the body. Pantethine is considered the more biologically active form of vitamin B5, but it is less stable, decomposing over time if it is not kept refrigerated[/b] Most vitamin B5 supplements are therefore in the form of calcium pantothenate, a salt of pantothenic acid.

You can reach better results with B5 with NAC couple grams a day.. The best will taking all 3 together.

Thanks. I was reading on an acne site that some people take mega loads of B5 for long periods of time--such as 3-10 g/day for several months or longer. If you don't mind another question, what daily dose of B5 has been effective for you?

Right Now I am taking 2 grams 3x a day with NAC about 1200mg 3x a days as well at the same time. But I also take Panthetine x2 a day. We all have different metabolism so.. You start with a baseline of 1-2 grams a day then add more if you don't have any side effects showing up.. You will see the positive results in a matter of days....so it is easy to track down.. Everything get dryer really fast and you have more energy.. By taking NAC you cut down on the amount needed of B5. It works really good!



unk:

acetyl CoA Important for Cholesterol and Steroid Biosynthesis

Acetyl CoA is the first step in the body's synthesis of Cholesterol. Cholesterol is then used to make all steroidal hormones. Many of the steroidal hormones are made by the adrenal gland, so it is very logical that B5 deficiency can result in a syndromes called adrenal failure, or the inability to synthesis steroidal hormones such as Cortisol. See my previous article on Adrenal Fatigue for more information about this syndrome.

Here more info about Coenzyme A and the control of sebum:

http://hubpages.com/hub/Acne-Cure-Guarantee
http://hubpages.com/hub/Try-The-New-Acn ... -For-Years

 

[Hoppi]

Squeegee man I heard an amazing thing about all of this, it may well not be new to you but.. it makes a lot of sense so I wanted to tell you! Here is what ma duuuude Immortal said about all this (sebum):

"Hoppipolla - When blood sugar levels are low, due to high insulin clearing glucose levels from the blood, liver and so forth, the adrenal glands are stimulated to increase adrogens, and at the same time, the body is urged to replenish its supply of glucose, so when glucose levels raise again with the consumption of food, the eventual high glucose level will increase IGF-1, which will increase sebum, and the cycle repeats.

For a more exact explanation you can check this PDF file out:

http://www.thepaleodiet.com/articles/Fi ... rticle.pdf "


So, why did I get oily scalp, then dandruff? Because! I got my insulin too high which pushed my IGF-1 too high (plus I was eating a ton of soy and drinking too much milk lol), which increased my sebum which caught more DHT (which may have been high due to me squishing my T levels with insulin/cortisol), which made more sebum, and then I now probably have some very mild fungal infection on the sebum which has given me mild dandruff ._. (very, very common amongst MPBers I think).

I believe the solution is to remove the fungal activity and dandruff, reduce inflammation, reduce sebum and possibly shrink the sebaceous glands (I am not sure if the enlarging of them is merely permanent or continues for a while.

Phew! Man I'm gonna get some sleep lol

 

[Bryan]

Squeegee man I heard an amazing thing about all of this, it may well not be new to you but.. it makes a lot of sense so I wanted to tell you! Here is what ma duuuude Immortal said about all this (sebum):

"Hoppipolla - When blood sugar levels are low, due to high insulin clearing glucose levels from the blood, liver and so forth, the adrenal glands are stimulated to increase adrogens..."

Did you know that a few years ago, the legendary Dr. Albert M. Kligman (probably the most famous name in the history of dermatology) did a very careful study which examined the effects of sex hormones (both androgens and estrogens) on sebum production (citation available, on request)? He found that giving as much as 300 mg/day of methyl testosterone orally to healthy young men had no effect at all on their sebum production! Are you aware of that? That seems to debunk the popular notion that so many people have (among other myths) that eating sugary foods causes acne by increasing sebum production: sugar ---> more insulin ---> more androgens ---> more sebum ---> more acne. Maybe it also helps debunk the theory that eating sugar and other similar foods also causes hair loss!

 

[Brains Expel Hair]

Are you claiming that there's no link between food and acne?

 

[Bryan]

Are you claiming that there's no link between food and acne?

No. Just that most people's explanation for it is flawed.

 

[Brains Expel Hair]

ah, yes

 

[Hoppi]

lol Bryan! We are not saying that testosterone increases sebum! That's insane lol

IGF-1 and DHT build up in the follicles increases sebum

and more insulin doesn't equal more androgens! That's insane too! It equals LESS androgens! Maybe more from the adrenal gland but that's nothing compared to the crushing effect insulin and cortisol seem to have on the natural production of T, and also the lifting E seems to enjoy!

 

[PepperJack]

hey bros cheaper at Swanson vitamins...

http://www.swansonvitamins.com/SWU150/ItemDetail?n=0
http://www.swansonvitamins.com/SW065/ItemDetail?n=0
http://www.swansonvitamins.com/SW854/ItemDetail?n=0

Panthetine is a mix of high bio availability of B5 With Cysteine..

Pantethine (bis-pantethine or co-enzyme pantethine) is a dimeric form of pantothenic acid (vitamin B5). It is composed of two molecules of pantothenic acid linked by cysteamine bridging groups. The monomer of this compound is known as pantetheine and is an intermediate in the production of Coenzyme A by the body. Pantethine is considered the more biologically active form of vitamin B5, but it is less stable, decomposing over time if it is not kept refrigerated[/b] Most vitamin B5 supplements are therefore in the form of calcium pantothenate, a salt of pantothenic acid.

You can reach better results with B5 with NAC couple grams a day.. The best will taking all 3 together.

Thanks. I was reading on an acne site that some people take mega loads of B5 for long periods of time--such as 3-10 g/day for several months or longer. If you don't mind another question, what daily dose of B5 has been effective for you?

Right Now I am taking 2 grams 3x a day with NAC about 1200mg 3x a days as well at the same time. But I also take Panthetine x2 a day. We all have different metabolism so.. You start with a baseline of 1-2 grams a day then add more if you don't have any side effects showing up.. You will see the positive results in a matter of days....so it is easy to track down.. Everything get dryer really fast and you have more energy.. By taking NAC you cut down on the amount needed of B5. It works really good!



unk:

acetyl CoA Important for Cholesterol and Steroid Biosynthesis

Acetyl CoA is the first step in the body's synthesis of Cholesterol. Cholesterol is then used to make all steroidal hormones. Many of the steroidal hormones are made by the adrenal gland, so it is very logical that B5 deficiency can result in a syndromes called adrenal failure, or the inability to synthesis steroidal hormones such as Cortisol. See my previous article on Adrenal Fatigue for more information about this syndrome.

Here more info about Coenzyme A and the control of sebum:

http://hubpages.com/hub/Acne-Cure-Guarantee
http://hubpages.com/hub/Try-The-New-Acn ... -For-Years

Awesome. Thanks for the info. I'm going for it.

 

[Bryan]

lol Bryan! We are not saying that testosterone increases sebum! That's insane lol

IGF-1 and DHT build up in the follicles increases sebum

Question: And where does DHT come from?
Answer: It comes from testosterone.

Why do you suppose that castrated men produce only about 1/10 the sebum of normal men? Come on, Hoppi, use your head!

and more insulin doesn't equal more androgens! That's insane too! It equals LESS androgens!

Really? I'll hold you to that statement, in the future!

Maybe more from the adrenal gland but that's nothing compared to the crushing effect insulin and cortisol seem to have on the natural production of T, and also the lifting E seems to enjoy!

I don't understand what you're saying about estrogen. Please clarify EXACTLY what you mean by that.