ACELL Looks promising!!! What do u guys think of this?

[miozambrotta19]

Re: Looks promising!!! What do u guys think of this?

From the interview, he mentions that plucked scalp hair has seen better results then beard hairs. He also mentions that hair does regrow in the plucked site. The only problem seems to be the percentage of hairs that are growing at the recipient site. Hes been getting up to %50 percent in hair growing from plucked hairs. If with time he could get it up to %80-90, then we should all celebrate. Then the only problem would be the cost, and if the hairs will continue do grow in normal cycles. IF your rich and have money to go and have many procedures done, then this i believe it your cure to baldness. For the rest, i think we just have to wait and see what happens in the next few months or year with this

 

[Vox]

Re: Looks promising!!! What do u guys think of this?

Where is this interview?

 

[malo]

Re: Looks promising!!! What do u guys think of this?

Where is this interview?

Spencer Kobren interviewed him on the Bald Truth program
and Dr. Cooley has been answering a lot of questions on the Bald Truth Forum.

 

[person]

Re: Looks promising!!! What do u guys think of this?

Please for the love of god can you guys stop bitc*ing about not being able to afford new treatments. No one cares about whether you can afford the treatment or not. You should be grateful that at least we are getting promising news concerning the solution to this nightmare of balding. I for one will get the money from somewhere to pay for whatever arrives in the next few years. I don't care if I do well with my studies and become rich or if I have to work my ar*e off in a bar 50 hours a week. You guys should share the same mentality instead of bitc*ing all the time.

 

[bigentries]

Re: Looks promising!!! What do u guys think of this?

It's not complaining, it's just facing the reality. It is great to see a breakthrough, but people can already benefit from mega-sessions of FUE work that they are not able to afford and probably never will.

Why should I be grateful? If it costs a lot, the balding nightmare will still be my nightmare
Really, is like saying that a kid dying from hunger in Africa should be grateful for all the technological advances in first world countries

 

[Oknow]

Re: Looks promising!!! What do u guys think of this?

It's not complaining, it's just facing the reality. It is great to see a breakthrough, but people can already benefit from mega-sessions of FUE work that they are not able to afford and probably never will.

Why should I be grateful? If it costs a lot, the balding nightmare will still be my nightmare
Really, is like saying that a kid dying from hunger in Africa should be grateful for all the technological advances in first world countries

tbh the cost will go down overtime. Always happens when something new comes out. Lazik for example was very expensive when it first came out, now it is much cheaper.

Also,in this case, if anything, they can see that by lowering the cost they may in effect make more cash as it encourages customers who have had it done to return for more treatment. That will probably create a steady income for surgeons performing this as it gaurentees business.

Thirdly, only Cooley is doing this right now. SO, if it catches on, the cost will vary.

I think you guys should be more optimistic.

 

[miozambrotta19]

Re: Looks promising!!! What do u guys think of this?

This is a huge deal. The last so called big thing was almost 20 years ago with the introduction of propecia. If this method gets more refined and they are able to get a higher percentage of hairs growing from plucked hairs, i will be worth it-And if other doctors catch on an are able to the same prices might go down. Dr Cooley's office manager told me the cost for plucked hair procedure is $10 per hair. So doing th math 1000 plucks-$10,000. Thats pretty hefty knowing that only %30-%50 of hairs will take. Three things need to happen with this.

1)-Method needs to me mastered, and hairs growing from plucks must be in high percentage bracket
2) Other doctors need to get on board with this to hopefully drive down costs
3) Still need to find out if these hairs are dht sensitive and if they will last more then an anagen hair cycle?

 

[Ori83]

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3) Still need to find out if these hairs are dht sensitive and if they will last more then an anagen hair cycle?

lets hope these hairs keep the same characteristics from where they were pluked from, cause we all know that hairs from donor area immune to male pattern baldness

 

[Spanishlad]

Re: Looks promising!!! What do u guys think of this?

Im glad to see its not just me getting excited at the possibilities of this.If dr cooley can refine this procedure then it will be the first time there has been a genuine cure for baldness.

 

[belowzero]

Re: Looks promising!!! What do u guys think of this?

is it just me , or does this actually look and sound legit? Im getting quite excited.

 

[miozambrotta19]

Re: Looks promising!!! What do u guys think of this?

Yes i think it is legit. The only problem is that they still need to find out if these hairs are DHT sensitive and if they will last more then a cycle. Also, at this point there only offering small sessions and the outcome is from %50-%75 in regards to plucked hairs growing. Also the procedure cost at this point for the procedure is $10 a pluck. The range could be from $10,000-$50,000plus. This a a pretty hefty bill unless your made of money. Hopefully other Dr's get on board and can lower the price.
I was also told that there donor hairs arent unlimited because hairs can only be plucked a number of times because multiple plucks can damange the hair and can stop growing. Yes this is a hig deal and everyone should be excited, but some things still need to be done.

 

[Ori83]

Re: Looks promising!!! What do u guys think of this?

I was also told that there donor hairs arent unlimited because hairs can only be plucked a number of times because multiple plucks can damange the hair and can stop growing.

(in that case we might want to keep our body hair away from the lazer treatments :S)

 

[Swoosh-X]

Re: Looks promising!!! What do u guys think of this?

It would be almost impossible to run out of plucked hair (provided the plucked hairs take) because you can pluck a hair several times before it dies out.

That means basically you'd be able to transfer in theory all the hair from the sides/back of your head several times over to the balding areas of your scalp, without losing any density from your donor area.

It's not like you pluck a hair once and it'll stop growing, women wax their legs constantly, which is basically "mass plucking" and hair follicles continue growing for years and years.

$10/graft at this extremely early stage isn't that bad actually ... so basically he's charging double the cost right now.

As time goes on of course that cost will come down. I can see other surgeons adopting this quickly because Cooley is going to end up stealing a lot of their business otherwise.

Of course this is all contingent on the hairs cycling normally, which is really the big remaining question.

 

[Skywalker]

Re: Looks promising!!! What do u guys think of this?

$10/graft at this extremely early stage isn't that bad actually ... so basically he's charging double the cost right now.

It's not $10 per graft - it's $10 per hair. It also seems that the hair growing in the recipient site will be thinner than the hair it was plucked from (that seems to be the suggestion, it is all quite unclear though).

I am not knocking the procedure, I think it is potentially fantastic, I just think that for mass use the current price is unrealistic - but if this procedure gets adopted then I think the price will drop dramatically as it seems it is much easier to do than standard FUE.

 

[Swoosh-X]

Re: Looks promising!!! What do u guys think of this?

That cost is still reasonable considering they're basically at all "pre-release" stage of development, this isn't even yet a finalized procedure.

It's normal for a procedure like this to cost anywhere from 3x-5x as much early on (ie: Lasik laser eye surgery, laser hair removal, etc.).

The other thing is if this does take off, you have to consider that maybe what? 5% of guys with thinning hair currently bother with a hair transplant?

I think one of the main reasons is that no one wants to drop a lot of money on something knowing that they'll run out of donor hair.

If this works, you'll see a lot more people willing to consider having a transplant, which could double or triple business for clinics offering this kind of procedure.

If a clinic is getting 3x the business charging $3/hair versus $7/hair ... I mean why not. This doesn't really work for the current set up because men/women currently doing this were facing the issue of running out of donor hair. Take that off the table and I think this easily becomes one of the more popular cosmetic procedures.

 

[miozambrotta19]

Re: Looks promising!!! What do u guys think of this?

I agree Swoosh-Like you said most men that are thinning do avoid transplants because lack of donor and because of cost. Only %7 of balding people seek medical help. If more doctors get on board and the technique is mastered, i would see no reason why the price wouldnt be more affordable. Hopefully this happens. I saw an update on Dr Bernsteins page talking about Acell and that he will be experimenting with it soon. If the price for this was around the current avg price of strip($3-$5), doctors would be stormed with appointments. I believe the new year will be a big year from mastering and expansion of this technique.

 

[Skywalker]

Re: Looks promising!!! What do u guys think of this?

Reputable Strip Practices are charging under $4 a graft for big Strip procedures, I am hopeful that if this really works it will end up at well under $3 a hair from reputable clinics - maybe even under $2 a hair, it will all depend on how much work is actually involved once it is perfected. As you say the potential market is massive for people who were previously not candidates or who were not prepared to accept the scarring that is currently involved.

 

[Swoosh-X]

Re: Looks promising!!! What do u guys think of this?

I think it's important to note too that there isn't really a "physical" cost here. You're basically just paying for the doctor's time/skill but it's not like the hair itself costs anything since it comes from your own body.

If I went to a hair transplant surgeon and said I'm willing to pay $25k, but I must have 6000 grafts or no deal ... I'd be willing to bet a lot of surgeons would rather take my $25k and agree to this deal rather than let me walk and get $0.

hair transplant surgeons have to charge a lot for hair transplant because lets be honest -- it's a niche/specialty procedure. It's not mainstream. There are even movie stars and royalty (Prince William) unwilling to get them because it's just not an "end game" solution when donor supply is limited.

The doctor who can provide good coverage to a balding man for about $20-$30k (the price of a non-luxury car) is going to be very rich, because he's going to have 4-5x the business of other surgeons.

That's the "magic ticket" price ($10-$15k would be even better of course) I think.

 

[Skywalker]

Re: Looks promising!!! What do u guys think of this?

Swoosh-X, I agree, but if you have to return every 3 years because it doesn't cycle then that is a different story.

I am somewhat optimistic that they will cycle (because they were regenerated by the body and the body usually does good work) but I have been thinking about donor dominance and my guess (it is just a guess) is that they will NOT be donor dominant because the outer sheath is built in the recipient area. If they are very susceptible to DHT then I wonder how long they will last ? I suppose that will vary from person to person. I hope I am wrong about this

 

[miozambrotta19]

Re: Looks promising!!! What do u guys think of this?

Very tru skywalker-The cycling will be the only thing left to overcome. But going back to the price, $10 a hair is kinda crazy if you ask me. How would a Doctor expect a huge market to open up if your charging $10 a hair. For example someone who needs 3000-4000 grafts which is around 10,000 hairs would be $100,000, and thats just for 4000 grafts. if somone needs more only a small market for this will open up. Just doesnt make sence for me