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Hammy070 said:Bryan said:I want to emphasize the point I made before by pointing out that the statement above is equivalent to saying: "Batteries have to pass a point where they can be produced on a large scale reliably."
See my point?Batteries are just a way to STORE energy, and so is hydrogen. You can't go "mining" for batteries to power the nation, and neither can you do that for hydrogen! Hydrogen has no function as a primary source of energy. Including hydrogen is any discusssion of potential future energy sources is irrelevant and highly misleading.
Hence, why I said "produced on a large scale reliably". I'm highlighting hydrogen's function, flexibility, and abundance. To depend on hydrogen, means we can use any form of energy to make it. If we depend on oil, we cant turn any form of energy into oil. Hydrogen being an energy dense liquid has the best of oil, but not the worst, and is created, not simply sucked out from wherever it is, and of course, very clean. The challenge is to develop a multiple-energy source system, that doesn't have a single overlydominant source produce it all.
I think it would be far cheaper to make hydrogen wherever needed, than to drill holes, build rigs, geoanalyze, build silly pipelines that cause wars etc. We make it, however much we want, wherever we want, and it doesn't ever travel far. Persian gulf becomes free of all American bases! Middle east problems gone. etc etc etc, it's all so wonderful.
Trouble is, corporations will find it difficult to control if hydrogen supplies are determined by desire, from the individual, to the town, city, region or nation. If supply is that customized, then so is demand, then so is price. Not much money in something that doesn't require a multimillion pound investment just to see if the stuff is there or not.
Do you see? :shock:
It seems like you've gone back to being confused about hydrogen again!
Hammy, if you haven't heard, we're in an ENERGY CRISIS here. Converting energy into hydrogen (once you have the energy) is a relatively trivial operation. The big problem with making hydrogen is GETTING THE ENERGY TO DO IT. Even if we start using hydrogen to store our energy and we're still using oil as the source for that energy, we will STILL have the same problems you mentioned above: drilling holes, building rigs, geoanalyzing, having American bases in the Persian Gulf, having Middle East problems, etc.
For the umpteenth time, FORGET HYDROGEN!! Let's stay focused on the central problem, which is DEVELOPING NON-PETROLEUM ENERGY SOURCES!