Follically Challenged
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I only pulled out some. Would it have been better to let the grafts take and have a hairline i didn't feel comfortable with for the rest of my life?
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Hmm? Not going to answer me?
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Follically Challenged said:
That's the most stupid thing I ever heard concerning hairloss. If you would not be satisfied how hairline looks like you could alway get extra grats done later. Now how do you know that he made you a asimetrical hairline? He's the expert on surgery and you are not. Maybe it just appeared asymetrical at first but when the grafts started growing it would look just fine.
And pictures would be really welcome. Armani is top surgeon when making hairlines so I don't believe he made you one that looked so bad you actualy had to pull out grafts.
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It was too low, from the moment he showed me I thought that. I think I should be able to decide what's best for me. He was over-aggressive from the start, drawing the line way too low at first. He work is very impressive, maybe you just can't believe that he isn't perfect every time. I can get plugs again, and I can still have the hairline I want. If i left them in I would have had a hairline that was too low for the rest of my life.
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By the way, the hair was in my head. How would the grafts growing in make the hairline look any different? You people that throw around the word stupid really don't look too smart in my eyes.
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Did he ask you before he started with surgery if you are satisfied with your hairline? And the micro grafts are not called plugs. Of course you can get a new transplant but your donor supply is limited. I didn't say you are stupid, I just think it's a stupid thing to do since you should have discussed with the surgeon the hairline you want. This is the first time I ever heard someone intentionaly pulling the grafts out.
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After he drew the first line way too low, and i told him, he redrew it. I said it was still too low, and he said he wouldn't go that low, it was just a guide, or something to that effect.
You'd think there would be some discussion the day of the interview about what you want, before you are sitting in the operation chair. Instead, you are just sitting in the chair in your operation gown (i can't remember if i was injected with something "for my relaxation" by that point) and he comes in and draws the line and hands you a mirror. I feel I should note that in anyone's defense who has a surgeon that actually follows the line he draws, it's still tough to judge exactly what hair sitting in your head will look like, as opposed to some line someone drew.
I have tons of donor hair left....it was a very small procdure, and anything left to do (which will be very minimal) can easily be done with a FUE procedure.
You'd think there would be some discussion the day of the interview about what you want, before you are sitting in the operation chair. Instead, you are just sitting in the chair in your operation gown (i can't remember if i was injected with something "for my relaxation" by that point) and he comes in and draws the line and hands you a mirror. I feel I should note that in anyone's defense who has a surgeon that actually follows the line he draws, it's still tough to judge exactly what hair sitting in your head will look like, as opposed to some line someone drew.
I have tons of donor hair left....it was a very small procdure, and anything left to do (which will be very minimal) can easily be done with a FUE procedure.
2500 grafts is NOT a small procedure. That should take about 11 hours. That is a long time to be under anestetic. He did a long strip so it would not have to be as wide. What size was the area he did, in sq cm? 85? If you think it is less than 75, you should worry you got ripped off. i wish you had pictures so i could tell you.
There is no point in doing FUE now. You should do another strip from the same place and have them take out the old scar with it so you just have one scar. If you do FUE, you will have the linear scar AND thousands of spot scars. Do one or the other but not both.
ok, i just read this last page and have some comments. i drew my hairline myself after thinking about it for a year, and i negotiated with Dr keene for 15 minutes the first time. Dr Jackson just drew it on himself but that was ok because it was so high it did not matter. Dr keene wanted to give me a really low hair line, but i wanted to be a nw1, not a reverse norwood. She drew it where i wanted it. The next time she knew me better and did not argue. i told her where i wanted it, and she drew it in the same old place. So then i asked for the pen and drew it on there myself. She said she'd put it where i draw it as long as i don't make myself look like a monkey. She approved of it and followed it exactly, except on my left side where she moved the side forward just under 1/8 of an inch. A freckle marked the spot. U was upset, and considered pulling the extras out, but then decided it actually looked better than where I had draw it, and told her so. she first said she accidentally gave me an extra 100 grafts and needed a place to put them, but then later said she had put it exactly where i drew it. But if you draw the hairline yourself, and really tell her not to mess with it, she won't mess with it by more than a very small amount in one spot. i'm going back to her for some thickening, if my topicals don't regrow my hairline. But his time i'm drawing the line with a very permenant thin marker that she can't wipe off, and asking her not to cross the line. I know she will smile and thank me for making her job easier by doing some of the work for her.
she is an excellent dr. she and i just disagree a bit on asthetics. I will make my hair line a little bit more like the one she drew, but much higher and wider.
There is no point in doing FUE now. You should do another strip from the same place and have them take out the old scar with it so you just have one scar. If you do FUE, you will have the linear scar AND thousands of spot scars. Do one or the other but not both.
ok, i just read this last page and have some comments. i drew my hairline myself after thinking about it for a year, and i negotiated with Dr keene for 15 minutes the first time. Dr Jackson just drew it on himself but that was ok because it was so high it did not matter. Dr keene wanted to give me a really low hair line, but i wanted to be a nw1, not a reverse norwood. She drew it where i wanted it. The next time she knew me better and did not argue. i told her where i wanted it, and she drew it in the same old place. So then i asked for the pen and drew it on there myself. She said she'd put it where i draw it as long as i don't make myself look like a monkey. She approved of it and followed it exactly, except on my left side where she moved the side forward just under 1/8 of an inch. A freckle marked the spot. U was upset, and considered pulling the extras out, but then decided it actually looked better than where I had draw it, and told her so. she first said she accidentally gave me an extra 100 grafts and needed a place to put them, but then later said she had put it exactly where i drew it. But if you draw the hairline yourself, and really tell her not to mess with it, she won't mess with it by more than a very small amount in one spot. i'm going back to her for some thickening, if my topicals don't regrow my hairline. But his time i'm drawing the line with a very permenant thin marker that she can't wipe off, and asking her not to cross the line. I know she will smile and thank me for making her job easier by doing some of the work for her.
she is an excellent dr. she and i just disagree a bit on asthetics. I will make my hair line a little bit more like the one she drew, but much higher and wider.
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I appreciate the cordial reply, chemistry.
Really I won't need hardly any more transplants (maybe 200 at the most), so i think a fue is what i need.
I do question whether i received 2500 grafts. (A graft is just one hair, right?) But anyways the amount of hairs to be implanted and price was agreed to, and then i used minoxidil for a few months, and then had the operation. he said he saw regrowth, and would throw some implants into my crown (where i didn't really care if they went in or not) but then later on in the day he said he put 2500 into my temples/hairline. maybe he did or didn't, but my scalp is numb/sore enough still, so i'm glad i didn't get any more.
i will say he did a great job with the incision scar. will hardly be noticeable at all i think.
Really I won't need hardly any more transplants (maybe 200 at the most), so i think a fue is what i need.
I do question whether i received 2500 grafts. (A graft is just one hair, right?) But anyways the amount of hairs to be implanted and price was agreed to, and then i used minoxidil for a few months, and then had the operation. he said he saw regrowth, and would throw some implants into my crown (where i didn't really care if they went in or not) but then later on in the day he said he put 2500 into my temples/hairline. maybe he did or didn't, but my scalp is numb/sore enough still, so i'm glad i didn't get any more.
i will say he did a great job with the incision scar. will hardly be noticeable at all i think.
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In my oppinion he did poor job informing you about the proceedure. But I think you also had no clue what exactly you wanted. I seriously doubt that if you are informed and you know what you want he would be doing stuff you don't want.
For instance you don't know what a graft is. Armani does the so called micro grafts. A graft can have one, two or three hairs. It's a piece of skin with hair follicles.
Keep reading the forums and you will see that you are always injected with drugs to make your scalp numb. Also the confidence that you will never need more transplants is misplaced because nobody can get a full head of hair with just 2500 grafts.
Really bro, you need to do a whole lot of reading before you do your next proceedure. The reading you should have done before you went to get your first one done in the first place. At least you have chosen a good Doctor who didn't butcher you.
For instance you don't know what a graft is. Armani does the so called micro grafts. A graft can have one, two or three hairs. It's a piece of skin with hair follicles.
Keep reading the forums and you will see that you are always injected with drugs to make your scalp numb. Also the confidence that you will never need more transplants is misplaced because nobody can get a full head of hair with just 2500 grafts.
Really bro, you need to do a whole lot of reading before you do your next proceedure. The reading you should have done before you went to get your first one done in the first place. At least you have chosen a good Doctor who didn't butcher you.
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The drug I was injected with was not related to freezing. It was something that makes you sleep throughout the day intermittently, and makes it so you can't walk without feeling tipsy.
Sure, I could have been more informed, but to what extent would that have helped me? I knew a hair was being stuck in my head. So a graft has a piece of skin attached to it. So what? Would that make it all better, that I knew that? All you see in the end is hair sticking out of your head.
Also, in case you didn't see earlier in my posting, I had little hair loss. In fact, so little that when I asked people about it, they would say "I don't see it."
And I'm done posting in this thread.
Sure, I could have been more informed, but to what extent would that have helped me? I knew a hair was being stuck in my head. So a graft has a piece of skin attached to it. So what? Would that make it all better, that I knew that? All you see in the end is hair sticking out of your head.
Also, in case you didn't see earlier in my posting, I had little hair loss. In fact, so little that when I asked people about it, they would say "I don't see it."
And I'm done posting in this thread.
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Why did you get a transplant then if your hairloss wasn't visible? And feeling tipsy and sleepy is a sideeffect of anasthetics.
And concerning the knowledge about the transplants is not to be compared to knowledge about cars or something like that. It helps you choosing appropriate doctor, possible consequences of getting a hairtransplant to soon or too young, making decisions how to make to best look out of a limited donor area etc. Oh and you can only do it a couple of times and then if you get screwed you're going to look like a freak for years to come.
And concerning the knowledge about the transplants is not to be compared to knowledge about cars or something like that. It helps you choosing appropriate doctor, possible consequences of getting a hairtransplant to soon or too young, making decisions how to make to best look out of a limited donor area etc. Oh and you can only do it a couple of times and then if you get screwed you're going to look like a freak for years to come.