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[michael barry]

Jayman wrote:

"michael,

i guess you have never watched Maury or Jerry Springer. ""


So true Jayman.......It amazes me that people will go on those shows and literally degrade themselves. Let me point to Maury in particular. We have all seen the episodes where some ghetto female, who has tested numerous guys for paternity, is just dead set on father contestant number 5 being the "one", who needs to "man up to his responsibilities" and pay her child support, and how she will cry her head off when the tests come back negative.

If you want the real ugly truth Jayman, the birthrate amongst blacks in america has now dipped to 1.91, which is slightly below replacement. The fear of child support is making alot of young black men either pull it out or wrap it in trojan latex in the first place. Since we have been able to DNA test for paternity, and have awarded women the financial rewards of child support, alimony (if they were married), section 8 housing, WICCA (free food for the baby and its shots), food stamps, ATFDC (aild to families with dependent children) payments and treated them as if "society" done something wrong to them instead of them just behaving like "hos'" and getting knocked up by some random guy, we have encouraged out-of-wedlock motherhood.

My advice: wear a rubber on the first orgasm when there are bullets in the gun. Throw the condom in the toilet and FLUSH IT (I seen a guy who got nailed for paternity with a woman who admitted she took a rubber out of the TRASH CAN he used, put the rubber in the freezer, and got a friendly doctor to inseminate her with its sperm on Ophrah once, ............this obviously pissed me off). . On ensuing fucks, even though you arent shooting anything but are only experiencing dry contraction orgasms, STILL pull it out..................dont even give her a drop of sperm. Women these days have no scruples at all about achieving a "Payday" by getting knocked up by a guy they have no intention of marrying. MTV and the culture it promotes has alot to do with this. They act as if the world is biased against women. In truth its very biased against men. If you get nailed with a paternity suit, you will be paying about 20% of your income to a woman (this is not tax deductible either) for the next 18 years, and in some states until the child is out of college, so that can stretch to 22 years. This will harm you financially and lessen your chances of starting a family that you WANT to be in. All because of some "ho" who lied to you to get a baby and the financial benefits. We dont owe'em sh*t man.




Bobmer,

Man, the only way to test your idea is for some sort of study to be conducted by taking the chairs out of someone's house, and making them set Japanese or Arabian-style (either legs crossed on the floor or with legs out against the wall for support like was done in Arabia for centuries) or people to be made to sit on Turkish-divan type couches with their legs out. Im sittng in a very comfortable computer chair right now for instance, but my legs aren't propped up.

Bobmer,

I do agree with you about how Industrialized nations (and capitalism in general) puts the incentives in the selling of foodstuffs to incorporate the cheapest ingredients and the usage of nutritionless-additives to make the food somewhat addictive (caffeine, etc.) and tasty. In discussing the film "Supersize-me", the narrator went over all the additives in McDonalds' foods that set off "happy triggers" in the brain on an interview with him on NBC's the "Today Show" about a year or so back. I remember it and was impressed with how much he'd researched just what goes in McDonalds foodstuffs. They sure can make a tasty burger and coke though. I even admit the stuff tastes good. I honestly enjoy a good iced-down coke when Im really thirsty over about anything else on earth with the possible exception of blueberry juice or a couple of the new Gatorade flavors. And I of all people know coke is bad for you.........they are good at what they do aren't they? I mean fuckk, A FRESH Wendy's hamburger (preferably the double with cheese) bought right after they made it at lunch hour and a coke is about as good to me as an expensive dinner at some sit-down franchise eatery. Its a shame, but thats the truth.

 

[bobmer]

Is the chair an adverse environmental condition? Thus far, yes for varicose veins. The next questions are: Is it just variconse veins?
So how long can one occupy a chair before it becomes adverse?


I'm not saying that a gene is responsible - i'm merely stating that varicose veins is hereditary. Estrogen, the potion that keeps women protected from diseases men are more prone to, is being blamed for varicose veins. Guess by who. Testosterone is what protects men from varicose veins is being blamed for hair loss. Guess again by who. Answer is by people who are capable of synthesizing these chemicals.

I want to get some inputs on how bad or not bad a chair can be since it was never a part of our immediate environment for millions of years. We used to sit on the ground on our butts. This prevents varicose veins because the legs are raised higher than the butt or hips.

Guess what else is raised...

 

[michael barry]

Bobmer,

sit in a chair foran hour and take the tempreture of your scalp, and then sit with your legs raised on something as high as the chair you are in and take the tempature of your scalp again.

If there is a difference, report it to us. Take a tempreture in the vertex and the top and front if you can. It would be interesting......

First test of your idea.

 

[bobmer]

sit in a chair foran hour and take the tempreture of your scalp, and then sit with your legs raised on something as high as the chair you are in and take the tempature of your scalp again.

If there is a difference, report it to us. Take a tempreture in the vertex and the top and front if you can. It would be interesting......

Well, we know that the forehead and frontal vertex is has the highest temperature outside the body and almost equals internal temperature. We also know that the blood vessels anastemose the scalp just like elephant ears. The purpose it seems is a heat exchanger at least in elephants.

Is it possible that the higher temperature causes follicle sensitivity to biochemicals?

 

[michael barry]

PO2 levels in balding scalp are lower than in hirisute scalp. Im guessing that if you are getting better blood flow while sitting your way, the scalp should be warmer.


I dont put any faith in the "warm scalp" equates with baldness stuff. Lots of people from very hot parts of the world, who are hot most of their lives, have nice hair. And then againd a few of them bald. Ive seen bald bushmen in Africa too. So I dont believe being from a warm place or having a warm head most of your days will make you bald. It would be an interesting experiment for you to run Bobmer.


If one comes up with a theory, they need to test it. Readers of the site cant test it by just "agreeing" or disagreeing with it.


If you think that the way modern man sits is a huge contributer to increased baldness. ...................if you buy some furniture that allows you to sit your way, you can take before pictures NOW, and in one years time take pictures agan.............while using no internals or topicals. We can see if you get some thickness and regrowth in that time. You can post your results in the GourmetStyleWellness photo library.

 

[bobmer]

Im guessing that if you are getting better blood flow while sitting your way, the scalp should be warmer.

I see. Because of its close proximity to the 'thinking' brain, would an increase in brain metabolism make it even warmer as a heat exchanger?

 

[michael barry]

in the etiology of male pattern baldness, its been noted that the microcpaillaries at the uppermost levels of the scalp that feed hair follicles degenerate over time. Since there is less blood flow at this high level, there is less hemoglobin bringing oxygen. Most believe superoxides sent by the immune system is what damages the microcapillaries over time.


Like I said, the only way to test your theory is for you to take pictures ASAP, and sit the way you describe for a full year and compare.

 

[So]

Bomber,

Guess who this, guess who that.

This guessing game is really farking annoying. Give me some hard explanations by why it is you think that the "chair" may be contributing to our problem.

Not a one liner either. I want mechanics!

Put your book down for a moment and talk straight bro.

I myself am writing a book, two in fact, one of which on this very topic, but you don't see me talking in riddles.

 

[Bryan]

Well, we know that the forehead and frontal vertex is has the highest temperature outside the body and almost equals internal temperature. We also know that the blood vessels anastemose the scalp just like elephant ears. The purpose it seems is a heat exchanger at least in elephants.

Is it possible that the higher temperature causes follicle sensitivity to biochemicals?

Once again I remind everybody of that study on "Beards, Baldness, and Sweat Secretion" (I may be off a little in that exact title) that Stephen Foote likes to talk about. It suggests that balding evolved in certain primates as a means of providing more cooling for the brain. I'm generally bored by discussions of possible reasons for the evolution of balding, but that theory seems as plausible as any other I've seen.

Bryan

 

[bobmer]

This guessing game is really farking annoying. Give me some hard explanations by why it is you think that the "chair" may be contributing to our problem.

There is a finding that: ‘the incidence and the severity of pattern hair loss tend to be highest among White men (Caucasian or Westerners), second highest in Asians and African Americans, and lowest in Native Americans and Eskimos’ (15).

Tell me if this has a bearing:
• pattern hair loss is highest among races that adopted the lifestyle necessitated by environments in commercial and industrial settings.
• The increase in incidences of pattern hair loss correlates with increase in commercial and industrial activity;
• As NON-Western civilizations catch up with their Western counterparts, particularly in Asia, they tend to lose more hair.
• The impression on hereditary traits will be greater in races who adopted these environment earlier than other races.

If you think that i'm implying that avoiding a chair will prevent hair loss, that is a mistake. It will not. I'm merely trying to add to the very simplistic-two-factor-highly-theoritical androgenetics. What I'm saying that the mechanism that causes male pattern baldness is much larger than pharmaceuticals would want us to believe.

My problem with most people is the silver-bullet mentality. It WON'T apply in many degenerative, progressive disorders or diseases particularly not male pattern baldness because it corralates with numerous diseases making it a symptom.

 

[So]

Ok Bomber, that's better.

Now that you have formulated this theory, be it plausible, or whatever., what do you suggest here after?

Of course if we have evolved this way over a period of time (in all of human history) with the advent of industrialized and commercial industry, a logical solution would be step away from this life style form factor and to live a much more holistic life with out the associated stressors of daily industrialized life.

The problem here in lays with the fact that life today is far to dependent on commercial and industrialized methodologies for survival that trying to go "against the grain" so to speak is not only difficult, but extremely time consuming and thus the sedentary life styles that many people live today provides no long lasting desire to "change" especially when being "lazy" is so damn easy.

My understanding would be that IF we have evolved this way because of our environment in commercial and industrial settings, there must be a good reason why.

We don't evolve to the point of losing our hair for no reason. Male pattern baldness is either,

A) Beneficial to us for some unbeknown reason.
B) A physical sign (alert and or alarm) for an underlying health issue.

Cells read their environments (internally and externally) and adapt accordingly, instructing and reading suitable genetic information accordingly and in some cases making modifications (re-writing) information to suit future evolution.

 

[bobmer]

asdf

 

[porajj]

So what about all of the balding apes out there? Where are their chairs?

Besides, when I was younger and even now, I almost always put my feet up on a computer desk at home or in private-- its just more comfortable for some reason. If this chair theory was true, then i shouldnt be balding right now. And what about all of those 350 pound 35 year old chronic WoW players who have oodles of hair?

This theory seems as relevant as ones claiming that smog and pollutants in the water cause hairloss. They probably could by activating genes that normally wouldnt be activated, but that doesnt account for the hereditary features which have existed in our families even before the industrial revolution.


And then, what about the balding apes?

 

[bobmer]

So what about all of the balding apes out there? Where are their chairs?

Besides, when I was younger and even now, I almost always put my feet up on a computer desk at home or in private-- its just more comfortable for some reason. If this chair theory was true, then i shouldnt be balding right now. And what about all of those 350 pound 35 year old chronic WoW players who have oodles of hair?

And then, what about the balding apes?

You see what I mean? My problem is the silver-bullet mentality of most people. The causes of male pattern baldness is believed by many to multi-factorial which is why some treatments work on others and don't on others. I NEVER said chair can cause hair loss. I'm suspecting that it CONTRIBUTES. 'They' try to zero in on a treatment that will be effective for most but sad to say it isn't happening.

This thread, if i'm not lost, is about research, discussion, theories and possibilities. Be prepared to shoot down someone else's theory and defend your own. But please do not argue with simple logic. You have to follow a long trail of cause and effect to arrive at the root cause of your hair loss.

 

[So]

The chair could be a contributing factor, but only one of a possible many.

Bomber,

Elaborate again for me why the chair may contribute. Seriously, maybe I do not understand the mechanics of how the chair is linked to the process of male pattern baldness.

Are you merely saying that a sedentary life style is a contributing factor? Because now more than ever, we as people, do very little physical exercise, especially that of cardiovascular exercise compared to many moons ago.

 

[hair today gone tomorrow]

The chair could be a contributing factor, but only one of a possible many.

Bomber,

Elaborate again for me why the chair may contribute. Seriously, maybe I do not understand the mechanics of how the chair is linked to the process of male pattern baldness.

Are you merely saying that a sedentary life style is a contributing factor? Because now more than ever, we as people, do very little physical exercise, especially that of cardiovascular exercise compared to many moons ago.

Why do soccer players bald then?

 

[bobmer]

easdfadf

 

[So]

keep going...

 

[bobmer]

So, Go to this thread: Has Anyone Questioned Androgenetic Factors

I made this mistake of opening another thread. I will only open that thread from here on.