Where does eating a decent diet and trying to be healthy intersect with becoming a treatment that will alter the natural course of male pattern baldness? Its pretty obviously genetics and with the amount of research we have today androgens are a major one also. You will never make a big enough difference in androgen levels with diet to make a noticeable difference with your hair. Companies have screened and tested natural compounds and its pretty certain with the money involved if something like eating apples cured male pattern baldness we would know by now.
Any way of increasing our SHBG (SexHormone-binding Globulin)
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abcdefg said:
Try eating nothing but oatmeal and see how your androgens levels react.
Now I know this isn't practical nor would it be conducive to overall health, but I'm just trying to make a point that diet can have a major influence on hormone levels.
Genetics are based on what your ancestors ate, how they lived, and where they lived. Not all your ancestors ate the same thing and lived the same way so you have MANY genes. What people tend to not understand is that just because you have a gene, doesn't mean it's going to be active. Diet and the way you live is a HUGE factor in determining which genes your body chooses to use.
There was a video on one of the news sites that examined why people in Okinawa were healthy well into extreme old age (100). The video compared different generations of Okinawans. The oldest generation, the centurians, ate the traditional Okinawan diet which is low in fat, sugar, and sodium while the subsequent middle aged generations ate a much more western diet (high fat, sugar, and sodium). The younger generations had a very high risk for developing heart disease (amongst a multitude of other diseases) despite having no family history of it.
I think male pattern baldness is the same way. If you have a strong family histor of male pattern baldness, that doesn't mean you are most definetly going to go bald. What it does mean is that if you eat a similar diet and live a similar lifestyle to your family/ancestors, then you have an excellent chance of balding.
follicle84
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I have had a sweet tooth all my life. If what i'm hearing is true. It may explain why im balding faster than my dad. What's more interesting is that my head itches after eating a fry up. I personally believe if you have the baldness gene your going to go bald no matter what. However i do believe what you eat can influence how fast this happens. I've heard some where too much sugar and fat can aggravate the hormones responsible for balding.
follicle84 said:
Wrong. Almost the entire human population, male and female, carries the gene(s) for Androgenetic Alopecia. According to you, nearly every caucasian woman should be bald since they have the gene(s). Obviously this isn't the case and the reason is because they produce large quantities of estrogen and small amounts of androgens. Hormones turn genes on and off and diet plays a significant role in the amount of hormones produced. Without sufficient concentrations of male hormones in the hair follicles, Androgenetic Alopecia can't and won't occur.
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baller234 said:
BINGO!
wesleyBelgium
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intresting...
but say : if you degrade the androgenic receptors on you head, by applying say : a double dose asc-j9 ....
and it goes systematic....
would the lower performance in your body of the receptors have any effect on your hormone production....
just like if you lower your dht , the testo goes up....
so if the receptors cant get sufficient androgens, would the body boost again the androgenproduction , to compensate for the low intake of the hormones at the receptors...
sorry if i didnt use the correct post
but say : if you degrade the androgenic receptors on you head, by applying say : a double dose asc-j9 ....
and it goes systematic....
would the lower performance in your body of the receptors have any effect on your hormone production....
just like if you lower your dht , the testo goes up....
so if the receptors cant get sufficient androgens, would the body boost again the androgenproduction , to compensate for the low intake of the hormones at the receptors...
sorry if i didnt use the correct post
Hoppi
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wesleyBelgium said:
Great post, I'm so glad people are looking at this from different angles and being scientific and imaginative! This is exactly how problems are solved
I'm afraid though, with regards to this PARTICULAR query, I don't truly know, I wonder if anyone does because it's an interesting one, it really does seem to be all about controlling the follicles tendency to accumulate DHT (or SHBG-bound DHT if you follow misterE's way of thinking! hehe
)But yeah my head has been buzzing this morning with thoughts and plans for myself, I am simply determined to correct my hormonal balance
Of course, like I say I will also take something like Saw Palmetto to knock down my DHT, but that is a short term fix, the long term fix is in lifestyle!
(the hippy in me really is shining now xD )
Nashville Hairline
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I asked this on another board and didn't get an answer but can someone here find even ONE person who reversed their male pattern baldness by changing their diet?
I'd love to believe its true, but I'm not seeing the evidence, just some good theory.
I'd love to believe its true, but I'm not seeing the evidence, just some good theory.
Nashville Hairline said:
You're being very vague. What do you mean by diet? A diet of what? If you ate nothing but soy, pomegranate, and pueraria mirifica, I'm sure you would regrow a lot of hair that was loss from male pattern baldness.
Eating a diet that consists of vegetables, whole grains, and lean meats (I don't agree with mistere about restricting protein) and is very low in sugar, sodium, fat, and cholesterol, is not going to reverse male pattern baldness once the gene has already been turned on. What it will do, is prevent the gene from being activated. A diet rich in fat and cholesterol causes more hormones to be produced.
So making feasible dietary changes (lowering fat, cholesterol, sugar, and sodium intake and increasing fruits, vegetables, whole grains, and moderate amounts of lean meat) will slow down the process due to a decrease in sex hormone production. To what degree is determined by the number of androgen receptors a person has in their hair follicles and how sensitive they are to androgens. THIS is what is predominantly determined by genetics (although I suspect that estrogen exposure decreases both the number of anrogen receptors and their sensitivity).
This talks about BPH being influenced by diet and lifestyle.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2004 ... dinalpos=2
Nashville Hairline
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See, thats what I'm talking about ..where are these people getting regrowth that are on diets of soy, pomegranate, and pueraria mirifica? On what basis are you sure there'd be regrowth?baller234 said:
follicle84
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follicle84 wrote:
I personally believe if you have the baldness gene your going to go bald no matter what.
Its obvious i meant men sheesh! You took that out of context.
I personally believe if you have the baldness gene your going to go bald no matter what.
Its obvious i meant men sheesh! You took that out of context.
Nashville Hairline said:
Well pomegranate mimicks estrone and pueraria mirifica strong mimicks estriol. Soy is also estrogenic though not as potent as the other two. Eating only the above in moderate to large amounts would be the same as taking estrogen (especially pueraria mirifica). Transgenders in Thialand use large doses of pueraria mirifica to change genders.
follicle84 said:
Castrated men won't go bald despite having the genes for it. So just because you have the gene doesn't mean you are going to bald. It takes x concentration of androgens in the hair follicles to start the Androgenetic Alopecia process. If this threshold is never met, there will be no Androgenetic Alopecia.
follicle84
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Apparently so but you wouldnt be entirelly man then so that doesnt technically count. Its androgens like DHT that gives us our masculine characteristics and makes us go bald depending on our scalp hairs sensitivity to it and level of of it present in the scalp and our age. The sensitivity to androgens like dht is genetic and varies hence why some men bald and some never. Furthermore its androgens like DHT that protect against the feminizing effects of estrogen that would otherwise give us female breasts (gynocomastia).
Castration means cutting out a lot of testosterone (not all because the adrenal glands still produce testosterone just not nearly as much as the gonads) that would otherwise be partially converted to dht. You would have little protection against estrogens feminizing effects despite halting hairloss.
However with testosterone levels lowered so much i can only speculate that estrogen is also lowered since the pituarty gland in the brain usually has way of balancing out hormones meaning the risk of gyno although possible would not be that great. I doubt many men will go to this length to stop hairloss.
Castration means cutting out a lot of testosterone (not all because the adrenal glands still produce testosterone just not nearly as much as the gonads) that would otherwise be partially converted to dht. You would have little protection against estrogens feminizing effects despite halting hairloss.
However with testosterone levels lowered so much i can only speculate that estrogen is also lowered since the pituarty gland in the brain usually has way of balancing out hormones meaning the risk of gyno although possible would not be that great. I doubt many men will go to this length to stop hairloss.
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A vegan diet low in fat and protein, high in fiber and complex carbs, will restore hormonal balance, but D.H.T. and estradiol will still be bound to S.H.B.G. So the trick is to displace D.H.T. and estradiol from S.H.B.G.
The way you do that is with beta-sitosterol and ketocoazole shampoo.
The way you do that is with beta-sitosterol and ketocoazole shampoo.
misterE I know you are trying to decrease DHT and estradiol while raising testosterone but do you believe that at the follicular level estrogen is beneficial for hair follicles and protective agaiasnt Androgenetic Alopecia? It's been well demonstrated that estrogen is protective of scalp hair follicles while having the opposite effect on body hair.
follicle84
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seaback said:
Hey he's just playing it safe, nothing wrong with that seaback. Granted best results are from drugs. The natural approach is the only approach for some people even if it isnt as effective.
Here's a study of saw palmetto combined with other herbal treatments like Alphastat or beta sisterol.
viewtopic.php?f=23&t=52236
http://www.jissn.com/content/5/1/12
http://hairregrowth.blogspot.com/
The sawpalmetto game isnt complete hogwash when combined with other things according to the study found in the link.
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follicle84 said:
Yeah I mean to be honest I am a bit baffled as to why people have a theory that taking beta-Sitosterol is so amazingly different to the Finasteride they talk about so much. They both inhibit the same enzyme, at the very, very least.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baldness_t ... _Treatment
I don't understand people's apparent like, bafflement that similar substances exist in nature... why on earth wouldn't they? You think Finasteride is made of magic? lol