ANYTHING??? For "Hairline"

[jackjones]

Hey guys, does anything work for the hairline???, Ive been using dutasteride 2.5 years, minoxidil, nizoral and spironolactone,, does minoxidil ruin the hairline?? since ive been using it again , (off it for 2 years started using it 3 months ago ) my hairline seems thinner! ( well is thinner), please god this is just a shed but hmmm doubt it, I use spironolactone 5% on hairline two ,been using that for 3 months also,
Does anyone know if these products work on the hairline?? or does anything!!
cheers

 

[Hoppi]

You might need something with a bit of an extra kick like spectral DNC or xandrox with retin-a.

Or possibly even spectral DNC-L but I don't know much about that stuff.

Oh, and something like copper peptides will help with the fibrosis, so that might be a clever move too

 

[billythekid]

what type of minoxidil are you using?

if applicable, switch over from foam to the liquid and see what happens.

 

[jackjones]

Thanks guys Il look into spectral!,
Im using the liqiud at the mo, gonna switch to the foam cause the itch wont go using the liquid!

 

[jackjones]

"Bump"

guys a few months ago my hairline was ok, so much so that I was kinda getting away kinda with balding (been losing my hair for 6.5years) im 6ft so first bit of hair anyone sees is hairline,

since re-starting on rogaine liquid 5% and spironolactone 5% and nizoral, 3 months ago things were going ok, now in the past 3 weeks a LOT of hairline has fallen out im also on dutasteride a few years, is this a shed????? 3 months in? what f*cking product is making it worse??? there supposed to f*cking save hair not make it fall out, what do I do do I stop rogaine and spironolactone on my hairline? do I risk that?, or could it be the nizoral?
please :dunno: Any suggestions greatly appreciated!!!

 

[Hoppi]

I dunno man, if it were me I'd go for Spectral DNC, Regenepure DR, spironolactone, something a bit more general like Revivogen or Hair Regain (still trying to work out if that stuff is good, but the ingredients DO look good!) and then yeah spironolactone, and even the mildest of finasteride doses will make a difference. Even if you took 0.25mg of finasteride every 3 days, it WOULD make a difference.

Also man if you really care about your hair, IMO I think people need to start getting blood tests... insulin, blood sugar, thyroid hormones, sex hormones, adrenal hormones, primarily.

As much as people on here like to deny it, if your cortisol or insulin is high you will push down your T and lift your E, and this DOES seem to upregulate DHT production. Sorry duuuudes ._.

And if your thyroid is out-of-whack, that throws EVERYTHING out, so that's a good check (plus I think insulin and cortisol chuck the thyroid off too). However, if you've never really felt that stressed then you might not need to check cortisol and that.

 

[jackjones]

Cheers Hoppi
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"Also man if you really care about your hair, IMO I think people need to start getting blood tests... insulin, blood sugar, thyroid hormones, sex hormones, adrenal hormones, primarily."
yeah I reckon this to be true, there are other factors at work!, I have heard a lot about thyroid hormones too!

 

[Bryan]

As much as people on here like to deny it, if your cortisol or insulin is high you will push down your T and lift your E, and this DOES seem to upregulate DHT production. Sorry duuuudes ._.

Tell us very specifically how you think those things affect DHT! If you inject testosterone into your body, do you think DHT would go up or down? Which one?

If you inject estrogen into your body, do you think DHT would go up or down? Which one?

I await your answers to those questions.

 

[Hoppi]

To be totally fair I was siding with the dudes who said this even before I saw this study, but now I am practically certain! I truly would love to see this replicated a few more times, I think it's absolutely wonderful news, and makes brilliant sense

"Decline of plasma 5alpha-dihydrotestosterone (DHT) levels upon testosterone administration to elderly men with subnormal plasma testosterone and high DHT levels.

Gooren LJ, Saad F, Haide A, Yassin A.
Vrije Universiteit Medical Center, Amsterdam, The Netherlands. [email protected]


Abstract
The study was performed to measure the impact of testosterone (T) administration on circulating levels of 5alpha-dihydrotestosterone (DHT). Group 1 (32 men; mean age 61 years; mean T 6.9 +/- 1.9 nmol l(-1)) were treated for 15 months with long-acting T undecanoate. Group 2 (23 men, mean age 60 years, mean T 7.6 +/- 2.0 nmol l(-1)) were treated for 9 months with T gel. Plasma T and DHT were measured before and after 9 months T administration. In the men treated with T undecanoate plasma T and DHT were also measured after 12 and 15 months. Before T administration, plasma DHT ranged from 0.39 to 1.76 nmol l(-1) (0.30-1.90 nmol l(-1)). Mean DHT declined upon T administration from 0.95 +/- 0.50 to 0.55 +/- 0.30 nmol l(-1) (P < 0.05). With an arbitrary cut-off at 0.60 nmol l(-1), all 21 values of DHT > 0.60 nmol l(-1) had fallen from 1.29 +/- 0.50 to 0.70 +/- 0.60 nmol l(-1) (P < 0.01). Below this cut-off point 13 values rose and 21 fell upon T administration. Below this cut-off point values on average declined from 0.39 +/- 0.12 to 0.30 +/- 0.14 nmol l(-1) (P < 0.05). The study revealed that in a cohort of elderly men with subnormal plasma T levels plasma DHT levels declined upon T administration when they were in the higher range of normal (>0.6 nmol l(-1)), with a profound shift of DHT/T ratios presumed to be an indicator of a reduced 5alpha-reductase activity. Below plasma DHT levels of 0.6 nmol l(-1),."

Let's hope it gets further confirmation! ^_^


Oh, so yeah IMO erm.. it is complicated to be honest.. I would imagine the trick is to raise T and lower E. So testosterone is at a healthy, good level, and estrogen is low, but again at a healthy level for a male. I don't know if it's the falling T or lifting E that triggers more DHT, I thought it was the E but this study implies otherwise.

 

[Bryan]

To be totally fair I was siding with the dudes who said this even before I saw this study, but now I am practically certain! I truly would love to see this replicated a few more times, I think it's absolutely wonderful news, and makes brilliant sense

Let's hope it gets further confirmation! ^_^

You _do_ understand that the unexpected results occurred only in a specific cohort of their test subjects and not the whole group, right? "The study revealed that in a cohort of elderly men with subnormal plasma T levels plasma DHT levels declined upon T administration when they were in the higher range of normal (>0.6 nmol l(-1))..."

Oh, so yeah IMO erm.. it is complicated to be honest.. I would imagine the trick is to raise T and lower E. So testosterone is at a healthy, good level, and estrogen is low, but again at a healthy level for a male. I don't know if it's the falling T or lifting E that triggers more DHT, I thought it was the E but this study implies otherwise.

How do you explain the fact that lowering estrogen with an aromatase inhibitor raises both testosterone and DHT?