Are copper peptides worth trying? THIS FORUM IS SUPAR AWSAM

[KeepTheHair]

It should be called: Minoxidil, and things that probably don't work.


lol


In all seriousness...do we have anything that works besides minoxidil? I know retin-a might grow some hair in some people... Anything else? I really don't believe in copper peptides...

What do we have that works? Besides minoxidil I mean.

I really want to try something extra(as always) but I don't see anything that has any real proof of working besides retin-a.

 

[KeepTheHair]

Re: This forum is a joke.

Is tricomin worth a try? I really haven't heard anything good about it?


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[GeminiX]

Re: This forum is a joke.

There are many success stories with regimens other than Minoxidil, take a look in the success stories forum.

 

[KeepTheHair]

Re: This forum is a joke.

:dunno:

 

[Cassin]

Re: This forum is a joke.

whats with the bitterness...why are you always so angry and confrontational here? The subject title seems very aggressive.

I understand why you're pissed off at hair loss in general but why do you keep making it personal against the forum. This place is here to help you.

 

[JLL]

Re: This forum is a joke.

Every now and then studies appear showing new hair growth in humans.

For example, right now, soy isoflavones look pretty promising. This one is on mice:

Soy Isoflavones Grow Hair by Increasing IGF-1 in the Skin

Hair follicle number also increased in wild-type mice given isoflavones. Compared to the control group, they had about 40% more hair follicles. The knockout mice had less hair follicles to begin with, and when they were given isoflavones, no improvement was seen. Thus, it seems that isoflavones grow new hairs through increasing dermal levels of CGRP and IGF-1.

But note that it actually grew new hair follicles, in addition to speeding up the regrowth of existing (shaved) hairs.

And, the combination of capsaicin and soy isoflavones was shown to work in both rodents and humans:

Capsaicin and Soy Isoflavones Promote Hair Growth

After 5 months, hair growth was significantly increased in 64.5% of human volunteers administered with capsaicin and isoflavone, compared with 11.8% in the placebo group. Furthermore, 88% of the participants suffering from androgenic alopecia saw a promotion of hair growth when given capsaicin and isoflavone.

You could argue that soy is simply a 5-alpha-reductase inhibitor, but I doubt it -- the small reductions DHT alone wouldn't probably be enough to explain the strong hair growth promoting effect seen in this study and the latest mouse study. I would consider it more like a growth stimulant.

Another rodent study, but Eclipta alba promotes hair growth too.

Conversion from telogen to anagen phase was observed in 87.5% of the mice treated with the stronger methanol extract (3.2 mg/kg) and in 50% of the rats treated with the weaker extract (1.6 mg/kg). This was evidenced by the increased number of follicles in the subcutis layer and a thickening of the skin. The total number of follicles was also increased. None of the control rats showed a similar effect.

Then there's of course Nizoral:

2% Nizoral Shampoo Increases Hair Growth More than 2% Minoxidil

After 6 months of using the treatments, the hair density of the Nizoral group went from 250 to 296 hairs per square centimeter; an increase of of 18%. In the minoxidil group, the increase was 11%, from 276 to 306 hairs. Both ketoconazole and minoxidil increased hair shaft diameter by 7%. Even though the sample size in this second experiment was very small, this looks like a very promising result.

Some kind of green tea creams and gels would probably be effective too.

Green Tea Extract Grows Hair in Vitro, Might Work in Vivo

In cultured hair follicles, the application of a 95% green tea extract more than doubled the length of hair follicles. Hair growth almost tripled. In the cultured skin cells, the extract increased the growth of new cells in a dose-dependent manner.

But, finding the proper products is easier said than done

 

[squeegee]

Re: This forum is a joke.

Are you talking about the whole forum or this growth stimulants section? If you are not happy about this forum why you are still here after almost 300 posts? :thumbdown2: Do you need a hug?

 

[Bryan]

Re: This forum is a joke.

I really don't believe in copper peptides...

Why don't you believe in copper peptides?

 

[yankee]

Re: This forum is a joke.

Is tricomin worth a try? I really haven't heard anything good about it?


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If you don't believe in copper peptides then why would you even consider tricomin?

 

[KeepTheHair]

Re: This forum is a joke.

Wow guys


Guys guys guys



I love these forums and I am very thankful for all the advice I get! I just made the topic title that in hopes of attracting attention. I didn't even mean it is a real joke, obviously...even then I was only referring to the growth section.

I didn't direct anything towards this forum. Just baldness in general. I am sorry if I offended anyone. I am just here to get help and to help people if I can with my limited knowledge. Please don't take anything too harsh from what I have said.



I just said I don't really believe in copper peptides...well just because I haven't heard anyone get success on it really? Does it actually work? Can someone post some studies? Something that can perhaps convince me to buy it. Who is using tricomin? I really want to try something but I just feel I haven't seen enough evidence of someone using THAT product to get results.



Guys, really. I did NOT mean to offend you people. All I meant to say was we don't really have anything besides minoxidil that really works well. Probably though there are things and I am just ignorant, that's why I created the thread so people can be like "wtf loser, here is something, here something else" then I can use those things you know.

Please don't take it so personal, we all love this place!

 

[Cassin]

Re: This forum is a joke.

Look at your thread title and use some common sense man

 

[yankee]

Re: This forum is a joke.

You're confusing dude. You title your topic "This Forum is a Joke" Then act surprised when people take offense. What would anyone expect.

Well, at least you got our attention.

 

[Bryan]

Re: This forum is a joke.

I just said I don't really believe in copper peptides...well just because I haven't heard anyone get success on it really? Does it actually work? Can someone post some studies?

<sigh>

I've already posted a set of studies more than once in the past, and it looks like I'll have to do it one more time...

 

[KeepTheHair]

Re: This forum is a joke.

Right, but those weren't studies that actually used any of the products we have today is it?


I really want to believe in it though and I do somewhat. Do any of you guys use it?

 

[KeepTheHair]

Re: This forum is a joke.

Look at your thread title and use some common sense man

yeah I know. It was a stupid decision. I just wanted to attract some attention to the thread. It worked...but it totally backfire too.

 

[Bryan]

Re: This forum is a joke.

Right, but those weren't studies that actually used any of the products we have today is it?

Not exactly. I do believe that one of the specific copper peptides used in those trials was the same one that's now used in Tricomin. But it wasn't actually Tricomin itself that was used, of course.

 

[Jaeger]

Re: This forum is a joke.

Every now and then studies appear showing new hair growth in humans.

For example, right now, soy isoflavones look pretty promising.

But how much do humans need to achieve the best results? I am currently on Soy Iso but who knows if i am taking enought to make any sort of difference with DHT.

Also i seen Michael barry's post in this thread

viewtopic.php?f=32&t=46360&p=440009&hilit=Curcumin#p440009

and he suggest that we use Soy Iso gel caps in our shampoo based on the study shown but most come in capsules instead of gel caps.

 

[JLL]

Re: This forum is a joke.

Every now and then studies appear showing new hair growth in humans.

For example, right now, soy isoflavones look pretty promising.

But how much do humans need to achieve the best results? I am currently on Soy Iso but who knows if i am taking enought to make any sort of difference with DHT.

75 mg was used in the study on humans.

 

[Mopless]

Is 75mg or more of isoflavones actually available for purchase? I might look into this myself.

Keepthehair > I am using Folligen for my hair in combination with needling. I cannot say if it works, as I've been doing it for a few weeks. But if your looking for science behind peptides, check out http://www.skinbiology.com. They sell folligen, but put up the studies done on their products.

 

[KeepTheHair]

I know there is science behind it..kinda. But I haven't heard from a single person about it helping their hair growth though? I really wish it works though and that I am just being a moron.

I am going to try retin-a in the next few weeks. It probably takes months maybe even over a year for it to do something, I don't know