are more men balding young than 30 years ago?

[CCS]

All the men in my family including both grand parents and an uncle and a hand full of others my mother mentioned had hair lines that started 1/4 inch higher than idea and made it up to 1 inch higher than ideal by age 60. half developed 1-2 inch holes in back by age 60, which started around age 40. That is the old people. As for the younger men, my cousin lost all his hair around 35ish. it got thin in 6 months and he just shaved it and has been doing so a year. my brother lost most of his, going from NW2 to 5 in 6 months. when he told me, when both got on propecia when i was at nw3. he is 2 years older than me. i'm still thin on the runway, so maybe i'm kind of a nw5.

Is it just my family that has this generation gap, or are men everywhere going bald much sooner now?

 

[hairhaircomeagain]

Lately I have noticed a lot of young people arnd 25-26 losing hair.

 

[kalbo]

Well there's speculation that most young people are hitting puberty a lot faster these days b/c of the growth hormones that are put into food we eat. And from observation, it does seem that young guys are becoming sexually active a lot sooner and young girls are developing a lot faster than they used to.

Could very well be possible that these growth hormones are also causing us to lose our hair a lot sooner too.

 

[Thinning]

Its because they jack off more.

 

[stax]

With each generation we are more prone to male pattern baldness, why? I have a theory but its kind hard to explain and there's absolutely no proof to this.


Lets say our great grandfather was the first in the family to lose hair. So he was born with the male pattern baldness gene to some degree. When he has a baby, his cells are already damaged from this male pattern baldness gene, and that passes through the sperm and into the childs DNA. Now the child is more prone to male pattern baldness because he started out with damaged cells or immune system thanks to his father or mother. Just like what you eat at the time can effect your child, i think whats goin on in your body can also effect your child.



Another example of my theory. Lets say your grandfather was the first in the family to start smoking, and never had any problems, when he has a son, the son will be more prone to the negative effects of cigarettes because when his father made him, his cells were damaged because of the smoking, and this passes through the sperm into the childs DNA, so the son is born with these cells damaged and thus more prone to the negative effects of smoking because he wasnt born with a fresh start so to speak.


Its a wacko theory, but it might make some sense. I mean i dont think the food and everything today is causing kids to bald faster, i think its because we are far down the family chain and its gets worse and worse with every generation due to the theory explained above.



I also think that possibly too much masterbation is a factor today aswell. We should not masterbate or have sex for at least 3 months and see how our hair does. Or mabye all that masterbating triggered some effects that we are now suffering from? Who knows. hurry up HM!

 

[Shielded]

Its because they jack off more.

Hahahahahahahhaa. 8)

But yeah, my dad has been losing his hair for like 15-20 years, he is like 47 now and doesn't have too much left. His brothers seem to follow the same pattern. I am only 22 and I am losing my hair way faster than my father is, and my brother is 20 and he is also losing his hair....I think my brother is even worse than me with hair loss, fortunately he just doesn't give a damn.

 

[CCS]

i asked my mother, who memorized many family member stories, and she did not know of any who lost even 1/3 their hair. NW3v was the worst, and half were nw2 at 50. maybe some recessive genes mixed, but all three people in just this generation. it is interesting that my cousin in 12 years older than my brother and I an hit nw4 at age 33, while my brother and I lost ours at the same time, though I got a two year warning from my older brother. had i been living in the same house i would have pointed his crown hole out to him, and i would have attempted to treat mine 6 months sooner.

 

[hellohello]

Watching old footage from wars past, there are still al ot of youngsters with progressive male pattern baldness, but I would say that it has a lot to do with food intake with so many meats being injected with hormones (esp. chicken) that can make people that are susceptible to hormone changes more prone to early onset of diseases.

 

[Guest]

I think it's the way how the male pattern baldness gene is inherited. There is more carriers of that gene in every generation, and that's why more babies will inherit the male pattern baldness gene not only from the other, but both of his/her parents. Dunno if that has got anything to do with the fact that male pattern baldness gene seems to take control earlier than before. The hormones in food thingie that you guys suggested could be true.

 

[wookster]

It seems that more people are also suffering heart disease and diabetes than in the past. There seems to be a connection between these chronic conditions and the increased numbers of people with androgenic alopecia.

:freaked: :freaked: :freaked:

http://www.webmd.com/content/article/17/1671_53193

But in recent years, doctors have been seeing more type 2 diabetes in children due to the rising epidemic of obesity in the U.S.


The study authors say previous research has shown that populations that eat a lot of fish containing omega-3 fatty acids, such as tuna, salmon, and mackerel, have lower rates of type 2 diabetes compared with those who eat less fish. That prompted them to look at the effect of omega-3 fatty acids themselves on how the body uses insulin.


Researchers studied 12 overweight men and women aged 45 to 70 and gave them once-daily supplements containing 1.8 grams of an omega-3 fatty acid known as DHA (docosahexaenoic acid). All of the participants suffered from insulin resistance, a condition in which the body doesn't respond normally to insulin and that often precedes type 2 diabetes.


After 12 weeks, researchers found 70% of the participants showed a decrease in insulin resistance, and in 50% of the patients that change was significant, according to researcher Yvonne Denkins, PhD.


She says the findings are only preliminary. Due to the small number of participants in the study, much more information about the role of fish oil in preventing diabetes is needed before any recommendations can be made.

 

[Felk]

I think so as well.

For one thing, diabetes and insulin resistance is exploding in comparison to the past.

I for one am going to eliminate that as a contributing factor through diet...

 

[lordsam]

diet diet diet gentlemen. An increase in male pattern baldness is due to a few reasons but none more so than the crap diet which is consumed by many of us who live in the worlds wealthy countries.

 

[Johnny24601]

re:

The diet excuse is not valid IMO. My parents generation (I'm in the U.S. and 28) struggled much more then today's children. Nutrition (even in the developed world) has improved to the degree that the average height of U.S. inhabitant increases about 3/4 of an inch per decade. In countries like North Korea, where malnutrition is everywhere, the average height is decreasing at about 1/2 inch per decade. Therefore on the avergae our diets have improved over the years.
Of course our diets have seen an increase in sugers and farm steroid injection in American farm animals has decreased but there is no study, to my knowledge, that has shown that men are balding earlier and without proper scientific study, we will never know.
If you bring up this topic to bunch of balding guys (like us) who tend to notice hairloss more then others, then I would guess that they would think that the rate of baldness is increasing. There is also one important point that people have missed, today's society is far more vain and things like hairloss and body hair are looked at as gross by many people. My point, perhaps the percentage of balding men has not changed, it is just that men and women tend to notice hairloss more today then they did in years past.

 

[Bet24]

Re: re:

then they did in years past.

in the early stages of hairloss, because after nw3 every mortal in this world will notice your hairloss :wink:

 

[CCS]

some believe nutrition increases our height, others believe hormones increase our height. Japanese started growing taller and entering puberty sooner when milk consumption from the US increase, but one could argue they ate other US foods too. We need to look at some countries that eat healthy but don't eat hormone filled food. We also need to look at some countries that get some hormone filled foods, but don't get many vitamins. Unfortunately, since protein consumption is a big part of height, and most domestic protein has hormones, this is hard to separate. Asians eat fish, but do the poor asians eat fish or just rice? And asians who eat fish might also drink milk now.

I'm thinking about just eating canned mackerel, herring, sardines, and anchovies (low mercury, high omega 3, low price) and cutting other meat and milk and eggs out of my diet. This is drastic, though, and I have to make sure I get my riboflavin and other stuff found in dairy. My brother and I drink a lot of milk, and my father does not at all. I used to wish I had eaten more growing up for the height hormones bring.

 

[sublime]

:sobbing:

 

[YoungAndThin]

And asians who eat fish might also drink milk now.

I'm asian myself and have drank milk every since I was born. Could that have kick started my male pattern baldness, I think it is a possibility.

Alot of Asians that I know are lactose-intolerant, and those that aren't don't even like the taste of milk and many other dairy products. I've taken some intro biology courses at college and they showed a video taken from a cattle farm. The amount of growth hormones, antibiotics, genetically modified feed they feed the cows really scares me.

I don't think our diet is the sole cause of our male pattern baldness. But I think if you were genetically programmed to lose your hair at 40, all the crap that is in our food may kickstart male pattern baldness 20 years before it's supposed to happen.

 

[powersam]

man just as i'm gonna simply post "diet diet diet" lordsam beats me to it.

yes we have higher average height but at what cost? heart disease and diabetes. as a child your body can usually take everything you throw at it and convert it into the energy needed for growth etc. but once you've stopped growing all that excess energy from your crap carbohydrate stuffed diet now turns on you as it has nowhere to go. so i'm afraid the height comparison has absolutely no validity in this discussion.

collegechemistrystudent - could you point me to some evidence as to the relation between protein consumption and height? most would argue that a childs growth is mostly caused by available energy, and having the necessary vitamins and minerals. i've not heard that protein plays any special role. oh and i'm all for getting more fish in ones diet, but if you do cut out dairy make sure you're getting calcium from somewhere, maybe canned salmon with the bones? if you know of other non dairy calcium sources (natural) i'd be very interested in your sharing them.

i have no idea about the milk thing, however someone on this forum (i forget who) posted a quite interesting article about how milk would actually lower dht or something similar. i'll try search it out sometime.

felk - regular exercise is probably more important than diet in the fight against diabetes and insulin resistance. unless you live of mcdonalds that is. resistance training has been shown to have a positive effect on insulin sensitivity.

 

[kilimanjaro]

I know a ton of tall vegetarians so I doubt protein leads to height gain. Growth hormones are probably whats causing the gain in height in most countries.

 

[powersam]

why can't the extra height just be because people are eating more food as a child while they grow?

a far more simple and likely explanation than rampant growth hormones. especially seeing as australia has had a similar increase in average height and we do not allow hormones to be used at any point on cattle or poultry. moreover becoming a vegetarian is usually something people choose in adulthood, a long time after they have finished growing so your tall vegetarians arent the best supporting evidence.