Azelaic acid- effective?| Added regimen question as well

[Guest]

Dr Lee sells Xandrox with 5% azelaic acid. For those who have used both it and regular minoxidil, is the azelaic acid formulation more effective?

Also, Dr lee claims that azelaic acid inhibits ~98% of the DHT on the scalp. Is this true?


Let's discuss.

 

[Bryan]

Re: Azelaic acid- effective?

Also, Dr lee claims that azelaic acid inhibits ~98% of the DHT on the scalp. Is this true?

It's unlikely to be true. The evidence is against it.

Bryan

 

[Guest]

Re: Azelaic acid- effective?

Also, Dr lee claims that azelaic acid inhibits ~98% of the DHT on the scalp. Is this true?

It's unlikely to be true. The evidence is against it.

Bryan

Ok thanks Bryan.

So you are saying that I'm better off probably buying generic Minoxidil at Wal-Mart and supplementing with 5% spironolactone if I want to have an aggressive hair loss regimen?

Thanks.

P.S.
I know you are an experienced poster on here who knows a lot about hair loss. What do you think of a regimen like this?

Proscar 1.25 MG, once per day
Generic Minoxidil 5%, 1 mL twice per day
Nizoral 1% shampoo, every 3 days
spironolactone 5% cream, once per day
And possibly 4500 mg of L-Glutamine powder per day.

If I do this regimen will I be doing everything I can possible to keep my hair?

Thanks very much.

 

[Bryan]

Re: Azelaic acid- effective?

So you are saying that I'm better off probably buying generic Minoxidil at Wal-Mart and supplementing with 5% spironolactone if I want to have an aggressive hair loss regimen?

Yes. Probably.

What do you think of a regimen like this?

Proscar 1.25 MG, once per day
Generic Minoxidil 5%, 1 mL twice per day
Nizoral 1% shampoo, every 3 days
spironolactone 5% cream, once per day
And possibly 4500 mg of L-Glutamine powder per day.

If I do this regimen will I be doing everything I can possible to keep my hair?

Looks good, although I'd add a copper-peptide to all that. BTW, what's the reason for the glutamine?

Bryan

 

[Guest]

Re: Azelaic acid- effective?

Looks good, although I'd add a copper-peptide to all that. BTW, what's the reason for the glutamine?

Bryan

Oh I thought the l-glutamine was good at stopping hair loss. I'm probably wrong though. CCS said something about l-arginine bonded to glutamine, which I thought was the same as L-Glutamine.

Could you recommend a good copper peptide for me? I was looking at folligen's stuff for example but i'm not sure whether to buy the cream, spray, etc. or how to use it? I'm looking for the cheapest effective copper peptides because I'm a college student.

Thanks so much,
JayMan

 

[CCS]

bryan, I read that L-form amino acids (at least glutamine) are not absorbed as well as peptide bonded amino acids, so i advised him to get a di-amino acid. i said the glutamine is the best is he works out a lot.

I also want to warn everyone that many companies sell "peptide bonded" or "branch chain amino acids", and EVERY protein, including whey, is a peptide bonded amino acid. So if you want peptide bonded arginine, make sure they say just what amino acids you are getting and the ratio, since all protein is peptide bonded arginine (and every other amino acid, just not in the ratio you want).

 

[CCS]

Like I said in the other post, if azelaic acid inhibited 98% of DHT, it would be a LOT stronger than proscar and the acid alone would be about as strong as daily Avodart.

OF course if you grow cells in a test tube, and put a bunch of acid in there, DHT production will stop. So will other processes.

Did you know gasoline cures AIDS. Drink a liter of gasoline and the AIDS virus will die, after you do.

From what I've heard about Dr Lee, I don't respect him at all.

 

[Bryan]

Re: Azelaic acid- effective?

Could you recommend a good copper peptide for me? I was looking at folligen's stuff for example but i'm not sure whether to buy the cream, spray, etc. or how to use it? I'm looking for the cheapest effective copper peptides because I'm a college student.

Sounds like the liquid version of Folligen (the spray) would be best for you, in that case. Very inexpensive.

Bryan

 

[Bryan]

bryan, I read that L-form amino acids (at least glutamine) are not absorbed as well as peptide bonded amino acids, so i advised him to get a di-amino acid.

What exactly is the rationale for that claim? All "peptide bonded amino acids" will be digested into the individual amino acids anyway, before they can be absorbed.

i said the glutamine is the best is he works out a lot.

I take it you're referring to the use of glutamine as a GH releaser?

Bryan

 

[CCS]

not as a GH releaser. I read that when people work their muscles hard enough, and are very lean and have big muscles, they need to give them a steady supply of protein and fuel to prevent catabolism. I read that body builders should eat some complete protein immediately before and after a workout to give their muscles an optimal recovery. The 8 essiential amino acids are needed, but glutamine is conditionally essential and become essential during these peak fatigue times. This is why many body builders supplement with L-glutamine.

I read that the intestine can also absorb di- and tri- peptides, and that these travel to the cells just fine, whereas glutamine can break down to amonia and glutamic acid easily while in its L-form. Once it is in the cells, it is more stable. Have you heard of this? Is it true? I read estimates that 80% of L glutamine breaks down after absorption before getting to the cells.

I could not find any reports of this about L-arginine, but some people on this site said the same is true of the L-arginine.

 

[momo]

To bryan

Bryan, I know it's not related directly to the subject, but you were mentioning spironolactone and I recently ran into this link http://www.geocities.com/bryan50001/spironolactone.txt, which shows the ineffectiveness of spironolactone, especially the liquid version. Can you shed some light?

 

[Bryan]

The point of that was to show that spironolactone did work, but spironolactone in a cream was more effective than spironolactone in an alcoholic solution.

Bryan

 

[CCS]

momo,

read the report again. and make sure you know how to read the charts. the cream spironolactone worked good, a point you should have got when reading the report.