back to finasteride ?

Sparky4444

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Keep in mind that the fact that a drug can cause an extremely rare reaction doesn't make it unsafe. Peanuts can produce potentially deadly reacting in a small number of people, but do you consider them unsafe and should they be banned?

Ahem...extremely rare reaction??? Give your head a shake pal....This forum is full of posts of guys who have had blatant sides from finasteride...How many people on this forum have a reaction to peanuts compared to how many have had limp dick because of this drug??

And I am not saying ban finasteride -- I am saying every person should pay attention to what is happening to their bodies when on a drug...And that 0.7% is a c***-n-balls propaganda BS number....The systematic action of finasteride on 5-alpha is the same in all men -- it's cut-n-dry science so to say that only 0.7% experience sides??? Complete crap...you can believe whatever you want from something has corrupt as Merck...free country
 

Wuffer

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Northman said:
A way to study the resultant level of depression from finasteride would be to compare balding users of finasteride and balding users of a placebo and comparing their respective levels of depression. Of course, that would have some variability as well, since many of the finasteride users would show some improvement in their hair, and unless you had drug related depression, you would expect to see their levels of depression decrease since hair loss is very likely adding to the depression and reversal of that process would certainly improve an individuals outlook.

There are quite a few controlled studies involving these parameters, and I haven't seen any that showed reports of depression in any significance over the placebo group. That being said, depression may not always be reported by the individual and usually questionnaires aren't issued to assess these symptoms.

IIRC, the depression warning was added to the label resulting from a study that indicated neurosteroids could be affected by the drug, which may induce depression in susceptible individuals. Other than this one, I haven't seen any controlled studies that specifically look to identify rates of depression and/or anxiety while taking finasteride. One thing from this study that I do agree with is that further research on this would be beneficial.

The closest I've seen is this study:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21806672

This indicates that the overall quality of life is increased while taking finasteride for male pattern baldness.
 
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i bet you are a liar, i bet you are being paid to bash finasteride as much as possible cuz you work for some company who sell snake oil bullcrap,other posters were cught here with the pants down bashing finasteride and advertising ''natural products''
 

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I should just make a quick note to Habeas to state that I did not go and read the study abstract and made my comments based on what had been stated in this thread to that point.

Further, while the update for my previous post seemed to be directed at him, it was actually meant for Sparx4444, I just inadvertently updated my post rather than making a new one.

Now I'm going to go read the abstract.

Ok, having read the abstract, I still fail to see the validity. While it is entirely possible that finasteride was causing depression it still seems more likely to me that the persistent sexual dysfunction was the root there. Did the control group suffer from sexual dysfunction? It doesn't state that in the abstract that I saw. If they did not, you have an additional variable there besides the medication; ie, sexual dysfunction (which could have been caused by the medication, but that does not mean the meds directly caused the resultant depression).

Further, I noted that the control subjects were chosen from a group saying they had no depression/suicidal thoughts, yet when questioned in the survey, a small number admitted to this. I find that odd.

Anyway, like I've said before in another thread. Find yourself an appropriate doctor and consult them if you have concerns and doubts. Reading something on the Internet from a source you do not know does not make it true.
 

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Im betting he is an attorney seeking to help people get damages via the many Propecia Lawsuits.

Read his above post and picture an attorney behind a desk. Do you disagree?

As a result, I am making an executive decision to remove him from the forums today. Permanently.

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Wuffer

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Habeas admitted that he wasn't experiencing any form of hair loss and had never taken finasteride. It's pretty unusual that he would spend so much of his time persistently attacking it (not to mention legitimate members of this forum) with no apparent motivation to do so. He never tried to sell anything, but all he did was push misinformation and tried to convince everyone they would end up with all these horrible symptoms. It is certainly reasonable to consider that he was financially motivated. At the very least, he was disruptive, rude, and not helpful to members seeking objective advice. He made an attempt to make amends, but I think it was too little too late, especially when you take a look through his posting history.






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Ahem...extremely rare reaction??? Give your head a shake pal....This forum is full of posts of guys who have had blatant sides from finasteride...How many people on this forum have a reaction to peanuts compared to how many have had limp dick because of this drug??

That example is entirely inconsequential to the analogy I made. That's the same as posting "how many people on this forum have had side effects from finasteride compared to a peanut reaction?" on an allergy forum!

The intent of that analogy was to illustrate that anything we ingest - even seemingly innocuous substances such as peanuts - have the potential to be extremely dangerous to a small minority.


And I am not saying ban finasteride -- I am saying every person should pay attention to what is happening to their bodies when on a drug...And that 0.7% is a c***-n-balls propaganda BS number....The systematic action of finasteride on 5-alpha is the same in all men -- it's cut-n-dry science so to say that only 0.7% experience sides??? Complete crap...you can believe whatever you want from something has corrupt as Merck...free country

Yes, science is actually fairly cut-and-dry, or at least that is the goal. Clinical trials are conducted so that they eliminate as many of the biases and randomness that exist in the real world as possible so that useful data can be obtained. Of course it's not always perfect, and studies aren't ever 100% accurate. That's why repeatability is important. Studies conducted on finasteride consistently and repeatably show roughly the same incidence rates for side effects.

The study I posted was not conducted by Merck, but by a university. You should maybe take a look at it. Merck doesn't have any interest in conducting further trials on finasteride since FDA approval has already been obtained twice. If they choose to pursue a third indication, then we might see more studies from them, but otherwise it's a waste of money for them.

However, science and studies don't mean much if you are of the mind that there is some sort of massive worldwide pharmaceutical conspiracy going on where they somehow manipulate the findings in every study done on their drugs worldwide. Correct me if i'm wrong, but this seems to be where you are headed.
 
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