been videochatting today with... makeup

[Petchsky]

It's an interesting debate. Ori is not wrong, nor is SAF, in fact you're both right. in any case there's a woman out there for us all, and since women are not just one homogenous being, you will get some that like well maniculed men and others that prefer the more obviously masculine men, the two are not mutually exclusive.

The thing that gets me about women is that they contridict themselves all the time, and can mean yes when they say no, and vice versa.

Looking at the issue of men spending lots of time sprucing themselves up from a female perspective, you'll find that women don't like vain men, as they associate vanity with selfishness and self absorption. For example,

It's said that Charlotte Church (Welsh singer) ended her relationship with Gavin Henson (rugby player) because he spent two hours getting ready every night before going out, he had more products than her, and would shave his body hair, apply fake tan, do his hair for ages etc... Now this is what women don;t like, because if you're spending so long on yourself, where's the love for her?

On the other hand, here's the contridiction, women like men to be masculine but well groomed, and wince at the sight of back or shoulder hair, so to me it's about striking a balance.

 

[superfrankie]

The thing that gets me about women is that they contridict themselves all the time, and can mean yes when they say no, and vice versa.

this is women in a nutshell. Simple and straight communication is not their best side.

Looking at the issue of men spending lots of time sprucing themselves up from a female perspective, you'll find that women don't like vain men, as they associate vanity with selfishness and self absorption.

...something they are exceptionally well at being themselves.

 

[s.a.f]

Looking at the issue of men spending lots of time sprucing themselves up from a female perspective, you'll find that women don't like vain men, as they associate vanity with selfishness and self absorption.

This is my point not just that but going to lengths to change/hide your supposed imperfections also screams "I'm insecure, I'm worried that my natural self is'nt good enough. Any strong confident man should be able to face the world with abit of bodyhair or pale/blotchy skin. Think of it from a womans point of view if a man worries about such minor things how would he cope in life he had to deal with a real problem.

It's said that Charlotte Church (Welsh singer) ended her relationship with Gavin Henson (rugby player) because he spent two hours getting ready every night before going out, he had more products than her, and would shave his body hair, apply fake tan, do his hair for ages etc... Now this is what women don;t like, because if you're spending so long on yourself, where's the love for her?

On the other hand, here's the contridiction, women like men to be masculine but well groomed, and wince at the sight of back or shoulder hair, so to me it's about striking a balance.

I dont think they wince at the sight of abit of bodyhair, if they did none of the guys I work with would be married in their 20's/30's). Do any of you guys 'wince' at the sight of your girlfreind without make up on?
As long as a man keeps himself clean and tidy thats all they require, anything else wont make enough of a difference anyway. No amount of moisturiser, waxing or fake tan will make any significant difference to change a girls mind from not attractive to attractive.
Seems to me that overinsecurity is rife on this site.

 

[s.a.f]

It's also not like you discuss everything you do to yourself with women. If you put a skin care product on your skin and she says wow you have got really nice skin, you dont have to go 'yeah i'm exfoliating and using expensive creames everyday'. If she compliments on your clothes you dont have to go 'yeah I love shopping, I cant stand to wear the same outfit more than once a week'. If she compliments you on your body you dont have to go 'yeah I am obsessed with my weight'. You just say thanks. These are extreme examples but my points is, taking care of yourself, even in a 'queer eye for the straight guy' manner doesn't neccesarily mean that you have to be gay about it.

George Clooney has had several botox injections in his face but I don't think it'll mean the end of poon for him.

The start of this debate was about wether it should be ok for a guy to get a hair transplant without the stigma, I'm totally aware that guys are doing these things but what I'm saying is it does'nt look good to a woman to be doing it openly.

Women like men to a good tan - naturally not because they're applying fake tan to alter their skin.

Women like guys with little bodyhair (ie not a hairybacked gorrilla) but not a guy with zero bodyhair because he waxes it like they do.

Women like men be in good shape - From a healthy lifestyle such as playing a competitive sport not because they have a nagging insecurity that their bodies are'nt good enough to attract women.

Did you know that more women than men went to see movies like Gladiator and Mad Max? Women actually prefer those type of leading men than any of the George Clooney, Hugh Grant chick flicks.

 

[Ori83]

The thing that gets me about women is that they contridict themselves all the time, and can mean yes when they say no, and vice versa.

you do those things for yourself, not for anyone else, on the same note, be aware that good looking women DO WANT their man to take care for his looks and all that crap.

The man you describe sounds like CCS.

there is nothing wrong with what CCS does, in my eyes he actually does the right thing (his perspective about women is a whole other story) taking care and fixing what he wants in his body. bashing on him for this, only demonstrates the insecurities of the "basher" (just like the bullies in school).

And I'd expect some masculine guy would be more likely to give a good pounding than some queer eye for the straight guy enthusiast.

you should pay more attention to p**rn movies....

 

[Ori83]

ill make my point clear here, because i lost track.

A) you take care for yourself to feel better about yourself!
B) if you dont care how you look, its perfectly fine by me and the rest of the world, just dont expect to pull top 10's
C) EVERYTHING in life that you take to the extreme (grooming included obviously) is not healthy, Petchsky said it better, its all about balance.

i think thats sums it pretty much .

 

[s.a.f]

ill make my point clear here, because i lost track.

A) you take care for yourself to feel better about yourself!
B) if you dont care how you look, its perfectly fine by me and the rest of the world, just dont expect to pull top 10's
C) EVERYTHING in life that you take to the extreme (grooming included obviously) is not healthy, Petchsky said it better, its all about balance.

i think thats sums it pretty much .

A) You think guys like CCS are working on their 6 pks and getting lazer hair removal for any reason other than to improve their appearance in the (desparate) hope of attracting women.

B) So any guy who does'nt apply moisturisers and fake tan wax his bodyhair ect = Does'nt care about how he looks.

C) I'd agree but if you cant live with a little bit of bodyhair and your own natural skin.

I totallyadmit to my own insecurity about hair, I dont make excuses for it. But being bald has a big impact on your appearance a little bodyhair and pale skin is a problem even I could handle.

 

[Sebastien]

You just said it yourself, hairloss makes a big impact on your appearance and that is why that if you get a hair tattoo you can (from my point of view) openly come out for it since it's no minor 'queer' change and nothing to be embarrased of.

Maybe it's an agree to disagree manner.

 

[s.a.f]

You just said it yourself, hairloss makes a big impact on your appearance and that is why that if you get a hair tattoo you can (from my point of view) openly come out for it since it's no minor 'queer' change and nothing to be embarrased of.

You can if you want but, dont blame me if you're forever known as "that weirdo who tattoo'd hair on his head". :shock:

 

[Petchsky]

I dont think they wince at the sight of abit of bodyhair, if they did none of the guys I work with would be married in their 20's/30's). Do any of you guys 'wince' at the sight of your girlfreind without make up on?
As long as a man keeps himself clean and tidy thats all they require, anything else wont make enough of a difference anyway. No amount of moisturiser, waxing or fake tan will make any significant difference to change a girls mind from not attractive to attractive.
Seems to me that overinsecurity is rife on this site.

I didn't say body hair in general, just shoulder and back hair inparticular. I wouldn't shave my chest or legs even if a girl wanted me too.

The reason I mention shoulder and back hair is that I have a mate who is very hairy, and often wears vests, and I've lots count of the times i've heard women go ewww at his shoulder and back hair. I think too much body is associated with being like a gorrilla.

 

[Petchsky]

The thing that gets me about women is that they contridict themselves all the time, and can mean yes when they say no, and vice versa.

IMO, this is because women think wiith their emotions most of the time - without any common sense to their convictions. One minute they say one thing ... another minute, they say just the opposite. Again, what they say depends on the emotional state they are in when they say it.

Yeah, I couldn't agree more. women are emotional creatures, while men are more logic driven. Sometimes women expect you to read their mind, or can start a silly argument with you, which will really be about something else. If they are angry at you for something, they often will not tell you why they are angry, but pick an argument or be funny with you and distant. Women aye? :dunno:

To the topic at hand: Women need to make themselves look good to attract a mate, and often times, to also boost their ego. Women may sometimes complain, or roll their eyes when they see you staring at them, but if men paid them no attention they would be devastated. Older women complain of feeling invisable as it is.

I think the thread has come full circle now.

 

[superfrankie]

Both dudemon and Petchsky summed it up very well! Nothing more needs to be said about this subject.

 

[CCS]

No girl wants to see their man appling moisturiser or waxing. And not that many men are going to the lengths you described anyway.

wow... you have no idea... the good looking girls do care for those things, very..very.. much my friend! they pay attention to every little detail, from that post its clear to me that either we live on different planets or you don't associate with many girls. (no pun intended)

SAF lives in Europe. I heard French people don't bath much, and their women don't shave their legs. Most likely UK is closer to that than the US is.


SAF does have a point, though he is not spelling it out. Women are not just attracted to how you look. They also care what their kids will look like. So you will do better if you hide the fact that you need to work on your appearance. Take your muscles for example: Whom do you think a woman would rather date: they guy who is naturally ripped, or the guy who has to work his but off hours per day and watch what he eats to stay ripped? What if the second guy gets tired some day and quits? What if her kids don't have the same motivation to work so hard? So get the tattoos and fake tan, but don't tell anyone about it. Women are the same. They wear make up, but they try to make it look like they don't have any on. And if they fail, they get ripped on by men who say they are wearing 5 pounds of make up.

 

[s.a.f]

SAF lives in Europe. I heard French people don't bath much, and their women don't shave their legs. Most likely UK is closer to that than the US is.

Theres a difference between bathing and poncing about like you're Paris Hilton, most guys have bigger things to worry about than if they got body hair or smooth skin.

SAF does have a point, though he is not spelling it out. Women are not just attracted to how you look. They also care what their kids will look like. So you will do better if you hide the fact that you need to work on your appearance. Take your muscles for example: Whom do you think a woman would rather date: they guy who is naturally ripped, or the guy who has to work his but off hours per day and watch what he eats to stay ripped? What if the second guy gets tired some day and quits? What if her kids don't have the same motivation to work so hard? So get the tattoos and fake tan, but don't tell anyone about it. Women are the same. They wear make up, but they try to make it look like they don't have any on. And if they fail, they get ripped on by men who say they are wearing 5 pounds of make up.

Thats the whole point a woman does'nt want a man who has to spend all his time preening himself in order to look good she wants a man who either looks good naturally or does'nt worry about that stuff.

As a partner a man has to be able to deal with all the things life throws at him (and her) and be able to handle them. The type of guy who is so bothered about small physical details that he has to spend his time trying to alter rather than just be himself is going to fall apart if something serious ever does happen to him.

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[uncomfortable man]

I don't know what you're talking about, but to me this looks good http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUp14Yca ... re=related I have a similar skin type, so if I would get the same result, it would be good.
You forget a bald man already looks bad. It all comes down to seeing it alive and deciding if it looks good or not. Your analogy with makeup is not correct, as it should not look too obvious. If it looks fake, then don't do it.

If they can make a natural looking hairline with diffused edges then I would consider it. HIS looks like a stencil job.

 

[Ori83]

that looked like crap to me, looks very unnatural, dont do it! youll regret it for life! (again, the only way id consider this its with a fue combo to give it more volume when buzzed)

 

[Sebastien]

Yeah I don't know why they make the hairlines so 'perfect' aswell. Hairlines arent supposed to be that straight and symmetrical and they should as UC man stated, be less dense in the corners. I think you can tell them to do so anyway.

 

[s.a.f]

You'll notice that the youtube page does'nt allow comments to be posted without the owner approving them first.
To me it looked good from a few metres away but totally obvious close up. At 0:40 you could see the stubble on his horseshoe and you could see the hairs sticking out from his skin then at 0:50 you saw the top it looked mega thick but there was just a smooth dome outline that would be obvious to anyone who glanced up there whilst having a face to face conversation with him. And I would never have done it because I wanted to have actual hair on my head. He's still stuck with shaving it.
You notice how he kept stroking his head as he was talking well what happens when someone else touches it expecting to feel bristly stubble but its smooth as an egg?

 

[GeminiX]

I agree.

The procedure would really benefit from having at least some hair placed around the tattoo; not only would it feel significantly more natural to the touch; I believe you would feel more confident and not stress over being busted (assuming that is a worry for you).

 

[GeminiX]

You notice how he kept stroking his head as he was talking well what happens when someone else touches it expecting to feel bristly stubble but its smooth as an egg?

This is not true: I shave my head and you would not feel any difference between hair and skin.

Really? If so I stand corrected in regard to my own earlier comment.