been videochatting today with... makeup

[Mp1990]

If you get it tattooed its gonna be permanent, plus i imagine your gonna have to retouch it, since it might fade a little. Probably gonna need a good tattoo artist too that can make it look as realistic as possible.

Have you considered getting a hair piece?

 

[HairLoss916]

1. why are you video chatting with girls?
2. don't get those hair tattos those are dumb. just shave your head and get ripped

 

[MrBastard]

You mean like theese? http://www.hishairclinic.com/gallery/

 

[BrightonBaldy]

Ive done the same experiment, expected the the same result and got the same result, I just did it to boost my ego. Was given a few comments from some very hot and very nice girls that Im beautiful, sexy, gorgeous etc with the top of my head out of shot or with a hat on... without there wasnt even a hello, bit like real life.

As hard as being bald is when it comes to women, please dont eve get one of those tatoos ffs

 

[qball01]

Ive done the same experiment, expected the the same result and got the same result, I just did it to boost my ego. Was given a few comments from some very hot and very nice girls that Im beautiful, sexy, gorgeous etc with the top of my head out of shot or with a hat on... without there wasnt even a hello, bit like real life.

As hard as being bald is when it comes to women, please dont eve get one of those tatoos ffs

you'll obviously get a "few" more comments from girls when they think you have hair, I won't deny that. But you always act like its your baldness that has 100 percent destroyed your dating life with the opposite sex, which is BS IMO. Based on your posts, its quite apparent that any relationship/encounter you've had with women when you were younger was because they came onto you. Now that you're older/balder and prbly look a bit more intimidating...it doesn't happen too often anymore, so you're left helpless. And I know you tell yourself stuff like "why even try, its just an automatic rejection that I don't need" but thats entirely your problem. You were lucky if you had girls throw themselves at you when you were younger...but with girls your age nowadays that would be a lot less likely to happen, even if you did had hair. But just because you had some freebies when you were younger and more youthful looking don't fool yourself into thinking thats how it should be even now. Men initiate...women respond. If they don't initiate and just allow themselves to be approached by women, well then with the exception of the few girls who will take the initiative (which you were lucky enough to experience when younger) they will be waiting a loooong time.

And yeah, I agree about the tattooo BS. In your case askas, I'm betting it was more to do with the fact that for the first time since going bald, you didn't feel like an absolute worthless loser when you had your "tattooo" hair so you prbly spoke like you had an ounce of self dignity.

 

[qball01]

Men initiate...women respond. If they don't initiate and just allow themselves to be approached by women, well then with the exception of the few girls who will take the initiative (which you were lucky enough to experience when younger) they will be waiting a loooong time.

And yeah, I agree about the tattooo BS. In your case askas, I'm betting it was more to do with the fact that for the first time since going bald, you didn't feel like an absolute worthless loser when you had your "tattooo" hair so you prbly spoke like you had an ounce of self dignity.

This is simply not true. I even can't come up with words to persuade you how wrong you are, so I won't. But you are just in illusions. Looks matters much more here than your "confidence". You won't get a woman if she doesn't like you, unless you rape her. Yes woman chooses and pretends you catch her. Woman basically gives signs or not, or rejection signs. If you can't read it, then good luck.
What is that BS about tatoo? Can you explain? I don't feel like loser you moron. I do a lot of things to keep myself in shape both physically and psychically, that's why I don't post here too much already.

im not in illusion...and I completely agree with you. Looks do matter, yes. But other stuff can mitigate a lack of looks...and women do give subtle and not so subtle signs of whether they like you or not...but in MANY cases, whether they give you those signs depends on how you act and what you say, not just how you look.

online methods of meeting women don't reflect reality. Not only are many of the girls extremely shallow, in many cases the only thing to go by is looks because they don't see your other qualities. Even a high quality video chat doesn't come close to a face to face interaction.

and I didn't mean to offend you, but based on what I've read of your posts, you do consider yourself lesser when it comes to women and thats a huge problem.

 

[BrightonBaldy]

Ive done the same experiment, expected the the same result and got the same result, I just did it to boost my ego. Was given a few comments from some very hot and very nice girls that Im beautiful, sexy, gorgeous etc with the top of my head out of shot or with a hat on... without there wasnt even a hello, bit like real life.

As hard as being bald is when it comes to women, please dont eve get one of those tatoos ffs

you'll obviously get a "few" more comments from girls when they think you have hair, I won't deny that. But you always act like its your baldness that has 100 percent destroyed your dating life with the opposite sex, which is BS IMO. Based on your posts, its quite apparent that any relationship/encounter you've had with women when you were younger was because they came onto you. Now that you're older/balder and prbly look a bit more intimidating...it doesn't happen too often anymore, so you're left helpless. And I know you tell yourself stuff like "why even try, its just an automatic rejection that I don't need" but thats entirely your problem. You were lucky if you had girls throw themselves at you when you were younger...but with girls your age nowadays that would be a lot less likely to happen, even if you did had hair. But just because you had some freebies when you were younger and more youthful looking don't fool yourself into thinking thats how it should be even now. Men initiate...women respond. If they don't initiate and just allow themselves to be approached by women, well then with the exception of the few girls who will take the initiative (which you were lucky enough to experience when younger) they will be waiting a loooong time.

And yeah, I agree about the tattooo BS. In your case askas, I'm betting it was more to do with the fact that for the first time since going bald, you didn't feel like an absolute worthless loser when you had your "tattooo" hair so you prbly spoke like you had an ounce of self dignity.

I think I'm more mature than youre giving me credit for here with regards to attracting women, I've often said that baldness isnt the killer for attraction that many say it is but it gets lost amongst my whinging about it having a terrible effect on me personally because I know I tend to be more blunt about it. I also talk more on here about the times women came onto me in the past, as thats what doesnt happen anymore but I've also talked about the instant reactions I get from women when I approach them being very different. I dont want to talk about myself though I just say these things so as anybody who can relate doesnt feel so bad about being on their own.

I do agree though that personal confidence can be a winner and I've certainly lost some.

For me personally, I've got an attractive face for a guy in his 20's, not too youthful but not old either, good skin and good body, the lack of hairline just tips me over the edge in terms of what women will go for. Personality wise I've no trouble with women whatsoever, its just physically I cant back it up.

I've already given the on-going cycle of me 'meeting' women on the phone in work every week and being naturally confident, interesting, flirty etc as a perfect example of attracting women with just personality and chat, something many on here can be a solid substitute for looks. I'm a salesmen, I've probably learned more over the years about reading peoples reactions and using them to lead conversations than any of the plebs on dating sites could ever hope to... when I meet the women I chat to on the phone in person, the flirtation or even professional respect built up on first contact vanishes almost instantly as soon as we see each other, to the point where I've had 'awkward silence' moments until one of us catches our breath (tbh it works both ways if I meet a lass and she turns out to be a bit fat or ugly).

That never happened 3-4 years ago when I wasnt bald, we'd meet each other, shake hands, peck on the cheek, sit down and talk about our journeys/day/life etc then casually work our way into work convo, there were a few times it developed into something more but even when it didnt it was 100% more enjoyable than the cold business like approach they adopt with me now.


Going bald is tough, theres no question, but women make up their mind instantly when they meet a guy if he's hot or not, the whole 'getting to know somebody' thing only comes after the initial contact is made and youve met their minimum level of acceptable appearance. If you can meet that level, then she'll let you flirt with her, if she likes you after shes had a laugh, she'll f***/date/marry you... if you cannot meet her expectations physically then you'll never get anywhere with her emotionally.


I wouldnt read too much into the opening posters journey through video chat sites, we all know theyre a waste of time, it is a fairly extreme example of a situation where first impressions and thus looks count but the rest of his post is valid.

 

[BrightonBaldy]

As hard as being bald is when it comes to women, please dont eve get one of those tatoos ffs

You are saying like you done one and suffered from it. What is your opinion based on?

I've never had one no, I've no idea what they are like in reality.

I do know in photos they look good and I dare say in person they probably look good too, just like the real thing, which is why I have issue with them.

Since the age of 18 I've shaved my head, it looked good on me, I was a NW0.000 until it diffused into nothing at 24 but still shaved tight down to a 1 or 2. It was basically the exact same look that the tatoo's copy.

Everywhere I went, every club, every bar, every party.. random women would come and stroke my thick shaved hair and purr like bloody kittens at it in a way they wouldnt dream of with a balding head. I loved it and I know the girls I went out with in the past loved it, it was the 'bad-***' look that so many baldies think theyre sporting when they shave it down, for a NW0 its a choice and was seen as stylish.

I can assure you having had a shaved NW0 and now a shaved NW5, they are very different.

Anybody who gets a tatoo is going to have to be prepared to explain to the women they attract (and the guys who touch it) why it feels like lumpy soft skin instead of bristly velvety soft hair. A bit like a wig except permanent.

 

[captain_que]

from the pictures on that site, most of the guys who get these tattoos seem to be blacks no?

 

[BrightonBaldy]

Either way, women especially will want to touch the tatoo, it wont feel like hair.

Thats just my opinion, even though I'd look 10 times better with one of them I'd never ever consider it because of how it would feel.

 

[qball01]

im not in illusion...and I completely agree with you. Looks do matter, yes. But other stuff can mitigate a lack of looks...and women do give subtle and not so subtle signs of whether they like you or not...but in MANY cases, whether they give you those signs depends on how you act and what you say, not just how you look.

online methods of meeting women don't reflect reality. Not only are many of the girls extremely shallow, in many cases the only thing to go by is looks because they don't see your other qualities. Even a high quality video chat doesn't come close to a face to face interaction.

and I didn't mean to offend you, but based on what I've read of your posts, you do consider yourself lesser when it comes to women and thats a huge problem.

I know. That's why I took actor courses, I go to dancing, work out. I work on my qualities and this is for better. I study, I enjoy life and do all I wanted I thought hairloss will stop me from. Except for girls, this is where I really fail. Yes I'm not ideal by no means, but sometimes you have t take facts that this affects that. I wanted to share my experience, which I found interesting regarding "shaved" look. You know I'm near good-looking girls almost everyday the way I changed my life, but hairloss still affects my interactions with women and I see it's obvious.
I think yes, online videochat pretty much reflects reality, at least how people perceive you. You said "maybe you showed more confidence when chatting with painted hair", but there is no time for even showing your confidence. I mean, women take decision to continue chatting with you in seconds, regardless what you do. Then, of course, it matters how you speak etc. Basically, bad look simply won't get you into this second phase. That's why, unfortunately, you should look at least acceptable for them. I don't know about tatooing much for now, but I will research and take decision wisely, maybe after several years. I understand your concerns, but no, it wasn't that... Man, we are the same with women.. if we like how she looks, we are interested. If she is a total b**ch it doesn't matter then, but if you dislike woman, you won't consider her as your sexual partner. Same here. Sorry for being rude, but I was discouraged with misunderstanding of my experience, as this is the only place where I can find understanding of this problem and its real meaning.

the tattoo is only really best served for hair transplant scars IMO. apparently they can do a very good job of hiding the large scars...for the purpose you're talking about...I don't see the benefits outweighing the negatives. Trust me, my hair on top is very thin and my hairline has receeded a lot too...so while I definitely wouldn't mind the appearance of a nice hairline and what looks like a thick head of hair that has been shaved...its just not worth it to me. Its not such a drastic change, especially once you're shaving it to the skin anyways. Not enough to justify getting a permanent tattoo on my scalp.

Anyways, believe me when I tell YOU that what you said resonates with me...I've been there. But the reason you still struggle so much with girls despite doing all those other things is precisely because...in large part you've pursued those things mainly as a way to feel better about yourselves in regards to women...and to meet more women. So you do stuff like go to the gym, take acting, etc. But nothing changes and you're left thinking "oh it must be the hair, because I've done all these other things and it hasn't worked." But what you haven't done, is change your core belief of "women can't like me if I'm bald...I'm not worthy." As long as that belief is in your mind, you can make all the superficial changes you want to your appearance and your lifestyle...but you won't get far. You need to address the fact you're walking around with a deadly belief that you're not worthy. Its not easy to do...and I certainly don't yet have the full answer as to how you change it...but the key does lie there.

Believe me, I know what its like to make a big change in your appearance only for the negative core beliefs to still remain...and guess what? Nothing much changes socially unless you change the way you feel about yourself and address the belief that you're not good enough. Going to the gym, and all the stuff you mentioned is very healthy and good to do...but it won't magically fix the psychological issues.

 

[BrightonBaldy]

as i said, ive had that look in the past, its a girl magnet.






its exactly why you shouldnt get it.

im a bit drunk just now so go do whatever the f*** you want man, i hope it works out.


merry christmas all

 

[GeminiX]

What about combining the tattoo with a hair transplant?

The hair transplant would give the real hair effect to the *touch* and the tattoo would give the impression of the mega density.

I used to work with a guy who had severely thinning hair and used some kind of paint on his scalp as a concealer. It actually looked surprisingly good unless you looked very closely, so I would expect the dotted tattoo pattern to look convincing even at close range.

I've had a similar (though much smaller) procedure done on my eyebrows. During my last hair transplant some of the hairs from my head were transplanted into a scar on my right eyebrow. I then had both eyebrows tattooed and even from a few inches they look perfect (I can post close up pictures if anyone is interested).

That said, the hair I have on my crown and hairline which has been recovered and transplanted does feel different to the hair at the back and sides of my head, even though it looks very convincing now.

edit: ok, this might actually be a little too much mulled wine typing, but I might look into this myself to boost the appearance of density in the thinnest areas...

 

[Petchsky]

I'd think long and hard about it. Some look better than others I feel. Sometimes the contrast between the top and sides can be quite apparent, and the hairlines can look too perfect and straight...I've just been looking at a few more on youtube from your link, I also don't see why they all go for the NW0 hairlines as well.

 

[s.a.f]

I've had a similar (though much smaller) procedure done on my eyebrows. During my last hair transplant some of the hairs from my head were transplanted into a scar on my right eyebrow. I then had both eyebrows tattooed and even from a few inches they look perfect (I can post close up pictures if anyone is interested)..

It'd be intersting to see if the tattoos can look realistic at more than stubble length, most tattoo'd eyebrows I've seen are just solid black and look terrible.

 

[uncomfortable man]

I looked into the whole tattoo deal and it pretty much forces you to shave your head at least every other day if not every day because it looks obvious once the hair grows out even just a little. And be prepared to have a good excuse handy why you never let it grow out even just a little..... and then have to repeat that excuse over and over again.

Currently, there are two kinds of head tattoos....

HIS in europe is not permanent but the hairlines look stenciled and repeat procedures will result in scarring which will prevent being able to use future HM treatments effectively.

Artistry Concepts in Florida, USA tattoos are permanent and although they use ultra fine point precision tools, they cannot guarantee that the tattoo won't discolor or bleed out over time.... although initially the results look fantastic.

Both methods require that you stay out of direct sunlight for about a year after the procedure as repeated sunburns (top of your head is the most exposed to sunlight) can ruin the job.

It is a big decision that I've been tempted to go through myself as the difference/improvement it can make in your appearance is quite drastic.

 

[GeminiX]

UM, what if you can suffer through it looking strange as it grows out? Would it not work at least as well as any other concealer when ones hair gets to a few inches length?

I'll post some close ups of my eyebrows tomorrow (macro if I can), they are about as long as they ever get right now and I'm about to prune them (especially the crazy hair transplant ones which are still growing to mental lengths).

edit: @SAF, I've seen some of those dark ones too, they look terrible and are usually the very cheap ones. The two in the UK who are respected (for eyebrows) always do medium to dark browns instead of black. You'll see from the photos that instead of looking like I have heavily pencilled in my eyebrows, they pretty much just look like some one who has no make-up on.

 

[GeminiX]

Just taken some close up photos at quite high resolution; I'll crop them later and post them for anyone interested.

 

[GeminiX]

Ok, here are both my eyebrows.

They are actually both desperate for attention and I shall be grabbing the tweezers right after I click "Submit".

Left Brow

Right Brow

Both eyebrows are tattooed but my right brow is the one with the scar and had very little hair past the middle and out to the side. As a result it's much easier to spot the tattoo and hair transplant hairs when the image is taken with a macro lens at this resolution.

Also, the light was not ideal as I'm using my SLR at macro distance facing the wrong way; I'll endeavour to get someone else to take them with better lighting next time

As for how long they will last, it's hard to say. All tattoos fade over time and unless you want jet black ink which will look awful for the first few years you're probably looking at about 10 - 15 (at best) years before needing more ink.

You can view both images at full resolution here: (huge files)
Left brow
Right brow

 

[GeminiX]

Sadly I don't know enough about tattooing to give a more accurate answer; the friend who put me onto the tattooist who did my eyebrows still has perfect looking eyebrows 4 years on, mine are just six months.

As you can see from the photos she does a combination of dots to give a soft outline and dashes to simulate hairs. It's extremely hard to spot the difference when there is actual hair mixed in there too.

My right eye is more noticeable, but mainly as she has covered up the bad scar and has had to create simulated hair from nothing other than a handful of hair transplant grafts; from more than a few inches away though and you simply don't see it. Even when I point them out to people, they have to look *really* close to spot them.