best option for non-prescription DHT inhibitor?

[mikau]

I would like to avoid getting a prescription if I can avoid the hassle of getting a dermatologist and the related expenses... is there any over-the-counter dht-inhibitor worth trying?

 

[multispeed27]

I have read some decent case studies of Revivogen now and RU, but that one is not really "over the counter". Just stay away from oral DHT inhibitors and don't mess with your hormones.

 

[mikau]

See "messing with my hormones" is what I'm reading about here and has got me worried. Isn't Finastride an oral DHT inhibitor?

 

[multispeed27]

if you check www.propeciahelp.com you'll find plenty of people with irreversible side effects from finasteride. They are basically castrated and there is no cure working for them.

 

[mikau]

if you check http://www.propeciahelp you'll find plenty of people with irreversible side effects from finasteride. They are basically castrated and there is no cure working for them.

Oh God... Well thats... terrifying...

Well what WOULD you suggest, Multispeed27?

 

[Rawtashk]

Or...perhaps you could look at facts and realize that those cases are MINUSCULE when compared to the overall number of people who have taken finasteride with no problems whatsoever. Me being one of them.

Don't believe everything you read, and do your OWN research.

 

[twhacker888]

What about spironolactone cream 5%???


I just bought some and started using it yesterday since I didn't want to mess with finasteride. I just rub it on top of my head every morning and night. I read quite a few places that it worked well as a dht prohibitor. Even though it does kind of smell funny but not too bad.

 

[AoR]

Or...perhaps you could look at facts and realize that those cases are MINUSCULE when compared to the overall number of people who have taken finasteride with no problems whatsoever. Me being one of them.

Those cases being minuscule is irrelevant. If it can happen to one person then it can happen to anyone, and that is a risk everyone should very deeply consider the ramifications of before taking something like finasteride.

 

[Rawtashk]

Or...perhaps you could look at facts and realize that those cases are MINUSCULE when compared to the overall number of people who have taken finasteride with no problems whatsoever. Me being one of them.

Those cases being minuscule is irrelevant. If it can happen to one person then it can happen to anyone, and that is a risk everyone should very deeply consider the ramifications of before taking something like finasteride.

That is true, but there are risks with everything in life. For example, in 2005 there were 45,800 people that DIED in car crashes. You run the risk that you will be one of those people every time you drive to work, or run to the store to get milk. It's up to you to decide if it's worth it.

 

[AoR]

That is true, but there are risks with everything in life. For example, in 2005 there were 45,800 people that DIED in car crashes. You run the risk that you will be one of those people every time you drive to work, or run to the store to get milk. It's up to you to decide if it's worth it.

I don't think comparing taking a drug for cosmetic improvement which, regardless of side effects experienced, will definitely alter one's body in potentially negative ways, with driving a car where you have almost no chance of affecting your body/health makes much sense.

But you're right that everyone should make up their own mind and decide if it's worth it. And to me that entails more than just reading a few success stories here. I think anyone considering the drug should read people's accounts on Propeciahelp and watching youtube videos that actually show people who've become permanently impotent because of the drug, and of course do whatever research they can to understand how it actually affects your body chemistry.

 

[Rawtashk]

But, you also have to keep in mind that most of the information collected on the internet is negative. Why?

Situation 1: Man takes propecia. Propecia works. Man goes about his daily business, happy with his hair and life.

Situation 2: Man takes propecia. Propecia gives him sides. Man goes online to try and figure out why.

I was on it for over 3 years before I made an account here and shared my success story...but you can bet your sweet *** that I'd have made a profile here the very same day I got any sort of sides!!!

 

[AoR]

That's fair enough, but the point I'm trying to make is it is a very serious risk no matter how small the chances are, and people are more likely to blow off those risks if they don't properly stare them in the face.

 

[Rawtashk]

Again, I'm not trying to discredit you or your points. The fact of the matter is that long-term side effects are a very very very very small %. You are more likely to get in a car wreck on your way home from work today.

Don't know if you've read my story or not...but the fear of side effects kept me from trying finasteride for about 2 years. I finally jumped on it after my boss commented on my "thin spot". 3 years later...no side effects and excellent maintaining of hair. My regret is that I didn't start on it sooner.

 

[TravisB]

I'd rather just shave my thin hair close (actually I'm shaving it for a few mm, I look decent and feel better than when I grow out my thin hair) and don't give a f*ck about it, and wait for hair regenerating treatments like Histogen etc., which I presume will be available in less than 10 years (at least four companies are working on it), or wait until CB comes out and then have a transplant, than poison myself with Propecia and risk losing my manhood, or have other Propecia related problems.

 

[multispeed27]

Everybody has to make that decision themselves - there's no need to tell people to start taking the drug. And when there are already studies in which 15.8% of men had impotence (!) as a side effect from finasteride you most certainly can't speak of a tiny minority. DHT is a crucial male sex hormone (androgen) and it would be naive to think that getting rid of it would lead to no consequences but a stop of hair loss. You're lucky if you still have your morning wood and spontaneous erection during the day as those are crucial for the health of your penis as well.

 

[hairhoper]

there are already studies in which 15.8% of men had impotence (!) as a side effect from finasteride.

Bullshit. Where?

 

[mikau]

While I am appreciating this discussion, I am still trying to decide what to use as a DHT inhibitor.

The S5 cream available from this site looks interesting. Any oppinions on that in terms of risks vs effectiveness?

 

[twhacker888]

My weiner is already too small to risk to risk female side affects from finasteride.

 

[Nex]

While I am appreciating this discussion, I am still trying to decide what to use as a DHT inhibitor.

The S5 cream available from this site looks interesting. Any oppinions on that in terms of risks vs effectiveness?

Mikau, on it's own S5 will not do much. It is a good start but because you won't be using propecia at this time you will need to beef up that regimen.

Personally right now I am on Nizoral (Daily) and spironolactone (2x daily), my revivogen will be coming on Friday. I have doubts if this will be enough.

You have limited options if you choose not to use propecia, some users use RU, but it is not FDA approved and no one really knows what will happen after long terms of use...

 

[MJUK]

While I am appreciating this discussion, I am still trying to decide what to use as a DHT inhibitor.

The S5 cream available from this site looks interesting. Any oppinions on that in terms of risks vs effectiveness?

Mikau, on it's own S5 will not do much. It is a good start but because you won't be using propecia at this time you will need to beef up that regimen.

Personally right now I am on Nizoral (Daily) and spironolactone (2x daily), my revivogen will be coming on Friday. I have doubts if this will be enough.

You have limited options if you choose not to use propecia, some users use RU, but it is not FDA approved and no one really knows what will happen after long terms of use...

You need to add in growth agents (the other side of the equation).

My current regime is revivogen in the evening, nizoral 2/3 times a week, tricomin before bed and regaine foam in the morning.

Just to add to the debate, I have read from a reliable source sexual side effects are about 20% of users and I think it must effect everyone to a certain extent.

The point is though it will permanently down regulate your testostrone production as test won't convert to DHT so will stay as test. Your body will then not produce more test meaning you will go from having DHT (say 3 units) + test (say 7 units) to just test (say 7 units). In short you will be less manly. I think people using orals are taking a serious risk with their long-term health. If you down regulate your test levels you will have lower test later in life and suffer from all the negative health consequences. This is a risk for all long term users not just the poor guys who have their endocronic system shut down completely.

Stick with safe treatments, if you need to, have a transplant and wait for the advanced treatments on the horizon.