Body-beard Hair Growth And Baldness Relation?

[George24]

I'm wondering if the relation they say is real.

When did you guys start to grow body hair and beard and how fast

Do you know of people that started growing beards early in life and at a fast rate but retained their hair nonetheless?

Cheers

 

[Notanuther1]

@pegasus2 Burt Reynolds wore hairpieces...

 

[Haironnu]

That's actually a mystery but it's 100% related.
although I don't think it's the amount of body hair, more like WHERE is the body hair.

I'm from the middle east (israel) and unlike what people think most people here are not harrier than in other westren countries, although they are just as much as bald. I see many people going bald without much body hair, I also have a friend who is very hairy and has a great full head of hair at 28.

what I did notice, and honestly I've yet to encounter someone who broke my theory, is that if you're hairy in unusual places, shoulders, back, sides of the torso, upper arms, then you'll 100% go bald, literally every single dude I've seen that was hairy in those places was also balding, including myself.

first I've read that it may be higher sensitivity to DHT thus growing hair in those areas of the body, but that kinda did not make sense because there are many guys who bald earlier in life who barely have any body hair.

then someone on this forum said it might not be high sensitivity to dht, but actually just high amounts of DHT in the body. again I cannot confirm this and it's probably not 100% accurate because every person is different.

the only thing I can confirm is that any guy who is hairy in those areas of the body will go bald.

 

[Haironnu]

When I say Middle East I'm talking Arabs, Pakistanis, Muslims. Israelis are largely European.

If you google hairy backs most of the guys you'll see are high norwoods, with probably at least half being NW7. There's probably something to it.

that depends because jews moved to israel from so many parts of the world, there are tons of israelies with middle eastren/arabic ethnicity (yemen, iraq, iran and so on) basically in here it divides to 3, "ashkenazi" for those with europian ethnicity, "sephardi" for hispanic ethnicity and "mizrahi" for those with middle eastren/arabic ethnicity.

most of the "mizrahi" guys I see around are actually not hairy at all and actually bald less, most of the guys I see balding are those with the europian ethnicity, I'm half romanian and half bulgarian and I'm hairy af and balding.

and yes, as I said in the post above you, being hairy on the back/shoulders, side of torso and upper arms is almost for sure related. it probably does mean very high amounts of DHT in the body and not sensitivity.

 

[Haironnu]

Bulgaria and Romania both seem to be among the worst for hair genes, so you got it bad from both sides I'd say. I'd love to see some studies on the amounts of DHT in men with different body hair profiles. I suspect that it's both high DHT and AR sensitivity.

well damn, I didn't know that, any source you can give me on bulgaria and romania being among the worst of hair genes?

and idk about sensitivity because I've seen quite a bit of guys my age who weren't nearly as hairy as I am but they were much balder than me.

I'm leaning towards high DHT rather than sensitivity, it wouldn't make sense to be sensitivity because then every feminine guy who goes majorly bald in their 20s should be hairy as all hell, but they aren't. I think in their case it's high sensitivity rather than high amounts.
feminine guys who go bald early in life don't have high testosterone obviously thus shouldn't have high DHT either. it makes more sense it's just high sensitivity in their case, and high DHT in guys who are also hairy.

someone suggested that finasteride might do wonders on me (the one who believes hairiness comes from high dht) saying I may not be that sensitive but that my issue is simply low-moderate sensitivty but just high amounts of dht. but I'm probably never going to go on finasteride so I guess I'll never know.

 

[Haironnu]

That's just my own personal, limited observation.

Perhaps, but there's no overarching reason why people go bald. Low T in feminine men can cause high DHT to compensate. I don't often see feminine men go bald though if they are in shape, only if they have an obviously poor diet and sedentary lifestyle. AR sensitivity is the most highly correlated gene with male pattern baldness. Men with two G alleles often go bald while men with two A alleles almost never go bald. I have two A alleles, so I guess that means my DHT is off the charts.

I don't know, I haven't really seen much in the way of people claiming to lose body hair on finasteride, so it may not lower DHT enough for people with very high baseline levels. That happens more with dutasteride. Anyways, you can always take a dna test to find out your AR sensitivity. You most likely have at least one G allele.

no point taking those tests, since I'm balding anyway, and the treatments are all the same regardless.

 

[Haironnu]

I wouldn't do it just for hair loss, but for everything else they tell you it's worth it.

where do you even get it done

 

[Tattoo]

I started early puberty, thus started growing facial hair at 9-10 so it’s definitely a factor for me. It gave me a hate of body hair for that reason and why I’m stuck using tranny drugs

 

[Vul123]

Still losing hair with no body hair at all. No patchs of facial hair or moustaches at all so I don't think having body hair has a direct correlation with male pattern baldness

 

[NorwoodingMyWay]

There *could* be some corelation. I started growing facial hair and ridiculous body hair at 14-15 (coincidentally, same time i started thinning and temple recession..). I have the hairiest body out of ALL my friends, and guess what, i am also the baldest out of all of them too (only one of them shows signs of crown thinning. He does have body hair, but normal amounts for his age). Fortunately, i hopped on dutasteride for 10 months now, and dutasteride took care of my hairy body (made me normal), and it's doing well for my scalp too. I don't know if i had very high DHT amounts (never tested my hormones) or my body/scalp hair follicles are just so sensitive to DHT, but i am a firm believer that most hairiest people out there, are also bald.

 

[kaneki]

That's actually a mystery but it's 100% related.
although I don't think it's the amount of body hair, more like WHERE is the body hair.

I'm from the middle east (israel) and unlike what people think most people here are not harrier than in other westren countries, although they are just as much as bald. I see many people going bald without much body hair, I also have a friend who is very hairy and has a great full head of hair at 28.

what I did notice, and honestly I've yet to encounter someone who broke my theory, is that if you're hairy in unusual places, shoulders, back, sides of the torso, upper arms, then you'll 100% go bald, literally every single dude I've seen that was hairy in those places was also balding, including myself.

first I've read that it may be higher sensitivity to DHT thus growing hair in those areas of the body, but that kinda did not make sense because there are many guys who bald earlier in life who barely have any body hair.

then someone on this forum said it might not be high sensitivity to dht, but actually just high amounts of DHT in the body. again I cannot confirm this and it's probably not 100% accurate because every person is different.

the only thing I can confirm is that any guy who is hairy in those areas of the body will go bald.

I'm here to break your theory, Middle Eastern, zero body hair, normal-high testosterone levels and still balding.

 

[Derelict]

I'm here to break your theory, Middle Eastern, zero body hair, normal-high testosterone levels and still balding.

Yeah my step dad has lots of hair on his chest and back etc and still has a perfect hair line with no greying at 60.

 

[Mitko1]

There's no correlation between body hair and baldness. The problem is in your neck muscles and neck posture.

https://tmdocclusion.com/home/connection-to-other-diseases-and-syndromes/hair-loss/

 

[whatintheworld]

That's actually a mystery but it's 100% related.
although I don't think it's the amount of body hair, more like WHERE is the body hair.

I'm from the middle east (israel) and unlike what people think most people here are not harrier than in other westren countries, although they are just as much as bald. I see many people going bald without much body hair, I also have a friend who is very hairy and has a great full head of hair at 28.

what I did notice, and honestly I've yet to encounter someone who broke my theory, is that if you're hairy in unusual places, shoulders, back, sides of the torso, upper arms, then you'll 100% go bald, literally every single dude I've seen that was hairy in those places was also balding, including myself.

first I've read that it may be higher sensitivity to DHT thus growing hair in those areas of the body, but that kinda did not make sense because there are many guys who bald earlier in life who barely have any body hair.

then someone on this forum said it might not be high sensitivity to dht, but actually just high amounts of DHT in the body. again I cannot confirm this and it's probably not 100% accurate because every person is different.

the only thing I can confirm is that any guy who is hairy in those areas of the body will go bald.

I've seen this too and can confirm for myself, I have hair on my arms, back, and chest, looks pretty ridiculous. My beard is pretty patchy though but its still coming in so even in my mid to late 20s which is a bit unusual, even while im on finasteride.

 

[Northface32]

Yeah my step dad has lots of hair on his chest and back etc and still has a perfect hair line with no greying at 60.

Lol your "stepdad".....is lying to you. He must have a permanent hairoiece. There's no way he doesn't have grey hair at 60.....that or he dyes it.

 

[Mandar kumthekar]

I have tons of body hair and balding ,though very slowly. I am still nw2.5 at 34 y , so I will not slick bald in my life but yes there is definite correlation.

 

[hollow11]

Bulgaria and Romania both seem to be among the worst for hair genes, so you got it bad from both sides I'd say. I'd love to see some studies on the amounts of DHT in men with different body hair profiles. I suspect that it's both high DHT and AR sensitivity.

I'm Bulgarian and I must say this is bullshit. I've been inspecting other peoples hair subconsciously ever since i noticed my hair loss, but more than 90% of the people in their 20s here are NW1. Most people seem to start losing in their late 30s.

 

[hollow11]

Lol your "stepdad".....is lying to you. He must have a permanent hairoiece. There's no way he doesn't have grey hair at 60.....that or he dyes it.

It's possible. My grandad had most of the color in his hair and I've always went with him for haircuts as a kid, witnessing him sit on the chair, so it couldn't be a hairpiece. Even more so since those weren't really available here

 

[Mitko1]

Bulgaria probably don't have worst hair genetics but most people here from 50 and beyond are losing hair. I rarely see a grandpa who have good hair and doesn't wear a hat.

 

[hollow11]

This should correlate well with baldness.
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I don't know where this data was pulled from, but it matches up pretty well.
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OK so there's 70% balding over here but only 2 guys in my class of 300 fall into that 70% and they're NW3 at worst. I guess we're quite lucky then