Brad's Troubles

[be001g]

I am 28 and the hair line is going fast. I am posting pictures of the front and right sides. The left side is pretty much the same, as the right.

1. Could you guy please help me decide if I am Norwood 2 or 3, or gulp worse?

2. Should I start Propecia right away?

3. What about Minoxidil 5%?

4. Would a hair transplant allow me to feel in the "wedges" that were taken out of my hairline?

Thanks for your help.

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[hair today gone tomorrow]

id say 1.5 or 2, no more than that.

 

[barcafan]

Propecia, nizoral.


NOW.

 

[Cutsinger is God]

Propecia, nizoral.


NOW.

You are a total idiot barcafan. The guy's hair is fine. Propecia and Nizoral. Unbelievable. :roll: He's 28 and he pretty much has all his hair. The guy is in the prime of his life and he should be out there swinging but you people have him scared half to death spending hours on end looking in the mirror at hairloss that isn't even there except in his mind.

Take it from an expert on hair regrowth and degrowth be001g. You don't need to take anything. That's right you heard me right the first time. All you need is to try to use non SLS shampoo or just wash with water. It's safe and your hair will be healthy in time from all the chemical baths you've been giving it over the years.

This really is more of an emotional issue more than a hair issue so may I suggest take some Kava for anxiety and some St. John's wort for depression. Most people with delusions of baldness tend to have depression and or anxiety. Both are natural and in time you will realize you don't have a hairloss problem and worry about something better like what chick to take out on Friday night.

All my best,

Cutsinger is God

P.S. Let barcafan be the guy that goes into the doctors' office with dark glasses on asking if he can get a prescription for v**** for his Dad. :wink:

 

[HairyPotter]

I would suggest you get on Propecia and Nizoral if you want to maintain your hair... Then if you want to kick in some regrowth you could add a little bit of Rogaine.

And cutsinger you tell him your an expert and to take nothing and just wash with plain water... Wow you sound like a real expert! :roll: Its true he shouldnt stress too much about his hair because he is 28 and still has most of it BUT if he wants to keep it he should do something more than rinse with cold water... wtf is that gonna do?

 

[kalbo]

Propecia, nizoral.


NOW.

I can't believe I'm saying this, but I agree with Cutsinger is God. Not on his wacky no shampoo theory though, just that you shouldn't be scaring the sh*t outta this guy when he still has a good amount of hair. From those pictures alone it's hard to tell if he even is balding.

be001g, I think you're a nw1.5. Before you jump on the meds, I recommend you see a doctor or some sort of specialist to determine if you are in fact balding. Or maybe you can post more pics with your hair pulled back to expose the hairline. Also, is there any history of baldness within your family?

 

[powersam]

that really just looks like the mature hair line. although i suppose if he is now 28 and seeing it move back then it probably is male pattern baldness.

 

[Sean68]

if it bothers you take the meds. thats it really.

 

[Pondle]

Propecia, nizoral.


NOW.

You are a total idiot barcafan. The guy's hair is fine. Propecia and Nizoral. Unbelievable. :roll: He's 28 and he pretty much has all his hair. The guy is in the prime of his life and he should be out there swinging but you people have him scared half to death spending hours on end looking in the mirror at hairloss that isn't even there except in his mind.

Take it from an expert on hair regrowth and degrowth be001g. You don't need to take anything. That's right you heard me right the first time. All you need is to try to use non SLS shampoo or just wash with water. It's safe and your hair will be healthy in time from all the chemical baths you've been giving it over the years.

This really is more of an emotional issue more than a hair issue so may I suggest take some Kava for anxiety and some St. John's wort for depression. Most people with delusions of baldness tend to have depression and or anxiety. Both are natural and in time you will realize you don't have a hairloss problem and worry about something better like what chick to take out on Friday night.

All my best,

Cutsinger is God

P.S. Let barcafan be the guy that goes into the doctors' office with dark glasses on asking if he can get a prescription for v**** for his Dad. :wink:

You are a fool Cutsinger. I'm gonna keep posting my rebuttal of you every time I see a post by you or Diamond Dave.

a. Men went bald in the old days and I said this many times. There were other causes of baldness and the main thing was malnutrition. Back then people had to search for their own food. Bad diets, no food, starvation. You name it people suffered hairloss. I believe the average age of death was in the 30's and younger for cavemen. Speaking of cavemen, I am sure insects and mites also contributed to baldness before shampoo was invented. It was a entirely different time back then.

Male pattern baldness is NOT the same thing as other types of hair loss. Balding men do not 'lose' hair in the true sense of the word, but instead it gradually becomes fine and vellus. The transition of at least some terminal hairs into vellus hairs is a universal physiological secondary sexual characteristic. Clin Endocrinol 1994;40:439¬57.

b. all men who use shampoo eventually do go bald. The problem with this is people die at all different ages. Some men probaby would of went bald from shampooing, they just didn't live long enough to experienc the baldness. Car accidents, cancer, etc.

The prerequisites for premature androgenetic alopecia are a genetic predisposition and sufficient levels of androgens. Eunuchs and men with 5AR deficiency do not go bald. Every white man possesses the autosomal inherited predisposition, and 96% lose hair to some degree, but because of the variabity of gene expression far fewer have appreciable premature hair loss. Am J Anat 1942;71:451¬80. J Clin Endocrinol Metab 1960;20:1309¬18. Dawber RPR, ed. Diseases of the hair and scalp. Oxford: Blackwell Science, 1997. Ann N Y Acad Sci 1951;53:708¬28

c. regarding women, see b.

Simply false.

d. All men apply shampoo pretty much the same way. They apply it to the front or the top of the heads and according to Cutsinger, this is "ground zero" for the hairloss to occur. Years and years of acid burns will eventually cause a bald spot and once it starts, it spreads, you will get the horseshoe pattern and that's the area where the shampoo is concentrated the most and for the longest periods of time. The back and the sides get very little because of gravity. The horseshoe top is where the shampoo sits flat until water washes it away. You see now.

As Doctor has said, chemicals in rinse-off shampoo products do not have sufficient time to absorb into the skin and, even if they did, there is ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE that they damage hair follicles - quite the contrary, according to some of the information that Bryan has posted e.g. "Induction of hair growth by skin irritants and its relation to skin protein kinase C isoforms." Br J Dermatol 1999 Apr;140(4):616-23.

The reason why the back and sides of the head are not affected by male pattern baldness is because these regions contain far lower levels of androgen receptors. J Endocrinol. 1998 Jan;156(1):59-65.

e. I can't explain the use of androgen on scalp hair

Because you ignore the science.

just like you can't explain why Lawrence, Diamond Dave, Widowspeak, and FirestormUK are regrowing huge amounts of hair by cutting out the suds.

None of you are regrowing hair. Your hair may appear thicker because of the accumulated grease and grime, and you may have naturally reached your eventual Norwood scale rating, but you certainly won't regrow any hair. There is no biological possibility of this happening.

f. There is no proven effectivness except for some peach fuzz and great marketing by the chemical companies to young 20 somethings who don't know any better and are only worried about getting laid so they all get on drugs in order to have sex or to find a mate before they bald. Follow the money trail and you will find a pile a crap at the end of your chemical rainbow.

Wrong. We have evidence from randomised placebo-controlled trials that finasteride and dustasteride regrow hair and prevent further hair loss. This evidence has been subjected to peer review and published in reputable scientific journals.

 

[antonio666]

to custinger ,his hair is not fine. true nobody would realise he was balding but it looks lik e the early signs of hair loss and if he wants to keep his hair should take action straight away,but at the moment the hair looks good

 

[flimflam]

Hi be001g, here are some sensible answers:

1. Could you guy please help me decide if I am Norwood 2 or 3, or gulp worse?

I'd say you were an NW2 at worst. Probably NW1.5 or something.

2. Should I start Propecia right away?

If you want to keep your hair from getting worse, absolutely.

3. What about Minoxidil 5%?

Minoxidil will likely regrow the "wedges" missing from hair at the front sides however minoxidil is a big commitment, know what's involved first!

4. Would a hair transplant allow me to feel in the "wedges" that were taken out of my hairline?

Possibly, but I don't think you need to do anything with those areas. Your hair looks pretty good like that. Grow it long if you want it to hang down and cover it. Loads of guys do this and it looks great.

Your hairline is quite similar to mine, so I know how you feel But it's really not as noticeable as you probably think.

It looks like you also have some diffuse thinning at the front. Propecia should help thicken that back up again (it's doing it for me!). And who knows, maybe it'll help with your hairline too

 

[barcafan]

You guys are idiots.

If this guys hair has deteriorated from what it was before and he was concerned, he should start taking meds now before it becomes progressively worse..

IF theres no doubt its male pattern baldness (and i doubt its nothing, seeing as how he made an account and posted his story here)and he starts early on meds he can have the greatest chance of success with treatments.

Should he wait untill his hairloss is deemed 'unacceptable' by him, untill he starts treatments?

I am 28 and the hair line is going fast.

Did you not happen to read that? Hes obviously not bald, hes around a Norwood 1.5 or so. But if he says his hair is going FAST then it will LIKELY GET WORSE, INSTEAD OF JUST STOPPING (That's male pattern baldness For you).

If he starts now he has the greatest chance of success, are you guys purposely trolling so he fucks up and has a less chance of success?

Tell me, should he wait untill hes Norwood 3-NW4 untill he starts taking finasteride (Which is the best maintenence med [ Exactly what he needs])

Seriously, you shouldnt even be on this forum...I feel sorry for every newb that reads your "advice" and takes it as Gospel.

This kind of behavior has got to stop, we're trying to help people overcome male pattern baldness, not listen to the advice of some MotherFu.cker who probably doesnt give 2 shits about them nor their problems.

Wow, f*****g idiots.

 

[barcafan]

Take it from an expert on hair regrowth and degrowth be001g. You don't need to take anything. That's right you heard me right the first time. All you need is to try to use non SLS shampoo or just wash with water. It's safe and your hair will be healthy in time from all the chemical baths you've been giving it over the years.

Oh.My.f*****g.God.

I'M an idiot?

Saying retarded sh*t like this has GOT to be against the rules.

Either you're PURPOSELY (Or maybe you're just an ignoramus?) giving him sh*t POOR advice (THAT WONT f*****g WORK AND IF HES DESTINED FOR male pattern baldness HE'LL JUST GO HIGHER AND HIGHER ON THE Norwood SCALE).

You f*****g a**h**, Shampooing and sls has NOTIHNG to do with male pattern baldness. Why would you give this guy advice that you KNOW YOURSELF is not proven (In fact, more than likely DISPROVEN). Do you not want him to stop his hairloss and the anxiety associated with it? Or do you just want him to be your little guinei pig and have him do NOTHING EFFECTIVE against his hairloss?

I mean f***, you could have at least told him to take some snake oil or a 'natural' pill then i would have had a LITTLE more respect for you.

You need to be banned for overzealously giving SHlT POOR advice that doesnt help anybody.

 

[Pondle]

Barcafan, I totally agree. These guys MUST be trolls. We've torn their theory to shreds time and time again. No one can be so stupid that they'd keep coming on back for more! I mean did these guys even finish High School? They must simply enjoy disrupting the forum and misleading newbies. It's malicious.

 

[barcafan]

I'm going to talk to cassin about it.

To me it seems like it IS malicious and purposefully done. It's just not fair to the new guys here who really dont have all the facts, they might be more than likely to side with the more 'natural' or 'harmless' theory and it will get them nowhere.


We're trying to help people here. It's bad enough we have nuts that threaten to mutilate them or stuff like that. We dont need this kind of Shlt here anymore, go to the offtopic forum for that.

 

[Beethoven]

I 100% agree with barcafan and Pondle.

I have to add something:

As long as CIS and DD wants to play "debating sessions" in their originals threads it's fine, although as Pondle said "We've torn their theory to shreds time and time again".
But now they start sabotaging this forum! this newbie could lose its hair because of the BS that CIS wrote.

newbie (sorry, i don't remember your nick), listen to me!
you must consider the big three proven stuff:
Propecia, Minoxidil (DNC or Rogain Foam) and Nizoral. search and read about it - this is your starting point.

Other good additions could be antiandrogen like topical spironolactone or fluridil, and some copper based product like Tricomin/folligen/prox-N.
But this is only secondary to the big three.

Please ignore the troll! he wants you to lose your hair.

 

[Johnny24601]

re:

Taken from other topic but....
I personally believe you are doing a disservice to newbies by presenting an idea with no real scientific basis, but if they want to follow your hypothesis then I guess they deserve what they get. I believe this "theory" may resonate with many newbies because many of them have only recently noticed their hairloss and can be convinced that they can regain "control". I mean I would much rather be told that my hairloss was caused by "outside environmental factors and can easily be reversed" then "your hairloss is caused by a genetic condition that will only get worse with time".
The same rings true with theories supporting a connection between masturbation and hat use to hairloss. These theories (like the shampoo stuff) have no scientific basis but are accepted by many because it gives them "control" over their hairloss. Having to accept that male pattern baldness is a progressive genetic condition can be scary for many many men, I know it was for me but at least now I now know how to battle male pattern baldness and at the very least slow down the rate of hairloss.

 

[Cutsinger is God]

Ok, I take it back. Take Barfafan's advice. He's the expert here. I know you asked for people's opinions but what you really wanted was exactly what you got. All these other morons telling you to go on Propecia immediately because they can feel better about themselves knowing they "helped" another person go on a drug that probably half of them don't need to be on either.

I noticed how not one single person mentioned if the guy has enough finances or insurance to pay for the Propecia? Did you tell him about any side effects he might encounter? Is he going to school? What is the drop out rate among people who take these products for a while and quit due to finances, they just aren't working or side effects like ED?

I looked at the guys photos, I see he's got a nice head of hair and I told him EXACTLY how I felt and the only guy with a brain to agree was Kalpo who was man enough to agree even though we just had a disagreement over something the day before. Kalpo, you are alright by me.

Ok, now that I said this. Forget about everything I said and listen to all these balding scientists who obviously know more than I do. I am just a mailman.

 

[Diamond Dave]

Please ignore the troll! he wants you to lose your hair.

CIG is not a troll Mozart....

You guys are doing a mis-service to newbies when you try to hide information about poisonous shampoos like Nizoral. Here's a link:

http://www.rense.com/general63/nerv.htm

 

[Pondle]

Ok, I take it back. Take Barfafan's advice. He's the expert here.

He knows more than you do.

I know you asked for people's opinions but what you really wanted was exactly what you got.

Sensible opinions are preferable to the kind of unscientific, groudless shite that you and Dave are peddling.

All these other morons telling you to go on Propecia immediately because they can feel better about themselves knowing they "helped" another person go on a drug that probably half of them don't need to be on either.

finasteride is the only clinically proven treatment that can halt male pattern baldness. Your crazy theory offers two things: jack and sh*t, and jack just left town.

I noticed how not one single person mentioned if the guy has enough finances or insurance to pay for the Propecia? Did you tell him about any side effects he might encounter? Is he going to school? What is the drop out rate among people who take these products for a while and quit due to finances, they just aren't working or side effects like ED?

The guy is presumably capable of performing a "search" which will enable him to find a wealth of discussions on sides, suppliers and success rates.

Ok, now that I said this. Forget about everything I said and listen to all these balding scientists who obviously know more than I do. I am just a mailman.

Forgetting everything you said would indeed be a very sensible option. Probably the most sensible thing you've said on this board!