bryan --copper salts

[hammer2012]

i have read somewhere that you mentioned copper salts are 5a recuctase inhibitors- so my question is which copper salts have been tested copper gluconate? sulfate?
what type of 5a reductase do they inhibit; I or II?

have you got the studies??


You have also stated that copper peptides act more like propecia than more like minoxidil... did you mean that copper peptides directly interferes with balding process? is it safe to assume that copper peptides can be used instead of finasteride to achieve similar results?????

 

[hammer2012]

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[Bryan]

i have read somewhere that you mentioned copper salts are 5a recuctase inhibitors- so my question is which copper salts have been tested copper gluconate? sulfate?
what type of 5a reductase do they inhibit; I or II?

It's been a long time ago (years) that I read that study; if I remember correctly, different specific metal ions have different kinds of activity at inhibiting 5a-reductase, both in the degree to which they do that, and in which form of 5a-reductase they work on. I do believe that only copper acts on type 2 (again, if I remember correctly). Unfortunately, that may only be a matter of theoretical concern; I don't know if there have ever been studies showing any effect of applying copper salts to the scalp, and growing hair as a result. By the way, I think applying copper salts to the skin can be very harsh and irritating (depending on exactly how much you apply).

have you got the studies??

You bet! I've still got that study, although it's near the bottom of my Study Stack!

You have also stated that copper peptides act more like propecia than more like minoxidil... did you mean that copper peptides directly interferes with balding process?

It may do that, although probably for different reasons than inhibiting 5a-reductase. I asked Dr. Proctor about that once on alt.baldspot, several years ago. He told me that copper-peptides aren't even salts, but a different kind of chemical bond. They may not even inhibit 5a-reductase at all.

is it safe to assume that copper peptides can be used instead of finasteride to achieve similar results?????

I'd be very suspicious if anybody thinks that copper-peptides could replace finasteride, for the reasons I stated above. Dr. Pickart may hint or imply that they can do that, but I just don't believe it.

 

[hammer2012]

Do you reckon the following treatments are enough to fight Androgenetic Alopecia in terms of halting the process and regrowing hair:
S5 cream or any other spironolactone topical whether DIY or bought+ tricomin + rogaine + prox-n + hair conditioner spray that contains copper gluconate

Is sprinolactone effective enough to replace finasteride? im really trying to avoid finasteride at all cost. Am I right to assume that topical spironolactone is less systematically absorped therefore less side effects? Do you know how much of the drug systematically absorped via topical route? Could you please link me to any studies regarding topical spironolactone and Androgenetic Alopecia?

 

[Bryan]

Do you reckon the following treatments are enough to fight Androgenetic Alopecia in terms of halting the process and regrowing hair:
S5 cream or any other spironolactone topical whether DIY or bought+ tricomin + rogaine + prox-n + hair conditioner spray that contains copper gluconate

I don't know what the purpose of the copper gluconate would be, but I have DEFINITELY used Prox-N all by itself to good advantage for two straight years; therefore, that alone would be a legitimate member of the list of products above that you specified.

Is sprinolactone effective enough to replace finasteride?

Don't know. Might be worth a shot, at the very least.

im really trying to avoid finasteride at all cost. Am I right to assume that topical spironolactone is less systematically absorped therefore less side effects?

Definitely!

Do you know how much of the drug systematically absorped via topical route?

Very little. Topical spironolactone appears to be very safe.

Could you please link me to any studies regarding topical spironolactone and Androgenetic Alopecia?

Sorry, but I don't know of any sources to which to link you. I do have a copy of the Italian study of topical spironolactone, but it's just a paper copy.

 

[Jacob]

I don't know what the purpose of the copper gluconate would be, but I have DEFINITELY used Prox-N all by itself to good advantage for two straight years; therefore, that alone would be a legitimate member of the list of products above that you specified.

And yet after those two years(what has it been since then..15+ years?) you conveniently, supposedly, stopped using the product..didn't even use the NANO shampoo since. Must have been working GREAT :shock:

 

[Bryan]

And yet after those two years(what has it been since then..15+ years?) you conveniently, supposedly, stopped using the product..didn't even use the NANO shampoo since. Must have been working GREAT :shock:

I have REPEATEDLY explained to you in the past why I stopped using those (and other) treatments in the last few years. Do you expect me to keep exlaining that to you over and over and over and over and over?? Not gonna happen: you have to at least have the wit to understand what I say to you in plain English.

 

[Jacob]

I remember the excuse(s) ..don't believe them one bit. What shampoo do you use these days? Any acne products? (noticed he's arguing about goofy stuff at an acne board for years as well)

 

[Bryan]

I remember the excuse(s) ..don't believe them one bit.

What you believe (or DON'T believe) about what I say is of no concern to me at all.

 

[Jacob]

And yet you're concerned enough to respond to it.

See folks..he doesn't even use the shampoo he's been pushing for 15+ years..and won't say what he's using because that would look a little foolish :woot:

 

[hammer2012]

thank you Bryan for your response, I'll certainly add prox-n to the mixture.
Could you also recommend any oral supplement/vitamin that has positive effect on Androgenetic Alopecia? any anti oxidants?




jacob give it a rest, the guy has repeated many times that he no longer uses products as his thinning hair does NOT bother him anymore. Even, I, as a newbiew found out the answer to the question by searching these forums.

 

[Jacob]

The problem with your(yes, a newbie) response/excuse..which is Bryan's...is that ever since he supposedly got any results with the crap(ask for his before/afters) he's stopped using the crap. This isn't something recent that "he no longer cares"..and as you say "his thinning hair does NOT bother him anymore." He's not even using the dang shampoo anymore..supposedly. He's had all this time to say he no longer uses shampoo :woot:

If the stuff actually did squat..he'd have kept up with it. Or at the very least he would have done so beyond those 2 years. But then there's that pesky little problem about ppl asking for updated pictures..

 

[Bryan]

thank you Bryan for your response, I'll certainly add prox-n to the mixture.
Could you also recommend any oral supplement/vitamin that has positive effect on Androgenetic Alopecia? any anti oxidants?

That's a rather controversial issue! There are certain individuals who post here ("Hoppi" is probably the best example of that) who seem to think that dietary supplements are terribly important for fighting male pattern baldness.

The only study I recall ever seeing that found such a beneficial effect from a dietary supplement was one having to do with biotin. I've posted that biotin abstract several times over the years; if you want to read it, do a search on my name, and the word "biotin".

 

[Jacob]

Why would you need a study? Wouldn't a patent and a "Doctor" saying it works be good enough? :dunno:

But there are others..besides (diffuse loss) http://www.andromedical.com/pdf/en/ph_hair_low_dosage.pdf there's "evidence" for good 'ole hair health with MSM..BioSil..etc etc.

 

[Paulgreer]

thank you Bryan for your response, I'll certainly add prox-n to the mixture.
Could you also recommend any oral supplement/vitamin that has positive effect on Androgenetic Alopecia? any anti oxidants?




jacob give it a rest, the guy has repeated many times that he no longer uses products as his thinning hair does NOT bother him anymore. Even, I, as a newbiew found out the answer to the question by searching these forums.

Hey did you get your Prox yet, where did you order it form?

 

[hammer2012]

paulgreer AKA finfighter I DO NOT USE prox. minoxidil and nizoral is all I USE