Bryan, or anyone, testosterone questions...

[CCS]

Also, are you know telling me that you are beginning to believe in the scalp testosterone caused by finasteride/dutasteride use accounting for frontal thinning theory?

If this actually IS the case then I wondered why those with frontal loss even bothered with treatments like finasteride or dutasteride at all.

That is just what I speculated. finasteride and dutasteride should help the front, just not as much as if the testosterone just disappeared. I think we really need spironolactone or RU on the front and can't depend on Avodart alone. That propecia graph in my avatar is from the top of the head, not the front. I'm sure had they measured the front, a lot more than 17% would not have maintained. We bald not just because of too much DHT, but because of sensitive androgen receptors, and they are sensitive to testosterone as well. Even if we did not have 5ar2, I'm sure we would bald in front. Just not as fast.

 

[Bryan]

Geez Bryan, I thought I've read every post on alt.baldspot there was and that was the absolute FIRST time I saw Proctor mention that about frontal loss. Interesting.

Ah, how soon they forget! A deja.com search of alt.baldspot on the words "gradient eyes" with "Proctor" in the "author" field returns about 18 hits.

Here's another test of your memory for you: do you remember what Dr. Proctor has said about the "triangle-of-hair" test for whether or not you're going to experience further balding? I've never seen anybody else mention THAT one here, either. Do you know what I'm talking about? :wink:

Also, are you know telling me that you are beginning to believe in the scalp testosterone caused by finasteride/dutasteride use accounting for frontal thinning theory?

No. I don't buy that theory.

Bryan

 

[Guest]

No. I don't buy that theory.

Bryan

*breathes sigh of relief because he was worried that people kept telling him that he should get on a topical antiandrogen for the front because the possible increase in scalp testosterone from dutasteride would damage his hairline*

 

[Bertie]

Here's another test of your memory for you: do you remember what Dr. Proctor has said about the "triangle-of-hair" test for whether or not you're going to experience further balding? I've never seen anybody else mention THAT one here, either. Do you know what I'm talking about? :wink:

Bryan

When the hairline on the side ( ie., your sideburns and just above )
gets straight up and down and receeds more than 4 cm lateral to the eye, you
will probably not get any balder, tho you may continue to experience
continuing diffuse loss.

Before this happens, it is difficult to predict, except to say that
if you start getting "beard hair" up into the triangle of hair coming out just
above your eye, you are likely to get balder. "Beard Hair" is that krinkly
stuff that grows in your beard.

I'm not sure that I'm correctly visualizing what Proctor is saying here, though. Today I'll make sure to look at some bald people closely like he recommended in some of the other "triangle" posts to see if I can get it.

 

[JWM]

Here's another test of your memory for you: do you remember what Dr. Proctor has said about the "triangle-of-hair" test for whether or not you're going to experience further balding? I've never seen anybody else mention THAT one here, either. Do you know what I'm talking about?

Looks like you stumped me again! Maybe I'm not the alt.baldspot afficianado I thought I was! I blame Ernie's insanity for causing a painful suppresion of useful facts on that message board.

 

[CCS]

I still say that since the front responds worse than the back, topical spironolactone in the front is a good idea if you don't find it a hassel.

 

[Bryan]

When the hairline on the side ( ie., your sideburns and just above ) gets straight up and down and receeds more than 4 cm lateral to the eye, you will probably not get any balder, tho you may continue to experience continuing diffuse loss.

Before this happens, it is difficult to predict, except to say that if you start getting "beard hair" up into the triangle of hair coming out just above your eye, you are likely to get balder. "Beard Hair" is that krinkly stuff that grows in your beard.

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I'm not sure that I'm correctly visualizing what Proctor is saying here, though. Today I'll make sure to look at some bald people closely like he recommended in some of the other "triangle" posts to see if I can get it.

It's very simple, really. Look at that area of hair on the side that runs from your ears up to the top of your scalp (it includes the "sideburn" area). Now look at the front edge of that area of hair: you'll notice that on most guys, you can see that it's not a STRAIGHT LINE all the way from the ears to the top of your scalp, but there's a smallish area about an inch or so above the top of your ears where the hair juts forward a little bit. It forms sort of a little "triangle" of hair about the size of a nickle, or maybe a quarter in some guys. THAT is what we're talking about!

If you have a very pronounced "triangle" of hair there, instead of having a vertical hairline that runs straight up and down, then you're in for some additional balding (according to this theory). If it IS straight up and down and the triangle of hair has faded away over the years, then your balding is probably mostly stabilized.

Interesting theory/observation, isn't it?

Bryan

 

[LookingGood!]

Very interesting but I can't seem to buy into this theory. Did Dr Proctor perform any scientific studies that were peer reviewed? OOOPs there are no peers in this field. :?

 

[Old Baldy]

Bryan wrote:

Interesting theory/observation, isn't it?

No, there's nothing interesting about it at all!! :wink:

(Hint: Look at my avatar.)

 

[Bryan]

Bryan wrote:

Interesting theory/observation, isn't it?

No, there's nothing interesting about it at all!! :wink:

(Hint: Look at my avatar.)

That's it!! You can see the "triangle" of hair in Old Baldy's avatar!

 

[Bryan]

Very interesting but I can't seem to buy into this theory. Did Dr Proctor perform any scientific studies that were peer reviewed?

My assumption is that Dr. Proctor himself had nothing to do with it. I'm sure it was an observation that some other doctor made, and has since spread around the dermatological community.

Bryan

 

[htownballa]

Well my "triangle" is pretty much gone and I KNOW im in for some additional balding

 

[Bryan]

Ok, I'll bite: how do you know you are??

 

[Guest]

Bryan,

Is this a triangle? Does that mean I'm in for additional balding? I can't tell but I'm almost certain it is.

http://img101.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pics052hl2.jpg

Are you talking about the triangle thing at both ends of the forehead? Can you tell how bad the balding will be by the size and depth of the triangle?

 

[LookingGood!]

If it is, I am in the same boat. Hey maybe the theory is an urban legend!!!!!!!!!

 

[Bryan]

JayMan, I can't tell from that pic. Looks like there's some longer, loose hair in that area that is obscuring the view underneath.

Bryan

 

[Guest]

Damn, is this any better to see?

http://img97.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pics010bk3.jpg

I gotta take a clearer picture somehow.

Edit:

And here's a picture of Russ Feingold:

He looks like he has the triangles which mean he will bald farther? But he's an NW1 at like age 55.

 

[Nathaniel]

Damn, is this any better to see?

http://img97.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pics010bk3.jpg

I gotta take a clearer picture somehow.

Edit:

And here's a picture of Russ Feingold:

He looks like he has the triangles which mean he will bald farther? But he's an NW1 at like age 55.

Jay, I think you need to aim that camera a bit lower. It would help if you can take a more lateral pic, similar to Old Baldy's avatar.

Russ looks like his triangle has faded a bit.........

So upon review, I now think I'm seriously screwed (according to this theory)

 

[grimes]

Here's another test of your memory for you: do you remember what Dr. Proctor has said about the "triangle-of-hair" test for whether or not you're going to experience further balding? I've never seen anybody else mention THAT one here, either. Do you know what I'm talking about? :wink:

Bryan

When the hairline on the side ( ie., your sideburns and just above )
gets straight up and down and receeds more than 4 cm lateral to the eye, you
will probably not get any balder, tho you may continue to experience
continuing diffuse loss.

Before this happens, it is difficult to predict, except to say that
if you start getting "beard hair" up into the triangle of hair coming out just
above your eye, you are likely to get balder. "Beard Hair" is that krinkly
stuff that grows in your beard.

I'm not sure that I'm correctly visualizing what Proctor is saying here, though. Today I'll make sure to look at some bald people closely like he recommended in some of the other "triangle" posts to see if I can get it.

hah, that's one crazy theory. wish it was true though, as my 'triangle' is near gone.

 

[Balding_1]

Thats an interesting theory. In "The Untouchables" Kevin Costner's triangle is pretty much non existent which makes him look pretty good. His hair hasnt changed too much, aside from natural aging, since that movie. He has always had a high forehead which I think he pulls off very well.