Bryan Prox-N & Shampoo Photos

[BoilerRoom]

Does anyone know the concentration of Graftcyte spray? I'm hoping to dilute it to the % usd in the study.

 

[Quantum Cat]

I'm just going to bite the bullet and order Prox-n.


What really has me interested is Concentrated Graftcyte Spray but my initial thread about it got moved to the transplant section. It's just so damn expensive.

I refuse to buy Tricomin anymore because they dye their spray blue and do not state their peptide %. At least Graftcyte doesn't use dye, so there must be a decent amount in there.

what's wrong with dying it blue? I thought Tric was the best copper peptide solution on the market

 

[BoilerRoom]

I'm just going to bite the bullet and order Prox-n.


What really has me interested is Concentrated Graftcyte Spray but my initial thread about it got moved to the transplant section. It's just so damn expensive.

I refuse to buy Tricomin anymore because they dye their spray blue and do not state their peptide %. At least Graftcyte doesn't use dye, so there must be a decent amount in there.

what's wrong with dying it blue? I thought Tric was the best copper peptide solution on the market

I know a lot of people love Tricomin -I myself currently use it and it makes my scalp feel healthy - but it does not state the peptide concentration anywhere, neither on the bottle or on their website. They could use a minuscule amount for all we know.

Tricomin could simply feel good because it has menthol and other ingredients that soothe the scalp. For me at least, any itch or irritation I have is cleared up pretty fast, which is WAY too quick a reaction for it to be due to the copper peptides. If I wanted to simply sooth my scalp, I can find other ways for a lot cheaper (aloe, emu, various organic dry, itchy scalp sprays with menthol).


The copper-peptides are naturally blue (which is why the Graftcyte spray is blue despite using no dyes) so Tricomin dyes it blue to appear like there is an abundant amount in there. THERE IS NO OTHER REASON TO DYE IT BLUE, plain and simple.

I'm not reordering it until they state their peptide % or at least stop dying it blue. That is why I'm interested in the Graftcyte Spray, which I could dilute myself to limit the overall expense. In fact, one MIGHT be able to dilute it 3X its current amount, which would about equal in cost Tricomin month to month, and still get more effectiveness.

 

[JWM]

The concentration used in the trials was at 2.5%

Years ago on Alt.baldspot the makers would not give the exact percentage but said it feel somewhere between 1.5 and 2.5 (if I recall) implying that it was around 2%. They also stated that the vehicle used in the commercial product available to us now was better than the one used in the trials and therefore compensates for the lesser percentage.

That's the best info. we could ever get on the subject

 

[Nuli]

About to two weeks into my proxiphen/nano regimen, im already seeing many new hairs on my hairline! Im very excited about seeing my results in the months to come. I have faith in Dr.Proctor.

 

[Quantum Cat]

rats, I just bought 2 more bottles of tric. I think I might migrate over to dr. Proctor's stuff, or Nanogaine.

 

[BoilerRoom]

rats, I just bought 2 more bottles of tric. I think I might migrate over to dr. Proctor's stuff, or Nanogaine.

Use it. There very well could be around 2% in there for all we know. I'm purely speculating.


I just hate how I can buy vitamins and basically get info on the exact ECGC and polyphenol content in a green tea extract capsule but we can't even fuc**** get Procyte to state how much peptides they are putting in there.


I just think it sets a bad precedent that hair loss treatment manufacturers can get some results in trials, then basically obscure the ingredient % in their products and then keep referring to those trials.

Dr. Proctor doesn't even state his % of anything, and I actually buy his stuff. It's just so damn frustrating. At least when I buy spironolactone from Dr. Lee I know, well at least he is claiming, that it is 5%.....Is it that damn hard to tell us what's in it.

 

[BoilerRoom]

They most likely obscure the ingredient % so if we ever had a third party test what it actually consists of, as long as there is even some amount of that ingredient in there they can't sued.

It doesn't matter if there is only trace amounts of copper peptide, TEMPOL, or PBN...It gives them free reign to make whatever god damn concoction with the ingredient list they want.

 

[Bryan]

The copper-peptides are naturally blue (which is why the Graftcyte spray is blue despite using no dyes) so Tricomin dyes it blue to appear like there is an abundant amount in there. THERE IS NO OTHER REASON TO DYE IT BLUE, plain and simple.

I'm not reordering it until they state their peptide % or at least stop dying it blue.

But they don't state the peptide % for EITHER Tricomin or Graftcyte. Why has that become a deal-breaker for you for Tricomin, but not for Graftcyte?

That is why I'm interested in the Graftcyte Spray, which I could dilute myself to limit the overall expense. In fact, one MIGHT be able to dilute it 3X its current amount, which would about equal in cost Tricomin month to month, and still get more effectiveness.

Why don't you just use proportionately LESS Graftcyte than you would Tricomin? I just don't like the general idea of diluting any of these commercial products, if I can avoid it. Not even with purified water.

BTW, there's another potentially important issue here which hasn't been mentioned or discussed in this thread: those two products (Tricomin and Graftcyte) use different copper-peptides! Tricomin uses alanine/histidine/lysine-copper, whereas Graftcyte uses the same GHK peptide that's in Iamin (also known as prezatide copper acetate). I suspect that GHK may be more effective as a wound-healing agent (hence its use post-transplantation), but the Tricomin peptide may actually be better at growing or maintaining hair. Obviously, that complicates things considerably for you.

 

[Bryan]

Dr. Proctor doesn't even state his % of anything, and I actually buy his stuff. It's just so damn frustrating.

Ahem. Well, he _has_ discussed the frequently changing levels of minoxidil in Proxiphen, at the very least: first it was 2%, then it went up to 5.5%, then it went back down to 2%!

 

[Petchsky]

I suspect that GHK may be more effective as a wound-healing agent (hence its use post-transplantation), but the Tricomin peptide may actually be better at growing or maintaining hair. Obviously, that complicates things considerably for you.

What about Folligen? I thought that got better results post op than Graftcyte according to the skin biology website.

 

[Babeart]

Bryan

I wonder I wanna use Proxiphen but is proxiphen greasy , stick and every application after wash hair ?

Because rogaine is not greasy and stick ?

is it powerful rogaine or proxiphen for regrowth hair

 

[HT55]

me

Are you possibly hinting your "success" on Proxy N is even remotely similiar to someone keeping their hair on Propecia ?

Of course.

So a guy maintaining his hair for years and you turning a 3 inch bald spot into a 2 7/8 inch bald spot are on the same level as far a success goes ?


:jackit:

 

[HT55]

I had to provide a very hypothetical situation having to do with finasteride, just to make you understand and admit that if a treatment does nothing but halt further hair loss, it can still be considered a "success".

Sorry Bryan you had a huge bald spot when you started Proxy and huge bald spot 2 years later. Many men get large bald spots and their baldness does not progress further.

There is no way of knowing if proxy kept your current level of baldness or you just weren't going to lose any more hair.

If we believe your logic than every man would progress to a Norwood 7.

 

[BoilerRoom]

Can someone repost these god damn pictures.

 

[HT55]

Can someone repost these god damn pictures.

Bryans Photos ?

 

[Nuli]

Bryan

I wonder I wanna use Proxiphen but is proxiphen greasy , stick and every application after wash hair ?

Because rogaine is not greasy and stick ?

is it powerful rogaine or proxiphen for regrowth hair

Proxiphen isn't greasy at all, its a cream base. I find it spreads pretty well when you damp your scalp with water before applying.

 

[Bryan]

What about Folligen? I thought that got better results post op than Graftcyte according to the skin biology website.

Did Dr. Pickart actually make that claim?

 

[Bryan]

So a guy maintaining his hair for years and you turning a 3 inch bald spot into a 2 7/8 inch bald spot are on the same level as far a success goes ?

:jackit:

I'm not entirely sure what you mean when you rather cryptically say "on the same level as far a success goes", but my response would generally have to be "Yes, of course".

 

[HT55]

So a guy maintaining his hair for years and you turning a 3 inch bald spot into a 2 7/8 inch bald spot are on the same level as far a success goes ?

:jackit:

I'm not entirely sure what you mean when you rather cryptically say "on the same level as far a success goes", but my response would generally have to be "Yes, of course".

That's comical.

It's like if you car stalled every 15 minutes and you brought it to a mechanic and he fixed it so it now stalls only every 20 minutes. It was "successful" in making the car run another 5 minutes but the car still stalls.

One guy was never bald, kept all his hair (or most) on a drug and another guy (YOU) was bald and still is bald.

Those scenarios are like night and day.

At least you used Propecia for your hypothetical situation and not Prox N