Bush Won

[Whoome?]

LOL look at you guys whine!!

This hairloss site is a lot more liberal than the one I usually post at. I like that. I really can't fathom how anyone suffering from hairloss could be pumped about another four years of Bush. "Yaaay! Now they'll never come up with a cure! YES!" I hope every dirt-bag Ohioan who's out of work stays out of work, every immigrant in Florida suffers the wrath of the Bush Bros. That is, those who didn't vote Kerry. If this country could just get a glimpse of itself from a nonUS point of view for five seconds... Today is a shameful day to be American. The next four years are a frightening time to be a human

Mind elaborating on how by Bush winning will effect negatively in us finding a cure for hairloss and jobloss in Ohio and immigrants in florida? I would very much like to hear your views.

...I will laugh when the republicans introduce conscription.....

They already did except it was the two democrats who did it, and guess how many votes they got for the draft bill? yes a whole ONE vote, the irony was that one of the creators of the bill didn't even vote for his own bill.... Keep on whinning you naive liberals.

 

[Guest]

Spidy182, if conscription is eased into place over the next few years it will be because of George Bush's 'war on terror', people won't give a hoot who got it introduced.

I rather think it might be you who may find himself whinning. LOL

if you thought your age may get you off the hook, have look at this:

The chief of the Selective Service System has proposed registering women for the military draft and requiring that young Americans regularly inform the government about whether they have training in niche specialties needed in the armed services.

The proposal, also seeks to extend the age of draft registration to 34 years old, up from 25.

"In line with today's needs, the Selective Service System's structure, programs and activities should be re-engineered toward maintaining a national inventory of American men and, for the first time, women, ages 18 through 34, with an added focus on identifying individuals with critical skills," the agency said in a Feb. 11, 2003, proposal presented to senior Pentagon officials.


With US troops being stretched with increased homeland security, the continuing operations in Afganistan, the war in Iraq and many other smaller US commitments a limited form of conscription would always have to be considered, and more so in the light of new fronts possibly being opened up in George Bush's 'war on terror', Iran and North Korea being the obvious candidates. Not to mention growing problems in Africa and a slow withdrawal of coalition support in Iraq.

 

[Guest]

...I will laugh when the republicans introduce conscription.....

They already did except it was the two democrats who did it, and guess how many votes they got for the draft bill? yes a whole ONE vote, the irony was that one of the creators of the bill didn't even vote for his own bill.... Keep on whinning you naive liberals.

That bill was introduced in january 2003 !!!!

Back then you guys were still looking for WMD and getting the "Mission Accomplished" banner ready.

The Amrican death toll from Iraq was 0, and the whole thing was expected to be over in 4 months

I think the 'situation on the ground' has changed considerably since then.

 

[Guest]

"I liked kerry's 25 minute speech. I swear I almost saw a tear. "

I liked Bush's acceptance speech. I swear he almost pronouned all the words correctly. As for the picture of the baby, that's probably the most intelligent statement any republican has made in the past three months. Cheerio!

 

[Whoome?]

tynanW yes people do give a hoot about who introduces the draft. Notice how you never heard anything about the draft bill by the two democrats, but you hear so much about how bush is going to reinstate draft when there hasn't been "any" solid evidence to support it. You would think everyone would be jumping on the two democrats who not only thought about the draft, but had the audacity to introduce a bill for it. But of course the main stream media would never do that...

I won't whine about it, know why? Because I am in the military and I was amongst the reservists who got called up and ended up serving 1 1/2 of active duty rather than a year. If thats what it takes, then thats what should be done.

I like how you only showed part of the article but neglected to also include this part...

The agency officials acknowledged that they would have "to market the concept" of a female draft to Congress, which ultimately would have to authorize such a step.

Dan Amon, a spokesman for the Selective Service System, based in Arlington, Va., said that the Pentagon has taken no action on the proposal to expand draft registration.

"These ideas were only being floated for Department of Defense consideration," Amon said. He described the proposal as "food for thought" for contingency planning.

Navy Lt. Cmdr. Jane Campbell, a spokeswoman for the Defense Department, said the Pentagon "has not agreed to, nor even suggested, a change to Selective Service's current missions."

or this

Some of the skill areas where the armed forces are facing "critical shortages" include linguists and computer specialists, the agency said. Americans would then be required to regularly update the agency on their skills until they reach age 35.

Individuals proficient in more than one critical skill would list the skill in which they have the greatest degree of competency.

which suggests why they may be extending the age for, "special skills" not just because they need anyone they can get.

 

[Whoome?]

Alopecia-nate

Mind elaborating on how by Bush winning will effect negatively in us finding a cure for hairloss and jobloss in Ohio and immigrants in florida? I would very much like to hear your views.

This hairloss site is a lot more liberal than the one I usually post at. I like that. I really can't fathom how anyone suffering from hairloss could be pumped about another four years of Bush. "Yaaay! Now they'll never come up with a cure! YES!" I hope every dirt-bag Ohioan who's out of work stays out of work, every immigrant in Florida suffers the wrath of the Bush Bros. That is, those who didn't vote Kerry. If this country could just get a glimpse of itself from a nonUS point of view for five seconds... Today is a shameful day to be American. The next four years are a frightening time to be a human

 

[Matgallis]

Real mature, dude.

I suppose you'd be happy if your guy lost?

I didn't know posting a picture about a crying democrate would be considered immature. If it offends u, I honestly don't care. :-x

 

[Whoome?]

Matgallis get used to it..

They will always cry and whine, thats how they get their way.
As the saying goes the "The squeaky wheel gets the oil".

So by pointing out the fact that they cry will only make them cry about it some more.

 

[Guest]

Notice how you never heard anything about the draft bill by the two democrats, but you hear so much about how bush is going to reinstate draft when there hasn't been "any" solid evidence to support it.

I hardly think the Bush administration would do anything other than point blank refute any talk of conscription in an election year, but the fact remains, with the US over-stretched in Iraq (your 1 year to 1.5 year extension being another example) conscription will always be an issue in the back of an administrations mind and with future plans to rid the world of 'Evil'©USA2004 (Iran, North Korea etc) that thought may find it's way toward the front of this administrations mind.

I like how you only showed part of the article but neglected to also include this part...

yeah, there is a load more.

which suggests why they may be extending the age for, "special skills" not just because they need anyone they can get.

True, they are not going to pick anyone for active duty, but my general point remains, chop it any way you like, because of George Bush's 'war on terror' it is not implausable that America will consider drafting in the next few years.

Yours Whinning safely in the UK

Ty

 

[Guest]

"Mind elaborating on how by Bush winning will effect negatively in us finding a cure for hairloss and jobloss in Ohio and immigrants in florida? I would very much like to hear your views."

Not at all, my ephebic twit. The next Big cure for hairloss is going to come from stem-cell research, and Bush has effectively halted said research due to his ban on federal funding for new stem-cell lines: "When he [Bush] announced his policy, the president said there were "more than 60" such genetically diverse stem cell lines available. In 2003 nearly $25 million of federal funding was spent on them.

At the time, we thought that was a reasonable compromise but felt the issue should be reviewed as the science evolved. And in the past few years, the facts have indeed changed: It now seems that not 60 to 70 but fewer than 20 stem cell lines are, in practice, available for research.

Despite this change, Bush has not yet seen fit to revise the policy, and he has not given any indication he ever will. As a result, some scientists at Harvard University and elsewhere have begun an intensive search for private funding." http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Conten ... 0599119419
(More where that came from.)

As for job loss in Ohio, it is common knowledge to those who read newspapers that the economy in Ohio is about the worst in the whole country, due in no small part to Bush's pillaging of the economy. "Ohio's economy has generally lagged while other states' have recovered. The state unemployment rate stood at 5.8 percent in April, up from 5.7 percent in March, according to the state's Department of Job and Family Services. Of the 214,500 jobs that the state has lost since Bush took office, 168,200 have been in manufacturing." http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/ar ... May31.html (More where that came from.)

As for immigrants in general, not just in Florida, Bush has waged a class war on America with his heavy-handed tax cuts for those who make 200k and over. The typical immigrant isn't part of this financial elite. Furthermore, his thinly-veiled attempts at exploiting immigrant labor via the work pass legislation he's trying to push through, as well as the fact that he didn't ONCE meet with the NAACP during his first term, all make for an immigrant/minority unfriendly president. Make sense, Rambo?

 

[Whoome?]

I hardly think the Bush administration would do anything other than point blank refute any talk of conscription in an election year, but the fact remains, with the US over-stretched in Iraq (your 1 year to 1.5 year extension being another example) conscription will always be an issue in the back of an administrations mind and with future plans to rid the world of 'Evil'©USA2004 (Iran, North Korea etc) that thought may find it's way toward the front of this administrations mind.

Once again thats just pure speculation. If speculation with no solid evidence was ok, then we can always turn around and speculate that the invasion of Iraq was purely called for.

#1 Saddam was funding terrorist groups like hamas thus he should automatically be linked to osama bin ladin since he has connections with numerous terrorists groups one of which is hamas.

#2 UN inspectors were ineffective in Iraq, since there were satellite photos that captured convoy trucks exiting the opposite side of the compounds, as inspectors were entering the compounds.

#3 Since several european countries were benefiting from the oil for food program with iraq, they could have been supplying iraq with weapons and intelligence.

These above are all speculations mixed with *real* facts.

I can speculate all day tynanW... and so can you. So why do it?

 

[Guest]

For the reasons I have given, I do genuinely think the US administration will consider conscription in the coming years, if you think I am way off here say so. Can you honestly put your name to a statement like the one below..?

The US in the face of reduced coalition support, increased homeland security, continued operations in Afganistan, increased (and probably extended) duties in Iraq, possible forays into new 'evil' countries will never consider conscription of any kind.

This is no personal fantasy of mine, there are many who believe this may eventually be considered a viable option.

Does your point on 'speculation' mean we should only discuss things that have passed ? surely this is not in keeping with the new 'pre-emptive' thinking of the US administration.

 

[Whoome?]

Not at all, my ephebic twit

LOL how mature is that Mr. Hypocrite?

The next Big cure for hairloss is going to come from stem-cell research, and Bush has effectively halted said research due to his ban on federal funding for new stem-cell lines: "When he [Bush] announced his policy, the president said there were "more than 60" such genetically diverse stem cell lines available.

Once again liberal's half fed truth.
First Bush does not ban "all" stem cell research, only embroynic stem cells. Does that mean no stem cell research at all? of course not, there are many other sources where you can obtain stem cells other than "living human embroys".

Second show me some proof that embryonic stem cells will cure hairloss.

Here let me help, heres some proof that stem cells can cure hairloss,
http://www.rockefeller.edu/pubinfo/news ... 1504_a.php

but notice how it mentions adult stem cells.. yes thats right..

As for job loss in Ohio, it is common knowledge to those who read newspapers that the economy in Ohio is about the worst in the whole country, due in no small part to Bush's pillaging of the economy. "Ohio's economy has generally lagged while other states' have recovered. The state unemployment rate stood at 5.8 percent in April, up from 5.7 percent in March, according to the state's Department of Job and Family Services. Of the 214,500 jobs that the state has lost since Bush took office, 168,200 have been in manufacturing."

Yes Ohio isn't doing so good.. yess we had a reccession and two wars all in a presidency...casulty are in the millions.. we've got food rations...running out of stockings for women.. theres a draft.. unemployment is at a high of 25%!!! oh woah!!! how "shameful" is it to be an American now...

OH WAIT!!! yes we did have a reccession and two wars in a presidency..
we even got attacked in our homeland killing thousands within hours.

Is that all you can do is whine about jobloss in a single state? Come on !!
why dont you look at how your forefathers dealt with war and reccession. Can you honestly say you were effected soley by the war or by Bush?
NO, so stop whinning and feeling shameful.

As for immigrants in general, not just in Florida, Bush has waged a class war on America with his heavy-handed tax cuts for those who make 200k and over. The typical immigrant isn't part of this financial elite. Furthermore, his thinly-veiled attempts at exploiting immigrant labor via the work pass legislation he's trying to push through, as well as the fact that he didn't ONCE meet with the NAACP during his first term, all make for an immigrant/minority unfriendly president. Make sense, Rambo?

Once again you are very selective in your facts. You pick what is helpful to your cause, at the same time neglecting everything else.

Explain these following.

#1 Doubling the child tax credit
#2Reducing the marriage penalty
#3 Eliminating the death tax
#4Cuts the current 15 percent tax bracket to 10 percent for the first $6,000 of taxable income for singles, the first $10,000 for single parents, and the first $12,000 for married couples

Alrite now figures are good and all now lets see if it is really effecting these so called "immangrants/minorities". Hey! look my parents are Immgrants thats right we came to the US in 91, and up till now they've gotten a higher return in tax credits than ever before. Why? because it works! As simple as that. Make sense Mr. Hypocrite?

 

[Whoome?]

For the reasons I have given, I do genuinely think the US administration will consider conscription in the coming years, if you think I am way off here say so. Can you honestly put your name to a statement like the one below..?

The US in the face of reduced coalition support, increased homeland security, continued operations in Afganistan, increased (and probably extended) duties in Iraq, possible forays into new 'evil' countries will never consider conscription of any kind.

Yes its called the Bush and Kerry plan. By adding additional divisions to the Active Duty Army, and by restructuring the current army into a more deployable self sustaining entity. Will it work? I honestly don't know, but by kerry winning it would still be the same plan.

This is no personal fantasy of mine, there are many who believe this may eventually be considered a viable option.

Does your point on 'speculation' mean we should only discuss things that have passed ? surely this is not in keeping with the new 'pre-emptive' thinking of the US administration.

Sure you can discuss these things all you want, the if's, could of's, would of's, maybes. I just think its useless when its just pure speculation with 0 solid evidence to support it.

 

[Whoome?]

I must say tynanW, your avatar was extremely hypnotizing during last few exchange of posts. =P

 

[Matgallis]

Mind giving the full article instead of the chopped one?

 

[Jaygee]

Look, the problem with a lot of political tit-for-tat is that it focuses on a lot of small stuff without looking at the big picture. The big picture is, unfortunately, very difficult to grasp since the media has become so fragmented. People don't just have different opinions. That's expected. They have different *&#%ing FACTS! Seriously. There is absolutely no hope of honest debate when pundits' and politicians alike say "Black!" "White!" "No, Black!" "White, I say!!"

You will find intelligent, sophisticated people on both sides saying completely opposing things. It makes no sense at all.

I am horrified that Bush won. My reasons are many, but overall I am just mystified as to why people trust this administration so much. I do not understand why 51% of the population, when it comes down to it, BELIEVES what these people say. Yes, we all know politicians and lies go together like like salt and pepper, but to us 49%, this bunch has taken the art of misleading to a whole new level.

To all Republicans here, I want to stress somethng. Certainly there are partisan issues involved here. Plenty of them. But this matter has gone WAY beyond the issue of whether you're a Repulican or Democrat. It stopped being about that long ago. The anger with this administration has completely transcended party issues. To put it simply, we believe the very existence of our fragile American democracy is in trouble.

I used to laugh it off as silly when people talked about our "slow but steady slide towards fascism." I am not laughing anymore. We are certainly no Nazi Germany or Fascist Italy and never will be, but something much subtler and slower is happening here. While corporations and big business have had our leaders wrapped around their fingers for decades now, the problems are now only intensifying. I am appalled that Republican voters don't, at the very least, view the Halliburton contract in Iraq with suspicion. I do not know the exact quote, but Orwell once said, basically, "If the government says there is democracy, and the people believe there is democracy, then there is democracy." Our freedom that Bush is so fond of celebrating in cheap, shallow rhetoric is slowly being infringed on from a dozen directions, all in the name of, indeed--- "freedom". The word has become a meaningless uniting buzzword that instantly produces nodding heads but that no one actually stops to consider the true meaning of. Look around you. This is the most secretive, exclusive, stubborn, hawkish, impersonal administration that ever led the U.S. in the modern age. Nearly everything they have done has been shrouded in secrecy. Outsiders are not let in. Bush's homespun, cheerful good-ol'-boy image is the mask this administration disguises itself with. If the nominal president were Dick Cheney, they would have a much tougher sell.
Lest I sound like an X-Files conspiracy theorist type, I only point to, as I have in the past, Project for the New Amercan Century. Google, along with "Cheney, Wolfowitz, Kristol, 1992, 1997, and 2000." Any few of those in combination. This openly imperialist plan has been out in the open for years, yet no one is questioning the true motives of these people.
Republicans often say "so where are all these people who the Patriot Act has hurt? They probably don't even exist." They exist, all right. Wait until you are tapped for some activity or library book that at one time would have been innocuous. Certainly they are not watching everybody all the time, but we are much closer to approaching that than we ever have been.
People seem to value the US being "strong" above everything else. What does strong mean to you? Militarily powerful? That's what it means to the administration. What about being just? What about compassionate? What about cooperative? The government makes moderate stabs at appearing to be these things, and sometimes genuinely does so (like when we went into Liberia last summer), but it's clear that they are far more interested in taking advantage of the dead Cold War to become an imperialist power.

The GOP often accuses the Democrats of playing to voters emotions and avoiding logic. I ask you, in what possible way could the Bush people play more extremely to people's emotions, avoiding any deep insight? The religious conservatives, the evangelicals, the "moral values" workoing-class crowd---they play these people like a fiddle. All they have to do is talk about gays, guns, or religion, and the Christian crowd will jump off a cliff for them. That's all it seems to take, and that's all the administration wants or needs. There are no George Wills or William Buckleys speaking for this crew. (Why Will and Buckley themselves don't look down on all this eludes me.)

Does no one remember just how determined our leaders were to go to war? Does no one remember how thousands of people were predicting EXACTLY the situation that has now unfolded---insurgencies and destabilization? Does no one, above all remember that Bush himself said that the whole Iraq mission would take mere months? He denies he said it, but I clearly remember.

Secrecy, half-truths, simplistic emotional baiting, very suspicious motives, hawkish histories, absolutely no compromising, oil industry ties, Saudi oil ties, questionable military decisions, responsibility evasion, prisoner abuse, secret measures for detainees, dodging of the Geneva Conventions, belittling the already troubled UN, overstretching the military, cutting taxes during a war, reluctance to build a 9/11 commission, barely cooperating with it, the president's inability to testify without Cheney, unanswered questions about the events of 9/11, the disparity of Bush and Cheney's stories...I could go on.

What I am trying to say is, above all, above partisan party disagreements, this bunch is dangerous. Their motives, right from the beginning, have been suspect. If I give them the benefit of the doubt for a moment and say that they are all only interested in benefitting us all and are decently honest, surely you can admit they they give us EVERY reason to be suspicious. Nothing adds up. I do not have all the facts and neither do you. If I am ignorant of something you feel I should know, please tell me. But what I do see makes me very, very afraid for the future. Whether our leaders even realize it or will admit it to themselves, they are underming our extremely fragile democracy and, by extension, the very course of American civilization.

With Kerry, at least there would have been a faint glimmer of hope.

 

[Guest]

Jaygee if ever you find yourself in London in the ol' U of K you are welcome to stay at my place.

 

[Odelay]

My post......my how have you grown over the last few days, I hardly even recognize you anymore. :lol:

Admit it or not a lot of Democrats still feel ripped off from 2000, I doubt many Democrats this election who voted for Gore last time voted for Bush this time, and vise versa. Even if we did not invade Iraq there would still be this underlying animosity towards Bush, Iraq was just another nudge towards returning everything to the normal.

The other thing is Bush will start pulling troops out of Europe and other non-hostile areas and increase the size of the military long before a draft would ever be considered, and that is only if there is a need to extend the long term build up of troops in Iraq. Most likely Iraq will turn into place like Israel where bombings and killings are a normal part of the their life, which is sad and also very similar to what was going on in Iraq when Saddam was in power.

You are right Jaygee you are sounding like the "X-Files conspiracy theorist type." What you forget is that corporations or very weathy individuals have had presidents on their sides well before any of our times, nothing has changed, saying that this is all new is indeed beyond belief. And of course any hard line Democrat can't forget to mention the Patriot Act, because after all it is part of the big 3 topics that all Dems must mention when griping about the current administration and from your post you seem to even added a few that just missed the list. To be honest you're ranting and the wild claims go beyond a conspiracy theorist, but hey that's your belief and I could care less about changing your opinion.

What you need to realize is that if you want to find the real truth then you need to take your beliefs and move them 50% to the right.

 

[TortoiseAndHair]

Here's my theory.

Gay marriage decided this election. People feel so strongly about this issue that they came out in droves to prevent it from happenning.

I'm actually kinda shocked. Why does anyone care if two dudes wanna get married? Is it really hurting anyone?