Can Loniten Work in Conjunction with Topical Minoxidil????????

[massa]

Can Loniten be used as a substitute for days of topical minoxidil. My hair is terrible I cant apply minoxidil at all with out having to wash it out after a few hours later if I want to look presentable in public. If im out a lot I will wear toppik so I obviously cant apply it then. The only time I apply minoxidil is if I have time to wash it out in the morning or am spending the day at home which isn't that often. By taking Loniten are you correlating the procedure with topicals if you know what I mean? So orally it works in conjunction with topical ? Since starting Loniten about six weeks ago ive noticed hairs growing on my upper arms and forehead area above my eyebrows which means it is working and its not much of an issue as I can just shave it for now. On the plus side I am also seeing the same small hairs growing in my right temple that was previously bald . Overall my hair still feels kind of thin though, I know these things take time and I honestly have no side effects either but probably wouldn't advocate the use of this unless you are crazy like me !

But would they work if one day I covered my head in minoxidil and the next day I pop a Loniten?

 

[zdm632]

I think you can "safely" drop the topical minoxidil if you use oral one. And get rid of the hassle of applying topicals, too.
This "make your hair look like **** 2 times/day by putting soe greasy liquid in there" is maybe a joke from the inventors of it. It is a totally unpractical thing to do.
I am also on loniten for 7 weeks, there appears o be good improvement in the thickness of my hairs in the crown, and, i hope, in the front also.
Oral minoxidil is much much powerful than topical one. I assume the absorption from topical is minimal in some people.
So, if you take loniten, what's the point for still using topical minoxidil?

 

[Wolf Pack]

I was thinking of maybe adding Oral minoxidil in 6 months if I am not happy with growth at the front. Saves me going for a hair transplant so it is something I am contemplating for real. What doses are you guys taking? I assume 5 mg daily. I've done some research but not in depth. Seems at that this dosage you don't get sides like oedema or decrease in BP? Anyone feeling light headed/dizzy?

Ironically only the decrease in collagen synthesis (if taken orally, there was a trial) will put me off in 6 months.

 

[zdm632]

Yes, i take 5 mg. I have no sides, in fact, i am bit hypertensive, and it seems to reduce my BP a bit, so that's a good effect.

 

[Wolf Pack]

The lazy and daring are attracted to take oral over the topical unk:

I refuse to use anything topical, doesn't fit in with my life. Thank god for pills.

Thanks zdm. I'll decide I guess. My BP is on the low side (healthy though) so this might be an issue. Keep thinking if I am good responder like someone called Raz on here, he grew loads at the front from topical minoxidil. This would save me going for a hair transplant. I can see my follicles and soft hair at the front so will give finasteride 6 months more and then decide. Some have gone terminal already and this area was all empty before.

 

[maxou]

Yes, i take 5 mg. I have no sides, in fact, i am bit hypertensive, and it seems to reduce my BP a bit, so that's a good effect.

Any good results?

 

[zdm632]

Any good results?

It's still early, but yes,definite noticeable thickening at the crown hairs, and fine hairs appearing on the hairline.
Practically the peach fuzz vellus hairs who were white/colorless start to get darker, even if it's still very thin.
I also got darker tiny hairs on my forehead, practically in the original juvenile area, who has been bald for years.
So i think these are good signs.

 

[massa]

I still use the topical minoxidil as it's my vehicle for RU, but I'm kind of lapse about applying it everyday , I might quit as I can't afford another batch of RU right now ! I read somewhere that the benefits of Loniten take at least a few months though and before any scalp hair thickening you'd notice body hair getting thicker. Within I few weeks my arm hair is blacker and thicker which makes me look more masculine plus it helps thicken eyebrows and eyelashes which also gives a more youthful look (as long as you shave those hairs that grow around your forehead ) . Oral minoxidil gets a bad rep but I take 20mg per day which is a high dose and haven't noticed anything abnormal . I'm quite young and healthy so maybe this is the reason but I don't understand why more people don't try it , as I'm seeing results that I never ever saw from applying that sticky greasy junk to my head .

 

[Wolf Pack]

I take 10 mg of oral Minoxidil daily. I've been taking it for only two weeks, I haven't suffered any side effects. My hair is still a bit thin, though is starting to feel thicker, stronger, and healthier. I think taking doses of 10 mg and below of oral Minoxidil is far too low to cause any oedema, especially in the long term. I have not experience any dizziness, light-headedness, swelling of hands and feet, chest tightness, rapid heart beat, nothing. I used topical Minoxidil for a while and never got any side effects, so I assumed that maybe I can take Minoxidil orally without any side effects as well, and that seems to be the case. About BP, I think you can even take up to 20 mg and still have little effect on it. People who take oral Minoxidil for BP usually take like 50-100 milligrams per day. The smaller doses like 2.5, 5, and 10 milligrams are for those with really mild hypertension.

For people like me who take oral Minoxidil to treat Androgenetic Alopecia, we feel fine if we don't suffer from hypertension; however, for someone who takes it for hypertension, they will feel a difference. Minoxidil treats both Androgenetic Alopecia and BP. It's basically the same principle with the 5-alpha-reductase inhibitors, they treat both Androgenetic Alopecia and BPH. Let's use ourselves as an example: we take the 5-alpha-reductase inhibitors for our Androgenetic Alopecia, and we notice the difference with our hair. With our Prostate, we don't notice anything because it's fine; however, someone who is taking a 5-alpha-reductase inhibitor for BPH, then they'll feel the difference with their prostate.

I have read about Minoxidil possibly lowering the production of collagen synthesis, I'm not sure if that's true or not. If it's true, then perhaps taking collagen supplements would be of benefit?

Repped. This kind of detailed analysis will help newbies and also it's good to hear personal experience. I was aware of this information. Let me clarify a little. My worry in a nutshell is oral minoxidil is not FDA approved for hair loss. So yes, while finasteride is shrinking our prostate by 15-20%, it's approved for both BPH and male pattern baldness. I put a lot of emphasis on FDA approval. If only there was a trial for this purpose. I know a thai doctor verified it but it's still not the same as a double blind case control trial.

Even though it's a low hypertensive dose, you never know long term what's going on. If I get desperate I'll do it and go against everything I've learnt.

I think some people already take collagen supplements even with a topical. In the trial it was a high daily oral dose, but with continued (for life) Minoxidil who knows if it can affect us too even at a low dose.

I can't find the trial I want just yet where it was given orally but found these:

http://www.jprasurg.com/article/0007-1226(95)90147-7/abstract

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7672621

Basically the first thing people think about collagen is getting poor skin, first thing on my mind from my learning was wound healing. I know one trial is on a rabbit but the fact they were contemplating using minoxidil to reduce scarring post surgery, says a lot. Collagen is essential for a scar to form, if it overheals it causes nasty scars but you get the point. Not to mention I'm 29 but look mid 20's most say and really good skin, don't want poor skin just yet.

I still may go for it.

 

[erikfritz]

I take 10 mg of oral Minoxidil daily. I've been taking it for only two weeks, I haven't suffered any side effects. My hair is still a bit thin, though is starting to feel thicker, stronger, and healthier. I think taking doses of 10 mg and below of oral Minoxidil is far too low to cause any oedema, especially in the long term. I have not experience any dizziness, light-headedness, swelling of hands and feet, chest tightness, rapid heart beat, nothing. I used topical Minoxidil for a while and never got any side effects, so I assumed that maybe I can take Minoxidil orally without any side effects as well, and that seems to be the case. About BP, I think you can even take up to 20 mg and still have little effect on it. People who take oral Minoxidil for BP usually take like 50-100 milligrams per day. The smaller doses like 2.5, 5, and 10 milligrams are for those with really mild hypertension.

For people like me who take oral Minoxidil to treat Androgenetic Alopecia, we feel fine if we don't suffer from hypertension; however, for someone who takes it for hypertension, they will feel a difference. Minoxidil treats both Androgenetic Alopecia and BP. It's basically the same principle with the 5-alpha-reductase inhibitors, they treat both Androgenetic Alopecia and BPH. Let's use ourselves as an example: we take the 5-alpha-reductase inhibitors for our Androgenetic Alopecia, and we notice the difference with our hair. With our Prostate, we don't notice anything because it's fine; however, someone who is taking a 5-alpha-reductase inhibitor for BPH, then they'll feel the difference with their prostate.

I have read about Minoxidil possibly lowering the production of collagen synthesis, I'm not sure if that's true or not. If it's true, then perhaps taking collagen supplements would be of benefit?

Hey Agustin, any updates?
I recently posted a thread asking if Loniten (Oral Minoxdil) is worth it.

I'm looking for some thickness on the crown and on the frontal area, and I'm already ont the big 3.

I'm considering to add 5mg of Oral minoxidil to my regime for a short period (no longer than 8 months).

What do you guys think?

 

[Agustin Araujo]

Hey Agustin, any updates?

Oral Minoxidil didn't work very well for me. :laugh:

I took between 2.5-10 mg daily for a couple of months and it didn't do a whole lot for me but slightly darken the hairs between my eyebrows and upper cheeks. Also when I quit topical Minoxidil foam, after about a month and a half, my hair started feeling extremely thin and weak, and started shedding heavily. Then when I got back on topical Minoxidil, my hair felt strong again and shedding greatly reduced. I'm actually quite disappointed that oral Minoxidil didn't work well for me, I was expecting it to do better.

It's not that I don't think oral Minoxidil is effective, it's just that it didn't work well for me at treating my male pattern baldness. I experienced no cardiovascular side effects. Yes, oral Minoxidil works quite well for some people, though it won't for everyone just like with any medication. My point is, using Minoxidil orally for hair loss doesn't guarantee that you're going to get good regrowth.

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If you decide to get on oral Minoxidil, and you're genuinely a good responder at 5 mg daily, you should get good regrowth. If you do respond well at 5 mg daily, you'll need to stay on it for as long as you want to keep the regrowth. People have actually reported that when they switch the treatment from oral to topical to maintain regrowth, instead of maintaining, they started losing ground.

 

[erikfritz]

Oral Minoxidil didn't work very well for me. :laugh:

That sucks, mate.

I'll talk to my doctor as soon as possible and start taking it.

My biggest concern is if I'll be able to maintain the hairs that regrowed after quiting the Oral minoxidil, because I don't want to take it for more than a year.

Cheers guys.

 

[zdm632]

My biggest concern is if I'll be able to maintain the hairs that regrowed after quiting the Oral minoxidil, because I don't want to take it for more than a year.

Cheers guys.

No, you wouldn't maintain the gains when quitting oral minoxidil.

 

[erikfritz]

No, you wouldn't maintain the gains when quitting oral minoxidil.

Even staying on finasteride?

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Do you still taking Loniten? How is it going? Any improvement?

 

[massa]

@Agustin I don't think you give treatments enough time to work. For Loniten to even show effectiveness in scalp hair you would need to take it for a minimum of six months, plus 5mg is probably too low a dose for hair regrowth even topical rogaine (5%=50mg) would have a systematic effect of over 5mg as some of course gets absorbed systematically. Usually doses of oral 20mg or upwards will cause positive benefits to your hair, however you should check your health before taking this dose.

 

[Agustin Araujo]

@Agustin I don't think you give treatments enough time to work. For Loniten to even show effectiveness in scalp hair you would need to take it for a minimum of six months, plus 5mg is probably too low a dose for hair regrowth even topical rogaine (5%=50mg) would have a systematic effect of over 5mg as some of course gets absorbed systematically. Usually doses of oral 20mg or upwards will cause positive benefits to your hair, however you should check your health before taking this dose.

I've already been battling male pattern baldness for over half a decade and I'm only in my early twenty's. I have grown extremely impatient to giving treatments time after taking so much care of my hair only to keep losing hair and receive almost nothing in return. As you're probably aware, I've been dealing with male pattern baldness since mid 2009 and I didn't know about the 5-AR inhibitors until late 2014. When I was 18 and 19, I went to several different doctors even with one of them being a hair transplant surgeon, and asked them what I could do treat my male pattern baldness when I was still in the earliest stages of hair loss. All of them told me that the best options available is topical Minoxidil and LLLT, I was never told anything about Dutasteride or Finasteride.

So for a while, I just used topical Minoxidil and LLLT for 3+ years to 'camouflage' my male pattern baldness by slowing down the rate at which I was balding, and just accepted that's the way it was. Then in 2014 when my male pattern baldness started kicking in really hard and had a ton of inflammation and could start seeing my scalp, then I got really bothered and started researching if there were any other and better treatments. Then I found out about the 5-alpha-reductase inhibitors and how strong they are at treating male pattern baldness.

One of the reasons why I got on Dutasteride without giving Finasteride a try is because my male pattern baldness is extremely aggressive, and that I've already lost more that 50% of density on the top of my head. I am also using 100 mg of RU58841 once daily because of the extent of my hair loss. I am for sure my hair would have done incredibly well only on Finasteride if I was told or knew about the medication when my hair loss was still in the earliest stages. At this point, I don't even know how much I will recover because I've already lost a lot of hair.

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If I ever decide to give oral Minoxidil another try and need to take more than 10 mg daily, I'll need to do so under the super vision of a medical professional since I find doing the treatment alone at higher doses too risky. For now, I'm just going to stick with using topical Minoxidil especially that I know for a fact that the medication helped with my hair loss a lot without a DHT inhibitor for years.

 

[zdm632]

So are you saying that for you, topical minoxidil works better than oral one? IT is quite unusual, oral is much stronger, and certainly when switching from topical to oral there's a shedding phase, i had it(but was not too visible because i keep my hair very short), and maybe you didn't wait past that.
And i don't think there's need for more than 10 mg daily. I take only 5 and it surely is better than topical.

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Even staying on finasteride?

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Do you still taking Loniten? How is it going? Any improvement?

1)Yes, even staying on finasteride, because minoxidil has a different mechanism of action from finasteride.

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Yes i do. There is certain improvement compared to how it was when i was applying topical, but what matters to me is that the hair is maintaing very well. That is my goal anyway. If it stays the same, i am very glad, because i can't apply that stuff to my head any more(been sick of doing it for 6 years).
Topical hairloss treatments are such a pain in the *** on long-term, you get tired of the hassle.
And...never mind i was feeling strange (dizzy, tired, etc) after applying topical, now i don't feel anything when taking the pill.

 

[Vindiesel11]

Any updates ?